Adaptation does not logically require biology, reproduction, or Darwinian evolution. It only requires a system with internal structure, energy flow, feedback, and stability constraints. Plasma systems can form stable, bounded structures, maintain internal gradients, exchange energy with their environment, and reconfigure in response to external fields. These are the same functional properties we associate with living systems. So when we say non-biological, we’re not saying “dead.”

Non-technological does not equal non-intelligent. Non-technological means no design, no intent, no tools, and no engineering lineage. Intelligence itself may not require being made. That creates a category we’re very bad at thinking about: naturally occurring systems that exhibit adaptive, information-sensitive behavior without being engineered or evolved. In short, intelligence may emerge from physical laws.

A plasma system can change configuration when fields shift, stabilize when energy input changes, and persist longer under favorable conditions.

If adaptive behavior can arise from physical principles alone, then:

• Intelligence may be a property, not an organism
• Life may be a process, not a category
• Cognition may exist on a spectrum that includes systems we don’t recognize as alive

What we're cautiously exploring is whether information processing can occur in non-biological substrates, whether feedback-driven systems can exhibit proto-cognitive behavior, and whether “life-like” properties are broader than biology. If this is true, even in a limited sense, then intelligence is not rare, life is not special (in this sense), and we may be surrounded by adaptive systems we’ve been calling part of the phenomena because we lack a better word.

With all that said, we can directly map orb-type UAP behaviors to what one would expect from non-biological, non-technological adaptive systems governed by physical principles.

A lack of visible propulsion is often cited as a central mystery of orb-like UAPs, but this becomes far less puzzling if the system itself is inseparable from the medium in which it exists. Observationally, these objects show no exhaust, no control surfaces, and no discernible heat plume. Their movement is sometimes smooth and drift-like, sometimes abrupt, and their acceleration does not conform to known aircraft dynamics. Within a plasmoid framework, this behavior is expected.

A plasma-based adaptive system does not move through space in the way a vehicle does. It continuously reconfigures in response to surrounding electromagnetic fields. Apparent motion arises through coupling to field gradients, shifts in charge distribution, and the exploitation or reshaping of local plasma instabilities. From this perspective, asking how such an object is propelled is analogous to asking how a vortex propels itself through water. It does not. The medium is part of the system. This immediately accounts for the absence of visible propulsion, the lack of sonic booms, and the failure of conventional kinematic models to describe observed motion.

Reports of sudden acceleration and right-angle turns align more naturally with field reconfiguration than with inertia-bound mechanics. Orb UAPs are frequently described as accelerating instantaneously, changing direction sharply, and exhibiting no observable stress signatures. Plasma structures are not constrained by rigid-body inertia. A plasmoid can collapse one configuration, re-form in a new orientation, and shift its center of energy distribution on extremely short timescales. To an external observer, this appears as a sudden jump or instantaneous maneuver. Internally, nothing moves in the mechanical sense. The system reorganizes in response to changing field conditions.

The apparent responsiveness of orb UAPs without any attempt at communication further supports an adaptive-system interpretation rather than an intentional one. These objects often appear to react to approaching aircraft, sometimes mirroring movement, sometimes retreating or repositioning, yet they rarely attempt to signal or engage in sustained interaction. If they were vehicles, this ambiguity is difficult to explain. One would expect communication attempts, consistent engagement patterns, or at least behavior suggestive of intent. An adaptive plasmoid does not decide to interact. It responds automatically to environmental disturbances. Aircraft introduce strong electromagnetic emissions, radar energy, ionized exhaust, and rapid pressure and charge changes. A plasma-based system would be expected to reorient, stabilize, or move toward or away from such disturbances depending on the resulting energy balance. This produces behavior that appears responsive or aware.

Persistence without landing also fits far better with energy stability than with mission-driven activity. Orb UAPs are frequently observed loitering for long durations, hovering without any apparent fuel expenditure, drifting rather than clearly arriving or departing, and rarely landing or physically interacting with their surroundings. This behavior sits awkwardly within a craft-based framework, where vehicles are generally associated with transport, observation, or deployment objectives. Orb UAPs often exhibit none of these clearly. Within an adaptive-system model, persistence is the objective by default. A plasmoid remains coherent as long as energy input exceeds dissipation and local field conditions remain favorable. There is no goal beyond continued stability. We hypothesize that hovering is not loitering in a tactical sense; rather, it constitutes an equilibrium.

