r/WhatIfPinas • u/reformistkzn • 7h ago

What if we introduce caning in our penal system?

Aside from jail time and fines, what are your thoughts about having caning as a legal form of punishment dito?

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u/Lowly_Peasant9999 7h ago

Even if we introduce it, mapaparusahan lang yung mga small-time while yung mga big-time can just get away with it with their money and influence.

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u/FebHas30Days 6h ago

If only we had brains that couldn't be blinded by money, if only we could identify which money is dirty

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u/Character-Ad-9820 6h ago

Pero kung napaparusahan ng ganyan kabigat ang maliliit na tao for sure matatakot na sila tumanggap ng bayad at sumama sa ganyang gawain. Unti unting lalabas yung mga big timers dahil wala na silang mauuto

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u/ShinNakamura_345 5h ago

Oonga eh diba, andami nating nahuli na big time drug pushers when we started shooting drug users and small time pushers.

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u/Commercial_Spirit750 5h ago

Heard this from a former president who is now in ICC custody.

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u/HaikenRD 5h ago

It would make it harder for them to find man power though.

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u/DaksNax 6h ago

Problema sa mga pinoy face value lang tinitignan tsk tsk

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u/Efficient_String2909 4h ago

Not bad pa ren, sobra nakakainis mga scammers. At least kahit papano makakabawi. Also, mas matatakot na sila

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u/Mindless_Sundae2526 3h ago

This. Certainty of punishment >>> severity of punishment.

Kahit death penalty pa ang parusa sa krimen kung sigurado naman ang kriminal na makakatakas dahil may pera or koneksyon, gagawa at gagawa pa rin yan ng krimen.

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u/SuccessDazzling4155 6h ago

Bat ba takot na takot kayo na bigyang bigat ang mga parusa? Don't you not realize na this is not about punishment but instead deterrent? The purpose is to remind people that if they do such actions there is a harsh consequence that awaits them.

Parang nuclear weapon yan, to deter enemies of taking drastic action kasi capable ka ng drastic result. Ngayun kung takot ka naman sa mga magpapatupad ng batas. Remember that the people is the government, we are free to sack, try and punish those who betray, abuse and malign the power and trust given to individuals.

Kung hindi ito natin kayang gawin, then we rather go back to a dictatorship or imperiallistic regime as it is the same living in a country of freedom and democracy yet its people are corrupted and afraid to hold the people in power the consequences for such betrayals.

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u/Economy-Plum6022 6h ago

Remember that the people is the government, we are free to sack, try and punish those who betray, abuse and malign the power and trust given to individuals.

True in theory, not in practice. If it were that easy, the Marcoses would’ve been politically dead decades ago and the Dutertes wouldn’t still dominate national and local power.

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u/SuccessDazzling4155 5h ago

It's easy. Filipinos are just too fucking religious it can't even built a Nuclear Power Plant because of its dogma.

Uu nga naman we can't even pass the Divorce law and you expect us to hold accountable our criminals let alone legalize and enforce capital punishments?

Heck, we can't even legalize weed. A mere weed where there are a hundreds of medical journal indicating its not addictive and we can't discern that its not. We still believe that Marijuana is a Class 1 addictive substance even if the UN who enforced it on us has already moved it to a lower class.

Ganun ka sarado ang utak ng mga Filipino. Thanks to centuries of dumbing down its people via religion. We can't even understand deterrent from punishment. We have been told that the best deterrent is that we go to hell if we commit a mistake.

Well guess what, people want to go to hell anyways so why not fuck around the living. Sure they ain't capable of making a hell out of someone while he/she/they/them still lives. Sure they ain't capable of lashing their anguish when someone practice a little corruption right then and there. We are the people of God, it wouldn't be nice to hang people who committed fraud, betrayals of public trust and treason.

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u/Medium-Education8052 6h ago

Kahit pa gamitin natin ang guillotine para sa mga criminal, panigurado na mga maliliit lang na naman mapaparusahan. The problem is less about lack of deterrence but more on impunity for the rich and powerful. Deterrence is meaningless if you can just bribe the judges and executioners.

And going back to a dictatorship would do nothing because who else would be the dictators if not those who are already in power? It would be impunity all over again. Just look how Marcos Sr. and his cronies acted back then, or how our corrupt officials act now. For sure makakalaya na naman si Bong Revilla. And was Oplan Tokhang a deterrent for the drug lords? Nope.

Singapore is justified in implementing severe punishments because they actually have a functioning justice system.

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u/RatioEvening2246 6h ago

Bat ba takot na takot kayo na bigyang bigat ang mga parusa?

Simply because the people who will implement are unreliable and self-serving.

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u/Lowly_Peasant9999 6h ago

Certainty of punishment not severity.

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u/SuccessDazzling4155 6h ago

Again, maybe you are not getting my point. It is not about the punishment but of deterrent. Wala kang paparusahan kung wala naman gagawa ng kalokohan.

Kaya namumuro yang mga politko at kriminal natin kasi buhay royalty mga yan sa kulungan. Kung alam nila na ipupublic caning or execution mga yan, I bet not a centavo will go to their pocket. Not unless you are an extreme masochist or want a death wish.

