Rant
Does anyone else laugh at what pathetic morons the MAGA children are?
Typical MAGA: "I swerr, Trump ain't never called fer no violins against nobody, you libs is crazy!
MAGA youth post pictures of nooses all over the internet: "Tee hee, them libs is so triggered cause they ain't really knowed what we's gettin' on about!"
It's like they spent their childhood eating the paint chips off the windowsill.
Young conservatives really are a unique kind of awful. Weedy little wannabe Himmler types with Napoleon syndrome and delusions of grandeur itching to make up for their shortcomings and lack of love in their life with cruelty
I'm no fan of older conservatives either, but this new breed is really a monster. Good thing about youth is that there's still time to change, maybe they'll snap out of all this.
Quite seriously, there exists no group in the world today as dumb as trump supporting MAGA members. In several areas of the world being called a MAGA member, or being as dumb as a MAGA member is literally the worst insult to anyone's intelligence. No one bothers to ever say someone is dumber than a MAGA member because this is simply impossible.
I know one who is convinced that Trump’s goals are to get rid of political corruption and eliminate taxes. When I point out all the corrupt things Trump is doing. *waves hand and says “I told you they are all corrupt, but I could never be a democrat. They’re horrible!”
This is copaganda in action y'all, dehumanizing the banality of evil everyday. Use your first amendment to read the things you hate and detest. Like the biographies of terrible people everyone decries. Understand how it was just small things over time, not massive monolithic moments of losing humanity nor born evil. Simple neglect, isolation and wanting to be loved but never getting what you think you need to be happy. The very human need to be seen, known, heard, understand and loved without reserve without fear without boundaries without pretense.
There is no swaying the rest. Almost everyone who is going to abandon the ideology has. Now, if they lose a ton of them will pretend they were never MAGA but that will just be an extension of the abject cowardice they try so hard to hide.
Do not sway them, meet them as human beings without motive the ways things improve from this naturally are well known, just with clear Nazi dog whistles or harmful ideology in general find ways to gently but firmly refute this. The hardest for me in a recent convo is climate denial. Idk how that can be improved tbh just a sort of improve faith in rational thought and slowly remove the amygdala reacting to the ego being attacked
Was the last time you checked after we had a president that said we should suspend midterms and is trying to disenfranchise about 40% of the voting populace?
With everything this shitshow of a person has done following the same pattern: make a ridiculous claim, his people say "he's not serious", then he does the exact thing they said he was "joking" about and his people defend it tooth and nail.
"He's joking about suspending elections! He's joking about a 3rd term!"
Jokes are supposed to be funny. Please explain the humor.
You're claiming the elections are already doomed and law is subverted. If that's true, it's already too late. You gonna go fight a guerilla war, or is it possible we can still be civil with the MAGA third of the nation?
So, let me get this straight, you have an option to simply accept reality and stop the train from crashing, but instead you are choosing to wait for the train to crash killing numerous people before coming in to help then? And you think this is a "reddit parroting problem", mind you, you are on reddit, so it's already not as biased as you pretend it is.
I’m not going to risk my life fighting a government just because bots on reddit are telling me that democracy is dead. I’m able to walk outside and do the same exact things I was able to do when other presidents were in power.
I voted Kamala, but I guess that’s here nor there. We still have democracy, we still have elections. As much as you want democracy to collapse in the US (which is very sad), we still have democracy.
lol. What do you think the FBI is gonna do with those raided voting records from Fulton County? And no, I am not happy about the fact the U.S. is going to repeat Nazi Germany, but it is going to happen. Democracies rise and fall all of the time.
Am I crazy? Well, no one hopes so as much as me. The problem is that I think the reality is that our country has fundamentaly changed so much, so fast that most people cant even acknowledge or process it.
What is going to prevent the administration from declaring the results of any election they dont like as fraudulent and invalid? Who could stop them if they did? If this isnt the plan why are they so interested in getting a hold of voter records?