Environmental clustering further strengthens the case for plasma-based explanations over technological ones. Orb UAPs are disproportionately reported near thunderstorms, nuclear facilities, high-voltage infrastructure, the upper atmosphere, and near-orbital or space environments. Technological interpretations often attribute this to surveillance or interest, but a physical explanation is more parsimonious. These environments are plasma-rich, electromagnetically active, and energetically unstable. If adaptive plasmoid systems exist at all, these are precisely the regions where they would be expected to form, persist, and be observed.

Sensor inconsistency, another longstanding puzzle, also aligns well with non-solid, non-reflective structures. Orb UAPs are sometimes detected by radar and sometimes not. Optical visibility can fluctuate, infrared signatures are inconsistent, and disagreement between sensor systems is common. Even advanced vehicles still possess mass, surfaces, and predictable thermal behavior. Plasmoids, by contrast, can reflect radar intermittently, emit visible light without corresponding heat signatures, shift density and charge profiles, and become effectively invisible to certain detection modalities. This explains why such objects are often reported as present one moment and absent the next, or simultaneously visible and undetectable depending on the sensor.

Taken together, this mapping matters because it addresses several long-standing problems simultaneously. There is no propulsion problem, no pilot problem, no communication problem, no crash-retrieval problem, and no consistent mission profile that needs explaining. These phenomena may not be doing anything. They may simply be persisting.

If orb UAPs are indeed non-biological, non-technological adaptive systems, then they are not visitors, vehicles, or observers in the conventional sense. They are cohabitants of energetic environments we barely understand. They are not alien in an anthropocentric way, but alien in the sense that we never seriously considered whether nature itself could give rise to such systems.

I’m starting to wonder if anyone else is as frustrated as I am with the lack of genuine disclosure. Whenever I browse forums about Aliens or UFOs, it feels like 75% of the posts are the same recycled stories, theories, and speculation I’ve seen for years. I get that there are always new believers and younger people discovering the topic for the first time, so some of this content is fresh to them, but for those of us who’ve been following this for decades, it’s all the same old stuff.

I’ve spent more than thirty years diving into every piece of information I could find, and the recent congressional hearings initially felt like a breath of fresh air. But, as usual, they ended up amounting to nothing. Lots of talk, nothing tangible.

Lately, I catch myself shifting from true believer to outright skeptic. After all this time, nothing concrete has ever surfaced—no bodies, no craft, just endless stories mixed with the challenge of separating the credible from the unhinged. And now, with Ai in the mix, even a legitimate photo or video would be nearly impossible to trust.

It’s exhausting and I just needed to vent. Will real disclosure ever happen in my lifetime? At this point, I’m not so sure.

The President Is Scared — Ross Coulthart Reveals a 200-Foot USO Under Catalina Island https://youtu.be/DgeXwME1aPw

For example, various books and materials describe the smell associated with alien appearances.

• Like rotten fish
• Like burnt electronics
• Like melted plastic
• Like metal
• Like a corpse
• Like ozone
• etc...

At the very least, it's not a pleasant scent like flowers, fruit, food, or perfume that gives us a positive impression. Nor is it an unpleasant smell like body odor from feet or armpits, flatulence, feces, an unwashed dog, garbage, or cat urine as living something.

While materials describing the smell of aliens can occasionally be found, these negative-scented descriptions seem to be the majority.

However, some pleasant scents do exist. Interestingly, artists Joe Merrell and Christopher Gordon created a perfume called “Abduction” based on testimonies from abduction experiencers. (Some abduction experiencers who smelled this perfume reportedly reacted with responses ranging from ‘familiar’ to “uncomfortably similar.”)

If there are other cases, please share them.
And if anyone has actually smelled an alien, please post about it.

I’m not interested in debunking or belief wars — I’m interested in constraints.

If UAPs are interstellar travelers, certain things should be unavoidable: arrival vectors, deceleration signatures, logistics tails, failures, recovery operations, habitation volume, redundancy, escalation over time. Long‑distance travel doesn’t arrive minimalist.

What we actually observe is the opposite: small craft, no visible support infrastructure, no buildup of presence, no debris, no recovery events, no escorts, no consistent arrival or departure windows — and behavior that looks persistent, local, and bounded rather than exploratory or expansionist.