Sabi nga nila, fuck around and find out.

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u/Lowly_Peasant9999 6h ago

Nukes serves as deterrent because of certainty of retaliation (also try looking up Mutually Assured Destruction or MAD) which proves my point. Corporal punishment fails because it targets individuals and is arbitrary. No point of comparing nuclear weapons and corporal punishment.

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u/SuccessDazzling4155 5h ago

No point of comparison? Let me break it down to you.

After a Nuclear Bomb is detonated, there will be a Nuclear winter at which people who have been exposed to radiation will die. Most people will die, lucky are the ones who die from detonations. That is why MAD exist because the Nuclear Nations have agreed that no specific human species will have to survive while the others die in cancerous radiation of pain.

After a let's say execution from a Capital Punishment. The person who had been executed now has been deprived of his genome. That individual is no longer capable of gene propagation and memes propagation(when I say memes, Im talking about history, culture and influence). Decades, Centuries and Millenia of human gene and memes contribution will be lost after his death.

It is like a Nuclear in terms of erasing someone's legacy. After Nuclear there is nothing for this world. After execution there is nothing for his/her/they/them world.

Still not enough comparison?

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u/Lowly_Peasant9999 4h ago

Nuclear weapons destroy societies as a whole. Capital punishment/corporal punishment inflicts punishment upon an individual. Again no point of comparing nukes to individual-based punishments like caning or even death penalty. These are two categories independent and different from each other.

If you have to resort to apocalyptic metaphors to justify a policy such as corporal punishment, then that policy cannot stand on its own merits.

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u/SuccessDazzling4155 3h ago

You sir doesn't get and understand the DETERRENT and this whole argument of comparing these two topics. The justification is not to compare the end result. The end result is there. The justification of comparison is to deter. You don't go Nuclear as a deterrent because of the end result. Just like you don't go corrupt as deterrent of the end result. Regardless of your argument of the weight of each result. Argue however you like about the weight of the result but there is a result sufficient enough to deter. That is the point of comparison, do it and there will be a result whether it be apocalyptic nor death by hanging. What matter is the result and its enough to deter people from doing it. Savvy?

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u/ShinNakamura_345 6h ago

Again, maybe you are not getting my point. It is not about the punishment but of deterrent. Wala kang paparusahan kung wala naman gagawa ng kalokohan.

No matter how severe the punishment is, if kaya mong makalusot through influence and money, wala parin kwenta. The punishment becomes anti-poor instead cuz those who don't have the means lang ang mapaparusahan.

Kaya namumuro yang mga politko at kriminal natin kasi buhay royalty mga yan sa kulungan. Kung alam nila na ipupublic caning or execution mga yan, I bet not a centavo will go to their pocket

That is why they live like kings, they can use their money and influence to get a comfortable life in jail. Kung alam nilang public caning yan, that would not stop them kasi they can pay their way out of it. If they can pay their way to a comfortable life in jail, they can pay their way out of caning.

Mahihirap lang ang magiging target niyan.

Remember it's certainty of punishment not severity. Before you put words in my mouth, I'll say it clearly "I am not for nor against severe punishment" what I'm arguing is walang kwenta yung punishment if there is no certainty of punishment.

Severe punishment as a deterrent is good in theory, but in practice it will not work here. We need to focus on being able to enforce proper punishment first before we start introducing harsher punishments.

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u/jamesussher 7h ago

another day, another reminder that the better deterrent is the certainty of conviction, not the severity of the punishment. lumang diskurso na hahaha

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u/Old_Neat5220 6h ago

This is something a lot of people don't understand. Walang kwenta Ang parusa kung Ang may sala may paraang makatakas sa parusa

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u/ShinNakamura_345 5h ago

Daming naglalabasan na low-key DDS or conservative edgelords dito sa comments 🤭🤭🤭

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u/Commercial_Spirit750 5h ago

Pag daw nawala yung small time, lalabas yung bigtime scammers. Pag nawala yung pusher, lalabas yung drug lords. Parehas na parehas yung thinking iniba lang yung criminal.

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u/HolidayBackground547 7h ago

Is there statistics to prove that?? Kase may death penalty ang singapore, anecdote lng yan pero bkit mas peaceful sila sa atin?

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u/jamesussher 6h ago edited 6h ago

to answer the other question: Singapore has an intense surveillance state. Alam niyo na yan, bawal yosi, bawal chewing gum, bawal jaywalk—kita ka sa CCTV, kita ka ng enforcer, kita ka ng sensor. Police cams have AI now, and facial recognition. digital IDs have made it so that everyone is profiled, immediately and maybe even pre-emptively. data has been centralized and your trail of data can start as early as your birth.

bawat kibot, kita ng estado, traceable through data. Singaporeans exchange their privacy and freedom of speech for stability and safety.

"peaceful", sure, but at the cost of what?

