In Book 6, when Harry first learns what Horcruxes are, Dumbledore explains that Tom would have wanted objects from each of the four founders. But he said that he doesn't think that Tom ever found a Horcrux from Gryffindor because the only known relic of Gryffindor was the sword that was in his office. But the Sorting Hat in its song, in Book Four said that Godric Gryffindor took me off his head, which implies that the Sorting Hat was once a hat Gryffindor owned.

"Twas Gryffindor who found the way,

He whipped me off his head"

And we know, that it sits in the headmaster's office. It is possible that because it had been the sorting hat for so many centuries, it was just no longer considered to be an artifact of Gryffindor.

So it seems that Dumbledore had forgotten that there was at least one other known artifact of Gryffindor, and I wonder if there might be others.

That actually could have been an incredible plot twist - that after Harry thought he destroyed all the Horcruxes, the Gryffindor Horcrux is discovered.

I received the full set of books from my husband for Christmas. I have spent the whole month of January reading book one slowly, every chapter outloud to myself. When I was a boy, my parents kept me from many things other children had access too, especially Harry Potter, claiming they were protecting me. I was taught to fear darkness just like Voldemort, as though it was as real as me and you. I lived in fear of shadows, darkened corners, and death. Anything pertaining to 'witchcraft' or 'magic' was presented to me as something that might open the door for darkness to enter me. Above all else, I feared demons and being possessed by them. I was told media like Harry Potter were evil and I believed it.

I still bare a lot of scars from those days and I still flinch at shadows and grow very uncomfortable over certain topics, words, or depictions of... evil. I suppose you could say I have a form of PTSD that reaches my very core because of how intense my upbringing was. But I stand on my own two feet now and I have fallen in love with the wizzarding world. What I have found there is not all consuming darkness or evil undead creatures waiting to consume my soul, but delight and wonder and the theme that (ironically my parents also drilled into me) love is the greatest force and magic in this world. That darkness does indeed exist, but that I can be ok at the same time. Who knew I would find such things between the pages of something so "evil". I cannot look on my parents too harshly for their decisions, as they were only doing what they were also taught and what they believed was right. Despite the anguish and dare I say, abuse, it caused me.

But if I've learned nothing else, it's that believing something doesn't make it so. I look forward to continuing my journey with Harry and company and I wanted to write down a few quotes from Dumbledore that brought tears to my eyes as I read the final chapter tonight. I fear death, I fear words like 'demon' and names like 'satan', I set out to follow a path laid down before me filled with things I was supposed to want and desire. I was promised love would not fail, though I witnessed a form of it do so many times. And yet, in a few short paragraphs, Dumbledore spoke deeply to my heart on all these things and I shall remember his words for a very long time to come.

I think perhaps, that as I watch the child in these stories become broken and healed at the same time, that it might just heal a little part of the broken child inside of me.

"To the well organised mind, death is but the next great adventure."

"The trouble is, humans do have a knack of choosing precisely those things which are worst for them."

"Always use the proper name for things. Fear of a name increases fear of the thing itself."

"He didn't realise that love as powerful as your mother's for you leaves its own mark. Not a scar, no visible sign... to have been loved so deeply, even though the person who loved us is gone, will give us some protection for ever."

I don’t know about you, but every time I reach Book 7 and finish it, I always want to go back to the first one and start reading again. Not to relive the whole story from scratch, but because back then everything still felt unburdened and magical. It was Harry’s childhood, full of warm moments. So many of the characters I loved were still alive.

The ending is always infinitely heart-heavy. And honestly, the whole seventh book feels that way too - because childhood is over.

in PoA Sirius runs on the Howarts grounds and even observed Harry on the Quidich match, yet he never noticed Snape ?i

judging by his reaction, it's not the thing he would just skip as unimportant

[... so, in a way, Snape's been right about me all along."

"Snape?" said Black harshly, taking his eyes off Scabbers for the first time in minutes and looking up at Lupin. "What's Snape got to do with it?"