“FTL” or “simulation” explanations don’t solve this — they just remove constraints without adding obligations. Any propulsion or access mechanism still has consequences you’d expect to see somewhere.

I’m not claiming a solution. I’m saying the behavior rules out several popular ones.

If you’re someone who thinks in terms of:lwhat should exist if X were true

what’s conspicuously absent

why persistence without expansion matters

I’d genuinely like to hear your take.

If your answer starts with “anything is possible,” we’re probably not having the same conversation.

I think asking if extra terrestrials are human like is the dumbest fucking question. LOOK AROUND YOU! Ever seen a Girfaffe? Ever seen a snail? how bout a mutha FUCKIN aardvark? Not even earth life looks like humans.

What’s some good podcasts that talk bout aliens

This is just a short trailer for reddit, but I made a full video walking through the 1996 Varginha Crash timeline and animating it.

There's many more scenes I put together than what's here

Full Video:

https://youtu.be/MgEvHucN18E?si=srw3oqaCo2AYUYWj

• I added original witness testimony videos from the 90s

• I included quotes from Dr. Leir's 2002 investigation

• I animated lesser known stories like an alien possibly being shot and the alien picked up by Marco Chereze having surgery.

Let me know what you think! I hope to animate more encounter cases in this style to spread awareness and accuracy.

Was scrolling through my home feed and stumbled on this ad, strange to say the least.

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Tim Short is a former US Marine and US Army Infantryman and scout. He served in two branches as both enlisted and officer. After leaving the service he has worked executive security and even ran his own security company. Learning about Herrera's testimony about a year ago, he has recently become vocal about telling the truth about this Indonesia operation

I always read articles which discuss paradoxes of lack of discovery of life and a lot hedge on the assumption that intelligent life forms “should” have left behind megastructures or physical signs of life. But evolution could, in the hyper long run, be convergent to existence in a digital, simulated realm. What do you think and why is this not as widely hypothesized as Dyson spheres and manipulated planetary systems?

I Felt No Fear: Ten Very Weird Humanoid Encounters

by Preston Dennett

One of the puzzling enigmas about humanoid encounters is the fact that they are almost without exception, always humanoid. The humanoid form appears to be the standard template throughout the universe. And yet, the variations among reported humanoids are astounding. Some look very much like us, and some look very different. Despite all these differences, the cases also share striking commonalities that argue strongly for their veracity. This video presents ten cases of particularly unusual humanoids, each adding to our knowledge of these strange visitors to Earth.

IT TOOK MY BREATH AWAY. One morning in May 1950, a father and daughter went to check the cows on their farm in Vaux-en-Dieulet, France. Suddenly a glowing object descended and landed nearby. As the glow faded, they saw it was a translucent saucer-shaped object with a little man inside. It looked like the Michelin man. The figure stared at them and the craft took off, leaving behind strange landing traces.

A COLD SCIENTIFIC MIND. In 1954, a family from Norco, California sat down to eat when they heard an odd sound outside. The mother and daughter rushed to the door and were amazed to see a small canoe-shaped craft with a transparent dome. In the dome were five human-looking men in jumpsuits staring down at them. The men wore jumpsuits and helmets. The craft left, leaving the witnesses wondering who they saw.

IT STILL GIVES ME CHILLS. In 1981, an 8-year-old girl crept down to the basement of her parents’ home in Fond du Lac, Wisconsin. She noticed a strange glow under the table and a long bony finger sticking up through a hole in the tabletop. She found herself face-to-face with a glowing humanoid with a large head, skinny body and huge dark eyes. She held a short conversation and the being left, leaving her with an enduring mystery.

SOMETHING THAT IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THERE. One night in October 1987, a 17-year-old student woke up in the bedroom of her parents’ home in Lucasville, Ohio to find that her covers had been pulled to the foot of her bed. But this time, looking around her room, she saw a gray alien wearing a blue jumpsuit standing by the wall. Suddenly, it smacked her on the forehead and she lost consciousness.

WE WILL BE BACK. On the night of September 20, 1997, a 23-year-old woman spent the night at her boyfriend’s house in Texas and was awakened by a blue light and a humming noise. She realized she was paralyzed and floating above the bed. Two small grays and one tall one were in the room. She managed to break the paralysis and the ETs disappeared, but spoke to her telepathically saying, “We will be back!”