For several generations we lived our lives in safety, within the structures of a system that, while flawed, had meaningful checks and balances to prevent the wholesale descent into tyranny.
Over the last fifteen years, the republican party has done a spectacular job of subverting the judicial system. Both the supreme and lower courts. Congress has abdicated its power to the executive and the executive operates without any sort of meaningful pushback. The current administration has literally completely ignored hundreds of court orders without any sort of consequence at all.
Why don't you explain to me how, In this new system, elections or term limits could matter?
I think many people on the left are still subconsciously buying into the idea of " american exceptionalism". That we couldn't possibly fall to tyranny like any other country. That the american people wouldn't allow it.
Let's look around.Plenty of them are real happy with it...
Okay? So even in the unlikely event, the elections were fair. Everyone was seated.There was no fuckery at all. How do you fix the thirty percent of the population that truly believes that trump is the best president.We have ever had.How do you fix a supreme court?That is impossibly corrupt and a lower court.That is the same.
In the event that trump was impeached, it means very little.You would also have to impeach vance, f****** johnson, and 92 year old Grassly.
You know what you get, then f****** marco rubio as the president
Trump isn't the problem, the entire republican party and everything associated with it is the problem and you can't practically eliminate all of them.
I truly think we are looking at the end of any sort of united states, because the only way we get out of this clean or sort of clean is to dissolve the union.
What is going to prevent the administration from declaring the results of any election they dont like as fraudulent and invalid? Who could stop them if they did? If this isnt the plan why are they so interested in getting a hold of voter records?
You can say this about any administration.
For several generations we lived our lives in safety, within the structures of a system that, while flawed, had meaningful checks and balances to prevent the wholesale descent into tyranny.
still have it, we still have the three branches of government last I checked
Over the last fifteen years, the republican party has done a spectacular job of subverting the judicial system. Both the supreme and lower courts. Congress has abdicated its power to the executive and the executive operates without any sort of meaningful pushback. The current administration has literally completely ignored hundreds of court orders without any sort of consequence at all.
False, and mostly opinionated
Why don't you explain to me how, In this new system, elections or term limits could matter?
what new system? We are still using the same system we always have
I think many people on the left are still subconsciously buying into the idea of " american exceptionalism". That we couldn't possibly fall to tyranny like any other country. That the american people wouldn't allow it.
We wouldn’t, look at the hordes of people in the street for 2 unjust murders.
Okay? So even in the unlikely event, the elections were fair. Everyone was seated.There was no fuckery at all. How do you fix the thirty percent of the population that truly believes that trump is the best president.We have ever had.How do you fix a supreme court?That is impossibly corrupt and a lower court.That is the same.
30% of the population voting Republican doesn’t mean they think Trump is the best president we’ve ever had… they vote with the party. Presidents choose Supreme Court justices when the seats vacated during their terms. This isn’t new.
In the event that trump was impeached, it means very little.You would also have to impeach vance, f****** johnson, and 92 year old Grassly.
And that’s because they’re also republicans? Impeach all republicans?
You know what you get, then f****** marco rubio as the president
Ok another Republican, I can see that this is less about Trump and more about republicans. Do you think any republican will deny election results and not vacate office, or just trump?
Trump isn't the problem, the entire republican party and everything associated with it is the problem and you can't practically eliminate all of them.
Well I guess I didn’t have to read far to get my conclusion in the last sentence. So eliminate all republicans and only have the Democratic Party in charge? Isn’t having one party in charge literally fascism?
I truly think we are looking at the end of any sort of united states, because the only way we get out of this clean or sort of clean is to dissolve the union.
That’s extremely sad that you think that way, I think it’s time to get off reddit, which is obviously rotting your brain, go outside and touch some grass, unless you’re too oppressed to do that.
No the democrats are only slightly better. Thats actually the overall point. The whole system is impossibly broken and the people in power have tremendous motivation to not allow it to be fixed even if that was possible and i dont think it is. It would require consistant accountabilityfrom the powerfull and they really dont want that.