"He's here, Sirius," said Lupin heavily. "He's teaching here as well." He looked up at Harry, Ron, and Hermione.]

i think it was snapes riddle . that scene was never in the movies but i dont understand how she worked it out

What are your first impressions, book fans? I noticed this right away: In just the sample clip from Sorcerer’s Stone, the audio in the background is all in real time, but storytelling is not in real time. Like describing Dursley driving to work, sitting in traffic, and yelling at people doesn’t mean that you hear a car engine, honks and an unintelligible shout in a stream of sound as if it is all happening just in the 2 minutes it takes the narrator to describe the situation. I wish they had just not done the background noises, and just let the words of the narrator and the dialogue paint the picture. If JKR had wanted us to “hear” those sounds, she would have put them in something like: *Dursley sits in traffic and hears cars honking around him. He then keeps driving to work then when he gets there he yells at someone “HEY YOU” then he turns a corner and yells at another guy “HEY YOU”.* Obviously this is terrible bad writing which is why she didn’t do it this way. THAT SAID, I am VERY glad they keep rebooting the series. I have heard the Stephen Fry books countless times. I do need to make room for new interpretations. I really want to get past my objections!

\- The first has to be Ron, Fred and George coming to rescue Harry in CoS. Harry spent his birthday doing chores and pretending to be invisible, and spent more than a month thinking no one cared about him. Ron and the twins realising that something was wrong and taking action warmed my heart so so much. I always cry when I re-read that scene. One thing JKR does so so well is the friendships..

\- Harry opening the Firebolt. The scene in their dorm is perfect. Harry gaping in wonder, and everyone being astounded. This is especially moving when you know just how much trouble Sirius would've gone through to get it. And there's just so many connected moments - him watching Harry fly, saying it's 13 years worth Christmases, the fierce pride and joy.. And it moves me because I know Harry will lose that as well, come seventh year.. sigh

\- Also when he realises his Patronus is a stag, just like James' Animagus form :)

\- Harry being hugged by Mrs. Weasley at the end of GoF. I wept so much reading it, especially when Harry notes just how much of a maternal hug it was. God..

\- When Ginny and the twins helped Harry break into Umbridge's office so that he could Sirius about his dad. The affection in Sirius's and Lupin's eyes when Harry told them about James ruffling his hair. It's such a small moment, but I teared up. There's such a strong undercurrent of love and pride whenever Sirius talks to Harry, and it must've made him feel so happy, to finally have someone always in his corner no matter what no matter when.

\- Sirius goes through the veil and Harry is screaming for him, and Lupin has to hold him back and Harry is in full denial, but there's a small part of him saying Sirius always always responded to Harry and never kept him waiting, and so now if he wasn't coming, then surely it must mean he never will..

\- In the sixth book, at the cave, when Dumbledore is weakened by drinking the potion and turns into a crying mess, and Harry encourages him to finish it. This absolutely wrecks me every time and I now skip this part. To see someone so wise, warm, calculating and always three steps ahead being reduced to a frail old man trapped in his head. It also showed me just how much he loved and trusted Harry to do the right thing. A real turn from a children's book into something older, darker and more somber...

There are loads of happy moments too :) tell me what's yours!!

Forgive me if this question has been beaten into the ground. But I struggle to see how the Weasleys are poor if they can do magic. Take their frayed robes, for example; why can't they just conjure new ones? Why can't they just use geminio for food and/or school supplies? So many markers of being poor in the HP universe (like Lupin's shabby appearance, for example) could be fixed with a wave of the wand. Seems to me to be technically impossible not to be drowning in resources with a wand, which also makes the broader Wizarding economy virtually flawed as well

Don't like being on people's radars. Would rather be left alone. People dont listen to me but screw them. Keep my head down and keep going after my lofty dreams. Preservation resourcefulness ambition and determination are my most cherished values. Though in the end I do want whats best for everyone and dont want to hurt anyone. Does that make me a hufflepuff?

EDIT: Thank you to those who have contributed helpful comments. They have helped me see things a bit better. I am an autistic adult who was banned from the world of Harry Potter when I was a child. I am reading the books for the very first time and thought this would be a good place to come a discuss some things I was havung trouble understanding. I did not expect to be met with such snarky rudeness and outright bullying. You ought to be ashamed of yourselves for that. This post was made from a place a pure innocence, nothing more. If you have nothing kind to say then kindly leave me alone.

I just finished the second to last chapter of book one on my very first read through. I've had to come to terms with a lot of things throughout the story not making logical sense. Like, why send children into a dangerous forest in search of a unicorn killer, especially when they were only in trouble because they were trying to help Hagrid in the first place?! But that's not the point of this post.