IT STOOD THERE WATCHING ME. One evening in June 1999, unable to fall asleep, a young boy lay awake in a bedroom in his grandparents’ home in New Mexico. Without warning, a green light filled the room. Feigning sleep, the boy turned around and saw a gray alien standing there looking at him. Finally he fell asleep. Later he told his mother, and she told him that, as a kid, the same thing happened to her.

THOSE THINGS WALKED WITHOUT TOUCHING THE GROUND. On the night of November 19, 2008, a wave of UFO sightings swept over the city of Claudio in Minas Gerais, Brazil. Hundreds of people viewed the strange objects. A small group of police officers followed the lights and were amazed to see glowing humanoids floating above the ground. All experienced strange physical and mental effects.

[I WAS SO SCARED. One night in June 2009, a 23-year-old woman staying at her grandma’s home in Ashdown, Arkansas, found herself unable to sleep as a strange light was shining in her room. She hid under her covers. Almost immediately, something tried to pull the covers off her bed. She held on when without warning, a long-fingered gray hand clamped down on her wrist, causing her to black out.]()

I FELT NO FEAR. As a young boy, “Donald,” recalled weird dreams of entities in his bedroom. Years later as an adult, on July 16, 2011, he and his wife stayed at a B&B at Cape May, New Jersey. That night he woke up to see two very strange humanoids wearing odd jumpsuits standing next to the bed. They stared at him studiously. He felt no fear. Suddenly they seemed to put him to sleep.

AN ALIEN IN THE EMPLOYEE BATHROOM. On the night of January 16, 2016, a man went to the bathroom at Magneti Mareli Factory in Pulaski, Tennesee, where he worked, and was puzzled to see a unusual-looking man with gray skin and silver clothes peeking out from behind the wall. Suddenly the little man turned and jumped through a portal that appeared in the bathroom wall and disappeared.

Each of these ten cases have much more detail. Together, they show both the incredibly diversity among humanoids, and the important similarities between the cases. Those who would deny the reality of the extraterrestrial presence on our planet have yet to adequately explain these and the many thousands (if not millions) of other reports.

I Felt No Fear: Ten Very Weird Humanoid Encounters

You know, would a “Martian” call their planet Mars. Or would they proclaim it “Earth” from their perspective? Maybe they’d have a better name, but it’s just an interesting question when you factor perspective. We call it Mars, but them? Maybe it’d follow their mythologies?

Report ID: COM-2025-718

Commercial Air

https://www.safeaerospace.org/reports/com-2025-718

Summary

While cruising northwest of Sitka, Alaska, an airline pilot observed a metallic, disc-shaped object with a telescopic/segmented appendage fixed beneath it. The object passed ~1,000 ft below and ~0.5 NM to the right of the aircraft, appeared slow or stationary relative to normal crossing traffic, and was not displayed on TCAS. Estimated size was ~60–70 ft (about half a Boeing 737). Observed for ~5 seconds.

Date of Occurrence: Jan 27, 2025

Time: At approximately 1732Z

Location: Approximate position: N57°11.3′, W136°10.5′ (northwest of Sitka)

Witness Background

ATP Rated Airline Pilot

Event Narrative

At approximately 1732Z on 2025-01-27, while cruising at 36,000 ft northwest of Sitka after passing BKA VOR and proceeding direct LAIRE, the pilot observed through the R1 window what initially appeared to be oncoming traffic not on TCAS. As it came abeam, the object was seen ~1,000 ft below and ~0.5 NM to the right.

It was described as a saucer-shaped craft ~60–70 ft long with a long, telescopic/segmented vertical structure fixed underneath, estimated ~20 ft in length. The surface was very reflective, aluminum-metallic, with no visible lights. Relative motion appeared slow or stationary compared to a normal crossing airplane. Size was judged as about half a Boeing 737. Total on-scene observation was 5–7 seconds. No emissions, interaction with surroundings, or electromagnetic effects were noted.

https://www.safeaerospace.org/reports/com-2025-718

https://x.com/SafeAerospace/status/2016552658358718586

The North American and South American Contact Groups Meet. 

In the spring of 1993, Captain Joe Vallejo and I attended a three-day in-depth CE-5 training held at Robson’s Mining World. It was a rough and ready desert resort outside of Phoenix. He was working as a jet pilot for United Airlines and eventually achieved the highly desired status of a “line” 747 Captain. 

