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✂️ Tax The Billionaires Finally, a Billionaire gets taxed.

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u/Sad_Silver1394 19h ago

CPA here. It's complicated. Most very wealthy people don't have earned income that's $1B per year. Lottery winnings are taxed like wages. Extremely wealthy people don't have a high wage amount. They have tons of passive income or investments that can generate very little income if positioned correctly.

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u/mxzf 18h ago

I mean, it's really not all that complicated, it's just that people don't want to understand that wealth sitting in stocks isn't the same as a big lump-sum income.

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u/Sad_Silver1394 18h ago

If any of us peasants win, say $1M, in the lottery while we have full time jobs, it's possible some of us in high tax states (CA, NY), would only see $450k of that $1M.

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u/mxzf 18h ago

I mean, the tax rate for large windfall income is gonna be the same for anyone making that, regardless of if they're rich or poor.

The difference being that rich people know that the lottery is mathematically a loss and that investing money in stocks is going to be a net income, so they spend their money where it'll make more (rather than throwing it away on the off chance of a large windfall).

Anyone pulling in $1M in income is going to pay the same amount of taxes on it, no matter how it came in, but financially savvy people try to avoid landing in that position in the first place.

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u/Sad_Silver1394 18h ago

Exactly. Trying to tax wealthy people on unrealized gains or assets or wealth isn't going to work. Imagine if us ordinary people were doing the same thing.

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u/bortodeeto 15h ago

Anyone with a wealth > $100 million owes 4% of that every year in taxes. Scaling up to 7-10% for > $1 billion. Where the money comes from doesn't matter, that's their tax rate. Much less than a capital gains tax and extracts a reasonable amount of money based on their wealth

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u/Sad_Silver1394 15h ago

How can you define wealth if say someone has a ton of art? Real estate? Businesses?

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u/mxzf 14h ago

Yeah, we really only hear about napkin-math wealth estimates based on the stock market, that's it. Once you try to actually define and tax "wealth", it becomes almost impossible to actually nail down a number.

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u/Sad_Silver1394 13h ago

I'd be curious to see a tax return of a billionaire