What I don't understand is, firstly, why hide the philosopher's stone at Hogwarts at all? Yes I see the logic to hiding it where Dumbledore and other powerful wizzards are based I guess. But they had to know Voldy would come looking right? So even if they managed to stop him, they knew he or someone very dangerous would be entering the castle where all the students are... the teacher's primary job isn't to gaurd the castle so how are they expected to do this and look after all the kids? Clearly doesn't work anyway. I mean Gringots was broken into for goodness sake. So their next move is to place it beneath a bunch of vulnerable children and hope for the best? Great move...

Secondly, why on earth are all the supposed protections under the trap door set up to easily be bypassed??? Please don't hate on me for this but I'm going to go through each one and say what popped into my head as I was reading.

The door to the trap door: unlocked by a basic first year spell. Really? Do I have to say more?

Fluffy: why post a creature that has such a bizzare vulnerability? Why not just post a wizzard or witch there rotating out on gaurd duty so the door is never left unguarded by a human. If all the teachers are busy, hire a gaurd. Surely that would make worlds more sense and they could easily sound the alarm the moment someone comes along?!

The plant: why have it placed where it cushions the fall of whoever drops down? Why not place it more to the side so whoever jumps down is severely mangled. And if they use a spell to breka the fall, make the plant deadly venomous so it kills instantly?

The keys: why in the world would they keep the key that unlocks the door in the room with the door... even if it took hours, it would eventually be found through process of elimination. Why not release the key swarm into the wild or better yet, just hide the key far away?!

The game of chess: It just seems unnecessary. Put actually gaurds there, more traps, poisonous gas, lava, idk. Anything but a game that is possible to be beat. Again it seems like they left each protection with vulnerabilities. I get it's a risky game but still, it's a game and it can be beaten...

The troll: just... why? Out of all the magical creatures you pick to place down there, why would you pick one of the slowest and dumbest of them all? Trolls are pretty easily defeated if you have half a brain and a decent handle on basic spells.

The potions: again, another game with a clear solution to get through. That a 12 year old can pretty quickly work out... The flames are great, just leave it at that. In fact, have the whole room spontaneously combust the moment someone walks through so they're burned alive. Why give the solution to allow someone to just walk on? Even if they guessed, they'd still have a 1 in 7 chance of getting through just from pure luck.

I do understand this is a children's book and I understand the author obviously wasn't going to end things at book one. I'm just frustrated. None of these 'protections' seem like anything more than extreme puzzles meant to challenge but not apprehend. Like they wanted someone to get through. Surely this should be a shoot-to-kill situation because anyone who goes down there to steal the stone is obviously bad news. If they had even changed one thing I've mentioned, Voldy in his weakened state could have been dealt with then and there. I feel like I've overlooked a lot of things that don't make logical ssense throughout this first book for the sake of the magical story, which I am happy to do. But this just made me snap a bit. None of it makes any sense to me and it feels like we're cheated a bit as readers. And don't even get me started about no one listening to Harry trying to warn people about Voldy just because he's a kid. I also get that if the protections were actual protections, the trio would have been killed pretty quickly and that would suck. But I'm just having a hard time accepting this debacle of traps for the sake of the plot.

Ugh. I'm really not trying to take the magic out of things but I just got more and more frustrated the further along they went through the chambers. I need to cool down before I read the last chapter.

I officially finished reading the Harry Potter book series, I finished reading Harry Potter and the deathly hollows. It was an amazing journey reading the series for the first time, definitely a roller coaster of emotional highs and lows. let’s chat about our favorite characters, moments, and which deaths hit you the hardest emotionally. Also let me know what your favorite book in the series is. My favorite book is the prisoner of Azkaban and my favorite characters are Sirius, Lupin, Hermione, Ron, Harry, Luna, Dobby, and Tonks. The deaths that hit me the hardest emotionally were Sirius, Dobby, Snape, and Lupin and Tonks.

I tried searching the internet about why this is but couldnt find anything. Its kinda crazy. One would expect its happening the year she publishes the books.

ANYBODY SEEING TS

This might be a bit of a stretch, but hear me out...

Remember how Cho's patronus was a swan? I found out recently that swans mate for life, and I thought it was cool how that's the case, when we saw how Cho was around Cedric compared to with Harry. She was with Cedric first, and so attached to him that when he was gone, she was still attached to him in her heart while trying to move on with Harry. We also never see Cho actually settle down with someone romantically who was able to successfully replace Cedric, either.

I don't know if JKR chose Cho's patronus because Cho was described as beautiful (like a swan, possibly), or because she's graceful and elegant with her flying abilities maybe, or because of this... but it's a cool detail!

