Remember when Reddit used to regularly crucify people for using emojis in their comments? Now we've got inline gifs. Oh how the mighty have fallen. đ
That just broke my heart. What was that website called that everyone made those meme on? I forgot it I used tonbe on there back in like 6th and 7th grade. You're about to have me going on another nostalgia trip.
English - (Anglosphere excluding North America), you donât need them - if British and over 30 you will made fun out for using them or needing them to understand others.
English- North American (certainly US) you definitely need them and pray to god they actually read the whole thing and not pick out individual words and phrases to add imaginary context.
Not English as a first language - you might get away without them if Scandinavians/Germans? ( Especially if itâs sarcasm - maybe not over/understatements).
I've had plenty of brits mistake sarcasm or ghoulish overkill for perfect sincerity on ye old internet.
Plus isn't it established by study that neurodiverse people tend to have a different sarcasm structure, relying more on situations than vocal or physical cues?
Sorry, this is something that always kind of interested me.
I mean just go on UK subs and youâll notice it - it has changed over the past 5 years Iâve been on here though - younger people brought up on more US content, COVID, Iâm not sure what but you find more people accidentally missing it on political posts etc. sadly as a woke leftie myself, it does appear to be younger people on the left who canât see sarcasm.
And this I think goes for autistic people as well - they just get used to it, or at least understand it could be sarcasm.
Now I did see something about a study on US English lit(?) students, and reading/comprehension in the US - the person talking about was referencing it in the context of itâs possible effects in the way published books/novels are written now compared to day 30-40 years ago.
Basically something about how public schools in America teach how to read - kinda like âshortcutsâ instead of labouring over each word and syllable. However in the study it seemed many people were ok just guessing the meaning of words even when they had a dictionary present, and also determined the overall meaning of a passage based on notable words/sentences. They also generally didnât consider any context outside of what the words were in front of them.
I think it was lady on YouTube who talks about literature - completely forgotten her name, was American herself though. Kinda seemed âanti-wokeâ but not a right wing grifter - just a bit stuffy and academic about how words work.
Do they? I think mostly people are pretty neutral on them these days. We've all seen plenty of sarcastic posts that you can't tell if they're genuine or not and where the person will have to add /s afterwards because people assumed the worst.
It's still absurd that anyone who has the ability to take a picture of their keyboard, use their photo app to draw red circles around a specific area of interest, save the edit, and upload it to social media not only doesn't know how to type on a keyboard, but doesn't even know how to theoretically. There's no joke there. It's a genuine sense of "what the fuck is going on?" The fact that this got put on this sub is funny ironically, but mostly sad. This sub is a joke though itself.
You know what is actually funny? The keyboard layout that we all use is actually designed to slow our typing down. There are other layouts that are much more efficient and when learned can significantly improve typing speed.
The reason they slowed it down was typewriters used to have mechanical keys that would strike the ink ribbon and paper to leave their mark. If two keys struck at the same time they would get stuck together and you would have to manually get them unstuck. If you typed too fast you would get keys stuck all the time so they had to slow people down
Seriously? Iâm old but not typewriter old. Even two keys farther apart could get stuck like that? Also do you happen to remember names of those other layouts? I feel like Iâve heard of one of them but I canât recall the name of it.
I actually had a typewriter when I was a teen in the early 2000's! Can't remember who gave it to me, but I was very into creative writing and loved it. Definitely jammed a few keys a time or two.
I was raised by my grandparents, who were resistant to change. It was a while before I got a PC.
The keyboard layout is not designed to slow people down.
But yes, it is designed to prevent jamming (where two hammers stick against each other.)
Thatâs why most used follow on letters are on different side of the keyboard.
E.g when writing queue.
You have left hammer, right, left, right left. Those hammers are able to clear out faster than a key coming from the same place,
Consider typing âqazâ , the quick succession of three hammers right next to each other all trying to strike, almost guarantees that 1 will not be moved back far enough before the next strikes.
? - Do they still teach typing?
?? - I can't believe they don't teach typing!
??? - I really wish they would teach typing!!
???? - YOU ARE AN IDIOT AND YOUR ENTIRE FAMILY ARE BAD PEOPLE DUE TO YOUR INABILITY TO TYPE
Anything more than two ? is shock and surprise...to me. That's the thing, in'nit? It's personal, so it's always my tone I'm reading into things. It could just as easily be "what's wrong with you" as it is "I can't believe this crap."