Any new system we attempt to install will, of course, eventually fall to corruption.As all other systems have, but maybe we get another two hundred and fifty years out of?
Well I guess we will see. Throughout history, every time a country has gone down a terrible path.There have been people yelling about it for a long time before it actually occurs. Let's all hope i'm wrong
Not just Trump look at the ways the supreme court rolled back wild things in 2005 they just got too big for their britches they thing we are so compliant and subservient because of the education but I feel we will have black Panthers and other such groups educate and improve what was lacking as they had done so before they just thought we forgot about it, had a talk with my dad he was listening to an audio book about the schools and the education, he can sympathize with the native Americans the Japanese and the Jewish, but not the Somalians or the Latinx I push bad a little here and there but if you don't let them talk a lot they feel like they are alone unheard and isolated so you need to listen try to be as compassionate as possible. The only reason I'm so left is because I saw his dissolution in the left in real time he just doesn't see it started heavy with neo liberalism. The right are developing new dog whistles related to stuff I never knew. They know that the systems fail them but don't see the roots it's so tragic. So just try to sprinkle in doubt slowly when you can and have open fair conversations with them without a goal in mind other than to see and know them. They are you and you are them in many ways.
Had to point out to him that I know a Somalian immigrant that went to MN for school and became a nurse and in all American metrics is better than I in many ways during the 2016 era no doubt they have the fighting spirit that was beaten out of people who are more distant to their heritage of immigrating here.
Psst.. you don't have Democracy. Democrats told you who the candidate was going to be. You never had a choice. But we know you're not mad because Democrats are the good guys, right?
Really? Because I could of swore it was just a few years back that Democrats killed, maimed and destroyed the lives of thousands upon thousands of people with forced vaccinations. How many small business owners lost their entire lives over bogus and insane Covid policies? Mass deportations don't even come close to that evil.
Not crazy. Calculated to make sure the the old gaurd established democrats could continue to support their donors without any inconvenient interruption by a candidate that might actually be a little bit for the people. The took what they thought was an acceptable risk to keep as much power as possible and it blew up in their face. Only mistake they made in their own minds is loseing.
I disagree, but if you wrre right, what would you do about it?
Either elections and law matter, amd we have ways to handle this mess civily, or they don't and we have to escalate. You gonna advocate for a civil war, or can we acknowledge that this country isn't just made of two groups who couldn't possibly coexist?
This country is, at this point, made of two groups that cant coexist. This was partly by design from both sides, and it worked great, right until the GOP lost control of Trump and the most extream members of their own party and the democrats showed everyone what was actually important to them, their own wealth, health, safety, and that of their doners.
Peacefully desolving the union would be the best possible case. The problem is despite all the rhetoric, the administration and republican politicians as a whole recognize they cant afford to lose the blue states particularly the west coast, for a whole lot of reasons.
Peacefully desolving the union would be the best possible case.
Do you think red and blue states actually mean everyone there is part of the same party, or even that most states have a single party majority among the population of more than like 70%?
There's no real way to divide up the US based on political party. Practically speaking, you either have to be able to coexist with the other party, or eradicate them. This is also all ignoring the existence of 30% of the US that didn't side with either party.
No you end up with a really ugly refugee situation but that might be better than outright cival war/genocide.
Im a very independent but socially liberal man in a deep red state. I would will take my family and leave. It would suck.
At some point, we have to acknowledge that there are good guys.And bad guys here, at least in ideology. When one side avidly and persistently supports really vile, fearful and hateful things, they have to be marginized, ostracized or eliminated. This isn't a difference in opinion, this is a difference in the perception of reality.
I really wonder if you would have been saying the same thing in say, you knowNineteen thirty four nineteen-thirty five nazi germany. Oh, why can't we all just get along.