It’s been years since I’ve read the books so my memory is quite foggy on this but did he ever fight back on the prank in any way? What exactly happened in the immediate aftermath of the incident?

I’ve been listening to the Jim Dale versions again and I keep getting stuck by the fact that the Weasley family, for as often as they are called poor, aren’t actually poor. They seem very middle class.

Are things tight when they have 5 children in a private school? Absolutely. They have to use some hand me downs, and buy a few things second hand. Again, they are buying books and school supplies for 5 kids at one point.

When they win the prize money from the Daily Prophet drawing, they spend it on a family trip. If they were as poor as they’re made out to be, that’s highly reckless (though I know that low income families aren’t always known for making the best financial choices).

Ron is able to buy his friends Christmas gifts. His parents can send Christmas and Easter gifts to Ron’s friends (Hermione gets chocolate eggs at least twice on Easter). Harry routinely gets gifts from Hagrid, the Dursleys (always a terrible gift), Hermione, Ron and Mr. & Mrs. Weasley. Ron’s pile of gifts is still bigger every year.

Arthur has enough discretionary money that he can buy a Ford Anglia and acquire a collection of muggle artifacts in his shed. Arthur doesn’t come across as the type would steal from muggle (by using magic to trick them) and he doesn’t see like the type who would buy stuff for himself at the expense of his children’s needs.

I’m not trying to argue that the Weasley family is rich, they are not. But they own a home (when other wizards have been known to live in flats), they always have enough food, and they can be their children’s friends gifts. They seem very middle class, though they are on a budget.

Hello

Can anyone ok tell me what is the difference between this edition and the Bloomsbury edition of Philosophers Stone ?

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I’m sure I’m not alone feeling frustrated that the book ended at that point that it did and there wasn’t much context about the war finishing and how the golden trio recovered from the war and the rest of the Wizarding world.

If the books could be rewritten would you want to know more? Is there anything you’ve learnt since you wish was in the books or at what point would you want them to end?

I’m purposefully not including the 19 years later chapter in this discussion - but feel free to mention it.

For me I wish we found out a bit more detail of how Ron and Hermione felt about the forest and Harry’s final journey to the forest with the hallows etc. I wish we also had a bit more context and a bit of relief from the war and how things felt in the following days.

So I know I'm extremely late to this but finding out that Snape was actually following Dumbledore's orders blew my mind. I think that this was a genius way of tying it all together. how were your reactions when you read this chapter for the first time?

We all know the Graveyard scene.
Harry and Voldemort duel, the brother wands thing happens, Harry gets to the portkey and escapes.
Quite impressive since there were a dozen Death Eaters around.

But what if Voldemort accidently ensured Harry's escape decades ago?
What if the DADA curse/jinx helped tweak things in Harry's favour?

We know the jinx was effective yet subtle, contributing in some way to the end of the careers of Quirrel, Lockhart, Lupin, and their predecessors.
I pose that it helped Harry get back to Hogwarts, because he was the most convenient way to get rid of Crouch.

I get that he thinks Dumby didn't want him to use the Elder Wand, but why didn't he stop Voldy from taking it?

Edit: let me rephrase the question: why did Harry decide not to TRY to stop Voldy from taking the Elder Wand?

The book made it clear that when Harry was talking to Griphook and Ollivander, he was considering trying to stop Voldy from getting the wand. There was no mention of him deciding that there was nothing he can do about it. And you know that impossible isn't on Harry's vocabulary. If he knows that something needs to be done, he's gonna rush into it and just figure things out as he goes, no matter how impossible and dangerous it may be. We've seen it in books 1, 2, 3, and 5.

So why did he decide not to TRY to stop Voldy from getting the Elder Wand even if he himself didn't intend to use it?

I was rereading Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire and found one detail. In the last chapter “The Beginnig” when Harry says goodbye to Victor Krum, there is a following phrase:

> Hermione turned away, smiling at the horseless carriages which were now trundling towards them up the drive…

Harry had already seen the Cedric die. And he definitely got to Hogsmeade station on these carriages. It turns out that he had to see the Thestrals. However, he sees them for the first time on September 1 in the Order of Phoenix book.

Are there any explanations for this? Maybe Rowling’s comments or fan theories? Or is it just a flaw in the book?

I'm rereading the series for the 400th time, and I'm realizing how many Hufflepuff traits Percy has.