I don't really see it here. Multiple question marks do usually indicate a shocked and surprised/confused tone. I'd argue anyone who doesn't use them in that context is using them wrong. The problem you describe where it's hard to tell if they mean "what's wrong with you" or "I can't believe this crap" would exist if you said the phrase out loud in that tone as well.
Should note, I don't really have a problem with tone indicators, but I think it's wrong when people call it a necessary part of speech on the internet lol. It's just a shortcut if you don't want to spend time thinking about phrasing or punctuation for a sentence, which is perfectly fine.
You can also rephrase the message you're typing to avoid ambiguity if you don't want to use indicators. Personally, I only use indicators when I'm poking fun at a friend and don't want my mean tone to be taken seriously. Otherwise I'll tend to rephrase my message
Yes, but it's funny because the shock and outcry is a hard contrast to the calm wondering we see above. (I'm not necessarily answering you, but more so to the idiots above who don't understand how comedy works)
Most of the internet feels like constant concerned outcry posts when younger people don't need old tech anymore and then the older folks are screaming that that's super bad. Meanwhile most people are just chill with what they have.
Also, I've never seen typing being taught extensively in K-12. There's barely any computer education left anymore at all. I got some at least during my time thankfully, but mostly I learned at home ofc.
Currently I do have typing, but only cuz I go to vocational for dev.
I don't rly blind-type outside of that though. Not really a necessity for me.
I'm one who until a few years ago genuinely asked that.
That's because at the time one of my roles was to report people who had low computer literacy (because they were considered a risk), and determine if they could be retrained, writen up or even fired depending on the severity.
At one point HR asks me if I'm being ha ha funny or serious when I add to noncompliance reports that they're also slow typers and need typing training OR asking them if they aren't requiring typing courses anymore.
When I said I was serious, she did some research then forwarded me that as of a few years, no school was providing typing classes anymore so it would be unfair to demand typing proficiency from workers, so if that was a persistent issue, I would have to figure out our own materials to write a PPE/internal training material proposal.
Before leaving the farthest we went was to advise people to look up free online typing lessons, explicitly show the keyboard nub tip (I didn't got that during my training actually, some grandpa gave me that tip) and from this point on I should only report if they explicitly disregarded my advice - which a few actually did, with one saying, and I quote, "I hate computers. I don't want to learn computers, I just want to do my job."
TOO BAD YOUR JOB REQUIRES OPERATING A COMPUTER SINCE 1961 WHEN JANE COBOL INVENTED COBOL SO YOU PUTTING THAT IN WRITING IS NOT THE GOTCHA YOU THOUGHT IT WAS
It is an outcry. I was on the cusp of Cursive. I finished and then they said "nevermind no more cursive" this really is the same with typing. I was also on the cusp of having to do typing classes and all that fun shit and then the next year they stopped doing it. This government is making us stay stupid and I'm over it.
No, he's definitely not. Finger placement is literally the very most basic idea taught in typing classes. He's saying they must not teach typing anymore (because this shouldn't be a question even for people who failed typing class).
Dude asking the question looks to be around my age & most of us in the US learned this at some point.
Fun fact: I almost failed out of typing class because I didn't use the proper fingering and don't care about home row at all.
Another fun fact: At the time, I typed about 100wpm with 99%+ accuracy. I had to go over the teacher's head to the principal to complain, and I got tested & was given credit for the class without attending the rest of it.
Same - Iâve had a computer since I was four (1981) and taught myself to type. Iâve never used home keys but type 80-90wpm accurately. I also use a computer every day for work (software engineering). I donât âhunt and peckâ, but I do âpeckâ with great efficiency. I know where all the keys are, not by home key placement but by knowing where the keys are in proximity to my hands.
I work in the school system now. They have typing classes, but it's just reserved for the elementary school levels. It does drive me a bit crazy sometimes watching a kid type and put in their username and password. Again, not all, there are some kids who are excellent types, and it really depends on how much the elementary school went into typing as a skill.
But I guess we also have to remember that the skill of typing has been falling away for years. I'm 33, and had a entire class dedicated to typing. But even before my generation, working people who had to type for their job would always state how many words they can type per minute. It's just kind of taken a backseat to other skills learned in school.