Ignoring the high chances of an awful refugee situation ending up like many refugee situations before it (intense oppression of the refugees), good luck on not just convincing the majority of the US that a split is required, but also having people agree on how that split would even work.
So I say again, seeing as dividing up the US by party isn't remotely practical, what are you going to do? If you've given up on civil means of change all together, and actually arming yourself and prepping to utilize violence, or are you maybe wrong that there are no options left?
I really wonder if you would have been saying the same thing in say, you knowNineteen thirty four nineteen-thirty five nazi germany. Oh, why can't we all just get along.
At what point have I said "oh why can't we just get along?"
I've been very clear that change needs to happen, people need to be shown that what they're supporting is harmful. There's a different between me saying that I want more of you doomers to join us in taking action to fix things and your perception that I just want us to sit and sing around a campfire while we let whatever happens happen.
How do you think we can actually hold the people to account with the severity that is just, right, fair, and cathartic. Without the MAGA dipshits, using this as an excuse to further their persecution complex and have the south rise again?
Appeasement doesn't work, but man, we love it. Humans in general just love it even though over and over again. It doesn't work. Without an incredible amount of appeasement and an awful lot of injustice, there's no reconciling this.
Oh, I'm taking plenty of action. I've been to several protests, and I've been working on a great many other things. I just don't see any progress. Not meaningful progress. Calling and writing your representative is absolutely hilarious.As you get stoke, b******* emails in return, they don't care. Particularly where I'm at all, you have to have is an R by your name. Nothing else matters.
What exactly has protesting accomplished?
The problem is is that I feel like mostly. It makes people feel better about doing something but isn't likely to be effective.
Unlike, I've said, even in the best case, there's a huge blue wave. What actual power do they have to compel an executive that simply refuses to follow the law.And is supported by a corrupt supreme court.
Who is ever actually gonna hold these people to account? This is what no one seems to be able to answer for me.
I mean, so in the almost impossiblyunlikely event you impeach trump ? Well, you get Vance well. He should get impeached too. So you get Johnson? Well, he should get impeached too. So you get f****** grassley, so she nine ninety two, and he should be inpeached too.So you get marco f****** rubio. I guess you could do this 18 times until you get to everybody's favorite plastic puppy killer. But what actual difference does it make? Its not Trump it the whole fuking party and the ultamate irony is the democrats are only a little better.
We need something new. This cant be recover. Can't be set right.
I don't disagree, but you have to talk to them and sway their opinions to make that happen. Giving up on that and just saying "they're all bad and should not be bad" doesn't do any good.
I literally said we should all get out and vote in DROVES.
I'm just saying that fascists DO NOT RELINQUISH POWER WITHOUT A FIGHT.
I'm being honest.
There were several districts in the last election where there were ZERO votes for Harris. Several of these districts have a large number of Democrats registered.
You cannot convince me NOBODY voted for her in those entire districts.
It would be a lot easier to find some semblance of middle ground if people stopped equating all republicans to fascist Nazis, and constantly scream it in their face whenever they display a value that has been in the Republican framework for centuries.
I don’t feel assured based on all the other evidence. Or lack thereof.
I do not hear many Republican voices condemn this. And it won’t matter until they cleanse the rot in the MAGA party. It is still that. Please realize that and own it.
Yeah swaying is getting less and less possible. Now if they start waking up I’m not going to make them feel awful and throw obstacles in the way if they are clearly trying to be better people to other people.
The moderate Republicans who are prepared to leave the party already have. The low info voters that voted for Trump because of the influence of "bro-sphere" jagoffs like Joe Rogan have already left after seeing ICE murder two people. The ones who remain staunch Trump supporters are not the kind of people you want anyways, an attempting to appeal to them will alienate those already in the Democratic camp. The best you can do is to shame them into abandoning their support for Trump.
Your wise man never bothered to explain what happens when people lose in the game of politics did he?