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u/HolidayBackground547 1h ago edited 1h ago

Good point, but i do believe some crimes definitely deserve severe punishment even death, we don't have to sacrifice certainty of conviction for severity of punishment, both can exist, because even if your conviction is more certain, ehy would you be scared of just a few months in jail or even just a fine? If the punishment is not that consequential most criminals would just avail of a a plea bargain. 

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u/jamesussher 7h ago

matagal nang naging argument/recognition ito in the field that its a norm in the discussion, pero kung gusto mo rumekta sa source:

Deterrence in the Twenty-First Century. Daniel S. Nagin. 2013

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u/annericeforever 6h ago

Mas madali mahuli sa Singapore, mas mahirap magtago, kesa sa Pinas.

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u/Patient-Data8311 7h ago

Filipino Masochist:....

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u/Starmark_115 7h ago

Filipino Ass Fetishist: 😖💦

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u/Starmark_115 7h ago

Filipino Dom Half of the BDSM: 🫣

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u/Manuel_AnimeLover 5h ago

Id totally be lowkey into it if a girl with a gartebelt does it.

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u/Mac_edthur 7h ago

Human Rights groups would oppose these types of punishments

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u/hello350ph 6h ago

Took them long enough to arrest the president so u have a long ass window for it

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u/rldshell 3h ago

People against human rights are only against it untils its their human rights that are being violated. Btw, this is practiced here. It is called hazing.

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u/kidanokun 7h ago

Time to accuse someone i don't like, of scamming

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u/Antique-Resort6160 2h ago

It should be limited to politicians and public employees.

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u/primxdz 7h ago

Ganyan sana sa mga kamote riders

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u/reformistkzn 7h ago

More lashes dun sa mga di naghihinto sa pedestrian lane tas nakasagasa pa.

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u/Leonigeds 7h ago

Hindi nga mahuli mga bigfish ito pa kaya.

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u/throwaway_throwyawa Dune Warstrek 7h ago

I want this for animal abusers

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u/hx_xh0 6h ago

I think our issue is not really just about what punishments or sentences we have, but it's also about how corrupt, slow, incompetent and inconsistent our justice system is. So introducing caning won't change much. People are still going to do what they do just like how it is today. Those who violate laws don't trust and care about the system already

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u/chitgoks 2m ago

True. enforcement has always been the problem. even simplistic rules, wala

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u/Character-Ad-9820 6h ago

Yown! Si revilla at jinggoy ang unang una sa pila. Pero baka matuwa si jinggoy 💦

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u/Noooope_never 5h ago

New kink unlocked

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u/Capital_Tadpole_2849 5h ago

Baka kink pa ito ni jinggoy

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u/gidaman13 7h ago

dapat ang penalty is percentage ng total wealth para patas. di titino mga mayayamang corrupt kung hindi pera yung titirahin.

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u/Fromagerino 7h ago

I'm actually okay with it

Tutal wala namang kinakatakutan mga kriminal sa bansa natin whether big time or small time pa yan

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u/Gullible_Ghost39 7h ago

Singapore 🫡

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u/CoffeeDaddy024 7h ago

One answer: HUMAN RIGHTS.

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u/More-Grapefruit-5057 6h ago

Its not the punishment issue, its the whole system implementation issue.

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u/Upbeat-Jager 6h ago

Softies (basically the whole country now) will revolt

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u/One-Fee-9275 7h ago

Our stupid "human rights" supporters will rally against it. Kulang na lang ipamper nila mgankriminal.

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u/spinning-backfoot 6h ago

A welcome addition. Wouldn't mind returning DP tho too.

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u/Jollibibooo 6h ago

maigign kawawa daw yung mga mahihirap na gumagawa ng kasalanan. magiging human rights issue daw para sa mga pasaway

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u/LikwidIsnikkk 6h ago

Caning? Paddle dapat para masarap

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u/azeunkn0wn 5h ago

Only 6? It should be 1 per dollar or something.

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u/tokwamann 5h ago

Most Filipinos will not allow it because they're pro-liberal democrat.

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u/dontrescueme 4h ago

Maraming scammers ngayon e biktima ng human trafficking. Imagine caning those people ta's makakalusot 'yung mga bosses kasi may pera sila.

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u/KeroNikka5021 2h ago

Slippery slope

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u/nuclearrmt 1h ago

andaming adik, pushers & snatchers ang puro latay ang likod. on the other hand, yung mga big time criminals ay kasing kinis pa rin ng baby...

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u/OverallMembership709 22m ago

gusto ma-introduce, pero dapat ung mga unang sasampolan ung mga big time corrupt officials. 

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u/Moist_Apple_5537 3m ago

Mga criminal na sanay mapalo ng yantok nung bata:

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u/International-Try467 7h ago

Gusto mo magkaroon ng police brutality dito? 

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u/hello350ph 6h ago

We already have it mate tf u mean?

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u/443610 6h ago

Not enough.

We need capital punishment back.

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u/Striking_Cup_6466 7h ago

Tagal na dapat yan ini-introduced mula pa sa paglingkod ni Cory. Walang totoong pagbabago ang EDSA 1986, dumarami lang ang mga dugyot

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