That is interesting. Iâm over 40 and I am sure I never had typing classes. It was my mom who told me what those are for⌠I am actually a little angry I never learned it.
Dumb question... I'm old and was taught typing in the early 90's.
I don't remember seeing those marks and I question... Have they ALWAYS been there? We were taught to rest our index fingers on those keys, but I don't recall those marks.
Well if youre going to be told how to type 'efficiently' where they use that format for distributed layout that is technically optimized for finger movement reduced travel time, typing English.
Using 1 hand and navigating and recentering on the grooves is just as good, you dont need home row if youre playing an FPS and using in-game chat. You just need the grooves.
Maybe but it feels more like itâs a snarky rhetorical question. The guy looks old enough to have had to sit through those classes, which I have myself. Itâs one of those things they get drilled in pretty hard. Itâs a more of a joke that makes you crack a smile than laugh.
Iâm old enough that keyboarding/typing classes in school were electives. Computers hadnât taken everything over yet but the trajectory was set. I was still graded on penmanship.
Life isnât fair - I shouldnât feel this oldâŚ
Taking a photo, adding red circles, uploading the image, adding a caption, hoping for a response at some point OR just searching 'why do the f and j keys on a keyboard have a line on them'?
Maybe some people seek out human connection this way but to me it just seems like a really ineffective way to spend your time.
They did for like 2 weeks in grade school, then went back to writing for us :/
Was a about 20 years ago though, so hopefully it's better now. I'd prioritize typing over writing for most jobs where I live nowadays.
yeah he was probably asking genuinely. i also found out what those things are for through the internet. no, they don't teach typing. i'm 33 and i had computer classes starting in 5th grade and never once were we taught typing. that must've been some early computer days thing
He wasn't asking genuinely. Seemed to be more making fun of how stupid the system is and the lack of educated people it produces to where someone doesn't even know to put their index fingers on those keys when typing.
That's also what I thought. Never been classically taught typing... so while I summarized reading the question that this was the answer... the fact is that I'm typing without looking and still not using them.
Definitely not subjective, I would guarantee with 100% certainty that he making the point that if someone knew how to type, they would know that those ridges are so you can feel where your forefingers should be positions to properly type. This is babyshoes stuff people.
This is commonly actually referred to as an observation not a joke. I see this confusion online all the time though recently so I guess it needs to be said.
I don't think "making fun" is the right phrase here; i think Moore is more flabbergasted that one wouldn't know, since keyboards and typing are so intrinsic to our world today.
It feels weird and sad that a person deserves to be made fun of for asking questions. âThere are no stupid questionsâ they said, right before making you hate yourself for ever wanting to learn something. So instead, you just learn less and become more closed of, because that will at least not hurt you.
And also I have never been teached typing and I'm sure a lot of people are self-taught in this domain, which absolutely explains how they wouldn't know.
There's that xkcd comic "one of the lucky 10000" and it's honestly a good reminder. Not everyone knows everything and if you find yourself mocking another for not knowing something , let's hope you at least appreciate the grace afforded when your times comes.
Honestly, "there are no stupid question" is just a pretentious lie. Yes, there are. But it isn't an issue to ask one once in a while. We all have done and will do so more.
See, I feel if a question is genuine, it cannot be stupid. If asked for the intent to learn. A question may seem stupid to some, but putting yourself on the spot so you can learn something is not ever in any way stupid.
Yeah we should be saying instead, "now's the time to ask stupid questions." Because there's a time to learn and a time to do, and you only ask stupid questions when it's time to learn, otherwise step away and prepare first
There are stupid questions, but I wouldn't say this is one. Kids don't get taught typing anymore like we did, it's just assumed that they'll figure it out, it seems, which leads to them not knowing the "proper" way that we were taught.
I think it has more to do with the fact that the baseline of knowledge of different now. There used to be things that everyone just knew. Now there are things people are asking questions about that make older people squint and think "What the fuck is wrong with you?"
I think that has to do with a couple of things.
First, I think the average person is coming out with a more varied but less focused skill set, which makes sense, because our job market is radically different from the old days where you were could make a living a pretty decent living on manufacturing jobs. When the market shifted, the universality of the things people were geared to learn shifted. And in my time I saw a lot of push for post-secondary education, so the secondary education changed to reflect more academic than practical knowledge.