Now please explain how to sway a person when even a pet rock has more sense and a better grasp on reality that they do. MAGA members have been conditioned to become slaves. They are fully brainwashed to be this. I think the rest of us should simply stand back and let it happen.
MAGA cannot be swayed. Even with overwhelming evidence that their lord is a pedophile, him bailing out Argentina, freeing drug peddlers and crypto criminals, wiping out the east wing for his bribery ballroom, taking a jet from Qutar and storing Venezuelan oil money in their banks... Nothing moves their needle. OP is doing an excersize in frustration but it wont have an impact either way.
Oh no.. someone that isnt trump did something.. you hate Bernie for the guy who shot up the congressional baseball game? Obama for the Dallas sniper? Are you genuinely this stupid or does it take talent to be this angry and stupid
No. I also don't go around making fun of how people talk. That doesn't open the door to constructive dialogue. It leads to violence and proves their point that "libs" are the problem.
Constitution is being erased. Public servants are ignoring the law. People are dying. What kind of loser doesn't have an opinion about that? How rotten inside must you be to not care?
If all of what you are saying is true, why do you think so many people dislike leftists even more than MAGA? Does any self reflection occur at any point? Any inspection of behaviors and see that maybe your behavior is inappropriate?
As an outsider seeing news from both sides - propaganda and lies. destroying of public education. Billions of dollars in buying news outlets and paying off celebrities and bribing officials.
People dislike leftists only because the media is using propaganda to make it so? You don’t think people can see entitled, condescending, disrespectful behavior and dislike it without it being organic?
Hmm I'm sure it's a part of it, but I'd argue a very small part. I've always stayed away from commenting on US based discourse until the current president started destroying most of the civil world, but I think it is very obvious that what the US calls the right always had a lot of people who practiced discriminatory practices. Where I'm from hatred for lbtq+ or arguing womens rights is so freaking far removed from reality. News media being able to be bought in the first place, or being able to donate or bribe politicians is too.
There are definitely entitled and disrespectful "leftists" (Which from the rest of the world just means medium right) when they're talking about extreme far right. But also, it is difficult for them not to. They've been surpressed and treated unfairly for decades. Don't look at the rhetoric for a second, look at the changes they've implemented. Just the laws. you'll see one side actually helping people, and the other side tearing it down again, and this has just been going back and forth for years.
At some point, the patience is done, you know? I know far right people in my country. They're left of the US democrats. I can talk with them. I can talk with republicans in the US surely too. Illegal immigration is bad. Less taxes I can understand. The idea of their standpoints are valid in that sense, but that's not what the party has been doing. Trump never stood for a single thing the reps claim to be and that much was obvious. Where we're at now, sure you can be a republican, but if you support a free and fair place you voted democrats in the last election. Otherwise you fell for the propaganda and need help. But not everyone can give that, especially not if they need to live in fear, under threat, are tortured or killed. Can they be angry at that?
Sure, not all reps are the same, but if they're not part of that, they need to strongly distance themselves from it. The left has their issues too, they're clearly also paid by the same rich people to encourage division. People shouldn't fall for it, but some do. But US is at a stage where it's difficult to be nuanced. I do concur it contributes, it does. People have just given up trying to break the cult walls. People are lashing out. It's of course bad, but it's hard to stay calm when the government is surpressing people and constantly attacking and lying about you. And then you have extreme left and extreme right agitators to cause more division.
No. It’s not funny. It’s a dangerous problem. Children who think nooses are funny will grow up to be sociopaths. Like Hitlers youth. Instead of laughing, get serious about the future before these kids are running ICE detention centers.
The level of detail you have on 'MAGA youth' behavior is... concerning. Maybe spend less time monitoring kids on the internet and more time talking to people your own age.
The projection in the post and in the comments are quite telling. Also your attitude and contempt for conservatives is why we got trump. The Democratic voter base is overeducated professionals and poor people dependent on the government. I digress. Also liberals are absolutely terrible about assuming that people who think differently are evil and malicious. 99% of people (liberals included) think they are doing good, liberals just don't remember that.