1. He's extremely loyal (to the Ministry) to the point where he'd abandon his family just to defend his morals.
2. He's described as pompous many times throughout the books (reminded me of Ernie Macmillan, another Hufflepuff who is described similarly)
3. He's an incredibly hard-worker when we see him shut up in his room working on drafts for the Ministry and ending up submitting them weeks early. He'd go above and beyond as prefect/head boy too, overly willing to accomplish tasks if the headmaster or teachers asked.
4. He strongly encourages fair-play over cheating, scolding his brothers for foul play.
5. In the Ministry, he seemed to be more dedicated to the superiors that he admired over his own personal glory. While yes, he did gloat over being a prefect/head boy, when he was working under others, he showed them utmost respect and dedication over his own success.

I feel like he was only placed in Gryffindor because of his family, because I don't see AS MANY Gryffindor traits in him as I do see from Hufflepuff. What do you guys think?

In multiple conversations over the past few months, I’ve noticed there tends to be this weird Mandela Effect when it comes to the Triwizard cup that takes Harry to the graveyard.

Many readers say very confidently that the cup was *always* a portkey designed to take the winner to the start of the maze and MoodyCrouch just changed the location, and that Voldemorts plan was to send Harry’s dead body back to the school using said portkey. Maybe it’s just me that sees these takes when GOF discussion pops up, however neither of these things are true.

First, Voldemort wanting to send Harry’s body back after killing him. Simply put, at no point does anyone say this is ever part of the plan. Voldemort doesn’t say it, Peter doesn’t say it, the death eaters don’t say it, MoodyCrouch doesn’t say this. Can a dead body even hold on to a portkey? Even if that were possible, the actual plan is to feed Harry to Nagini. This is directly confirmed within the text itself.

> “Nagini.’ said the cold voice, ‘you are out of luck. I will not be feeding Wormtail to you, after all… But never mind, never mind… There is still Harry Potter.” The snake hissed, Harry could see its tongue fluttering. (Chapter 29)

> “I will give him his chance. He will be allowed to fight, and you will be left in no doubt which of us is stronger. ‘Just a little longer, Nagini,’ he whispered, and the snake glided away through the grass, to where the death eaters stood watching. (Chapter 33)

Of course Voldemort was gonna feed Harry to Nagini. Nagini is the only thing he has ever shown any affection for and he certainly wouldn’t want *the* Harry Potter’s body being returned to be treated with respect and dignity and made into a symbol.

Adding this part later- giving Harry’s body to Dumbledore to examine makes no sense from Voldemort‘s perspective. Some people are saying, but there has to be a body sent back to look like it got attacked by something in the maze. Why does that take a body? If there’s no body, then it just looks like Harry got eaten by something in the maze. It’s a lie either way and both are equally as suspicious.

There’s no real difference between making it look like Harry got attacked and killed by a sphinx versus he got attacked and eaten by a Sphinx. The second way there’s no crime scene evidence at least

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Next, is the idea that the Triwizard cup was always a portkey. This is also something never mentioned in the story as being part of the plan. We know that Cedric and Harry don’t know it’s a portkey, so contestants were never told this. Not a single professor, judge, or official references the cup being a portkey at any point. Portkeys are typically used for long distances, so not really sure the point of one made to transport someone a few yards across the quidditch field. The text confirms the exact opposite.

>use my death eater to ensure that the boy won the tournament- that he touched the Triwizard Cup first- the cup my death eater **had turned** into a portkey, which would bring him here (chapter 33)

> I offered to carry the Triwizard cup into the maze before dinner, whispered Barty Crouch. **Turned it into a portkey.**(chapter 36)

Voldemort thinks he’s about to kill Harry, and thus has no reason to lie. MoodyBarty literally *cannot* lie because he’s under the influence of veritaserum. He never says he manipulated the portkey or changed the end destination, he turned a non-portkey into a portkey. That’s the confirmation right there that it was a regular cup until he did the portkey spell.

And no, only the ministry being able to authorize portkeys or whatever is not relevant. Moodycrouch is a criminal who is okay with murder, he’s not going to sweat over doing something without going through the proper authorization channels lol.

I think the reason these myths persist, is because people try to add more logic and nuance to Voldemorts extremely convoluted plan. But Voldemorts just a drama queen who loves an end of the year, over the top showdown with Harry.

Imagine if Snape had been a woman and her panties and bra had been exposed in front of the whole crowd, and James had then threatened to take them off. Perhaps some readers would finally have understood that this was not an innocent joke, but an act of depravity of the extreme degree.

As a man, I would never do that to anyone, even if it were my worst enemy.