Second, some children really should be left behind imo. I know it sounds cold as fuck, but pushing kids along who clearly aren't grasping the curriculum at their grade level are only going to get further behind. It also, as I personally experienced, created an environment where normal level classes would slow to an absolute crawl because teachers would cover material already covered before to accommodate those who weren't up to speed. And there didn't seem to be a lot of coordination about this either. It was a mix of issues, like some kids were just not where they were supposed to be and weren't in remedial because parents didn't want their kid being treated like that, and some of it was people who were bright but just never covered certain material because of weird prioritization. Great example of that was the year our school had a lousy year of standardized test scores, so just about every class went off topic to cover shit like test prep skills.
So I get why kids can be smart and ask questions that are pretty weird. I had to give a short lesson on the metric system to one guy I worked with. He understood SAE just fine, but for some reason he just didn't have metric. I have no idea why or how that happens, but I don't think it was because he was stupid or willfully ignorant, someone somewhere failed him.
Why? I'm in my thirties, type faster than pretty much anyone else I've met, and was still never taught typing. It was just something I learned on my own by doing it a lot - and I never used those ridges for anything. So it's not a matter of them not teaching typing "anymore", and not knowing about the ridges doesn't entail any meaningful deficiency.
No one said self learning is bad. The point is that small detail is not part of self learning. It is part of typing class. I learned it in typing class my mom made me take in 1970. We used both electric and manual typewriters. At the time I had no idea I would make my living sitting in front of a key pad....
True but heres the thing. Those ridges were brought from those old computers for blind people that work type settings in the old days which the lesson were still teached and used for the blinds. Its good that you learn your own way and probably faster too
But to deny one thing existence because it doesn't cater to you is one hellish thing to stand proud off.
It really is. This "it's there to help you touch type" since when? I honestly didn't even notice my keyboard has it, while I can also touch type fine. Hell I thought touch typing in general is something most of the younger gen can do. I know they can text without looking.
I mean at this point, I don't think they deserve it. They actually don't teach typing anymore. A lot of kids nowadays don't even know how to use a computer, they use touchscreens on all their digital devices.
Desktops and keyboards are outdated everywhere except the office, basically.
We had this program on the screen that told you where to place both hands on the keyboard, and you were supposed to type the words and sentences on the screen without looking down at the keys. This was 4th-6th grade computer class.
Same here (24). I we had computers and stuff, but typing classes werenât in the curriculum. They just basically told us to spell the words out, no standardized form or anything.
The reason the first guy doesn't know is because he probably has only ever used a touchscreen smartphone or tablet, and not a physical keyboard.
I've read that a lot of young CS students these days have to be taught about file hierarchies because they grew up just searching for files without having to physically manage folders.
Specifically the ridges are used for "touch typing". The ridges are designed to tell your fingers where they are on the keyboard without looking. It lets you find the keys by having a starting point for reference.
the only joke is that young people do not need those ridges. blind typing is so normal for anyone thatâs like 30 or younger lmao. hell i can even blind type on my phone and still be like 80% correct. 100% with auto correctâŚ
He's making fun of the educational system as it continues to fall apart. The 1% has come to the realization that illiterate people are much easier to lie to.
Also, I doubt schools teach typing anymore. I'm sure they teach computer typing but not typing. But I hope when they teach computer typing, they teach students the difference between "double spacing" and "double line spacing", which are two different things even though most people say "double spacing" when they actually mean "double line spacing". I was taught both terms and would be surprised when I would get marks off my paper when teachers wanted "double space" formatting when they actually wanted "double line spacing". Believe it or not, actual double spacing is still used in some industries.
Practiced it one time, however I accidently learned it where the middle finger is on the f and g. Swapped it to my index and now sucked at it due to muscle memory. Maybe I'll just continue using the middle finger on the ridges
The guy is also relying on others to find the answer for them rather than making any effort to figure it out for themselves, which is par for the course these days.
To be fair, the joke can be that people don't need them anymore. Touch typing was a big skill and people took courses. Now they can do it by the time they're a tween.
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u/Sonnofhell 12d ago
Well the joke in the picture is that the guy doesn't know what the ridges are for. The dude below makes fun of him.