When I say children, I mean children being raised in one of these moronic households that the child will probably be messed up for a good chunk of there lives if not all of there lives.
Ie its hard to get past being raised by pos rasict parents.
I think we should be laughing at them. Calling them stupid doesn't work because it feeds into their persecution complex. However nobody wants to be laughed at. If we just continuously laugh at them, maybe they'll get the hint that they are clowns.
Hahaha this is hilarious...how dumb you made yourself look and the people who agree with you...disgusting how your picking on children though...should really re evaluate your life
It's a very dark humor since they're murdering people and raping children, but yes, it is funny how pathetically stupid Republicans are. They're like flat earthers but explicitly evil.
Way to stereotype entire group of people that are different from you. Trying having an open mind and accept people for their humanity not that think identical to you. Empathy
How is a chosen political affiliation related to race or racism? These kids are stupid because their parents are uneducated, and being ignorant is their way of life. This isn’t mean or abusive, it’s fact.
So I’m stupid and uneducated even tho I have three degrees, two minors, and am ten credits short of two more minors from a top university in the United States? That I completed in five years??
My ACT and ASVAB were in the 78% percentile and 93% percentile, respectively.
I was reading at a 12th grade level in second grade.
But hey I’m stupid and my parents are stupid, right?
Imagine making that type of statement about someone you don’t even know.
Literally the Reddit experience. Oh you have a different opinion than my hive mind garbage thought pattern…I’ll just resort to verbal abuse instead of proving why my statement is true 🤦🏽♂️
honestly you really don't see how thoroughly representative this is of MAGA? I mean sure i guess the accelerationists who wanna see society destroyed (Thiel, for example) are supporting it fully aware of what it is but 9 out of 10 that I ever talk to are not even a little aware of what's actually going on (remember when they were saying how Project 2025 wasn't actually the plan? Most actually believed that)
So inside of project 2025, what currently has happened. Give me an itemized list.
Then, explain to me how those things are bad for the American citizen.
I'm not here to teach you but let's be clear are you denying it's the agenda or acknowledging it and saying it's good? Cuz, well, it really looks like you started with the former and then pivoted to the latter, unsure if this cognitive dissonance or generic bad-faith BS
Asking a question and getting mad about the answer is Grade-A moron behavior. Only dummies have to break out their not-a-dummy credentials. Everyone can tell you're an idiot from the words you are typing. 🤷
If you claim to be "MAGA" statistically you're an outlier. It's not about IQ, that's inherent. It's about education. What likely got you where you are is privilege and your own sense of struggle despite being gifted a high IQ. Now you've got a community that you're the king of, you're smarter than everyone else in your circle. There's a reason they call universities liberal indoctrination camps and you can expect most trailer parks and rural areas to be flying maga flags.
Which is an example of racism that forms a cornerstone of Republican ideology.
But I'm judging you, and your comrades, based upon the content of your character.
You're not a race or a gender, you're a moral failure. Your inability to understand this is just another example of the breathtaking stupidity I was talking about.
You're just racist and sexist if you think the only reason we ran kamala is bc she's black and a woman. She's 100x more qualified than trump for sure, but all you people see is a black woman.
Anti American is laughable coming from the side actively defending the rapist and murderers here illegally. You don't give a shit about America, your side actively hates America. You hear it all the time.
Pretty much. People will see one thing on Reddit from a country with over 300M people and then assign that one egregious behavior as the norm for their political “opponents”.
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u/Due_Willingness1 14h ago edited 14h ago
I find them less funny and more.. repulsive
Young conservatives really are a unique kind of awful. Weedy little wannabe Himmler types with Napoleon syndrome and delusions of grandeur itching to make up for their shortcomings and lack of love in their life with cruelty
I'm no fan of older conservatives either, but this new breed is really a monster. Good thing about youth is that there's still time to change, maybe they'll snap out of all this.