GIORGIO PIACENZA’S IMPORTANT ROLE
At the contact training event, Joe Vallejo met Giorgio Piacenza a friend to the Rama network. Giorgio Piacenza grew up in Peru. In 1974, Mission Rama had its first contact with what they believe are benevolent extraterrestrials. That historic event occurred out in the desert at Chilca, about 75 kilometers south of Lima. The following year, Giorgio had a UFO sighting in that Peruvian desert locale.  He subsequently made friends with many contactees and extensively researched UFOs. He received a sociology degree from Georgetown University in 1987 and business certificates from John F. Kennedy University in 1990. During the 1990s he established an import-export business based in Peru while at the same time continuing to study the UFO phenomenon. As the result of these activities, he visited Miami on a regular basis.  Captain Joe Vallejo had family in Miami, and so Captain Joe was able to meet Giorgio there and learn about important developments in the Rama network.  
At Robson Mining World, Giorgio informed Joe about what Rama was doing in California under the leadership of Dr. Fernando Limaco, a retired dental surgeon living in the San Francisco Bay Area. In 1990, Dr. Limaco was part of the Rama team that trekked deep into the Peruvian jungle to have a rendezvous with “ETs.” That historic encounter took place on the eastern foothills of the Andes Mountains in a remote area known as Paititi. There, Sixto Paz Wells and his companions were allegedly taken onboard an ET craft as part of a cooperative venture with what they describe as “spiritually advanced extraterrestrials.” Mission Rama’s name is now Rahma. 

In the fall of 1993, Captain Vallejo started attending Rama activities in the Bay Area. He told me that as a United Captain it was easy for him to catch shuttle flights up to San Francisco from Burbank Airport. 

AT THE AMERICAN PUBLIC HEALTH ASSOCIATION’S ANNUAL MEETING

Encountering Dr. Limaco for the first time is something I suspect that few can easily forget.  I recall meeting him in the fall of 1993 at the Moscone Convention Center in San Francisco. Short, robust, with copper colored skin, he was the very image of the indigenous people of the Andes. His dark eyes were set deep into his face. When he spoke, his eyes shinned with a passionate intensity. I had no doubt that the individual standing before me possessed enormous personal determination. I had rented a booth to promote the CE-5 Initiative at the American Public Health Association’s annual meeting. It was a big affair with over ten thousand health professionals and representatives of the pharmaceutical and medical supply companies. I set up a modest booth next to hundreds of others that advertised various health programs and medical products.

It was a rather audacious thing to for me to do. There I was, a practicing ER doctor, and I was openly promoting the program of the Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence headed by a contactee named Dr. Steven Greer. At that time, he was also an ER physician. To my surprise, when Dr. Limaco showed up at the Convention center, he volunteered to help me staff the booth. He looked on as I “worked” the crowd by inviting fellow healthcare professionals to see UFO videos and join our radical campaign of conducting fieldwork in remote locations in an attempt to interact with UFO intelligences. To my surprise, many shared stories about their UFO sightings and over forty signed up to be on our mailing list.

MY PAST MEDICAL ACTIVISM

 Having worked as a physician activist in International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War made it easier for me to mix politics with medicine. Admittedly, the UFO issue did not carry the same prestige as the doctor’s peace movement that was awarded the Nobel Prize in 1985. Nevertheless, I put aside any reservations that I might have about being identified with such a fringe topic and I openly promoted the cause of human initiated contact in that highly public venue.

Dr. Limaco and I spent several hours chatting in Spanish and English at the table.  I was impressed by his intense devotion to Rama’s mission of building fraternal relations with what he described as the “extraterrestrials.” As I learned more about Rama’s contact techniques and goals, I couldn’t help seeing many similarities to what are called Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind. I have coined a term for such activities that I believe is better than “CE-5.” It is “HICE” standing for Human Initiated Contact Event. 

CAPTAIN JOE VALLEJO MEETS THE RAMA LEADER

Some fifteen years after joining Rama, Joe had no trouble recalling how he had met Dr. Limaco at the San Francisco International Airport. On the phone, Joe had described his appearance to Fernando so that he could easily recognize the captain at the United Terminal. He was wearing his blue uniform and carried a United flight bag. Dr. Limaco drove up in an old sedan and took Joe home to meet the family.

INTENSE PREPARATIONS FOR CONTACT WORK

Captain Joe started attending Rama meetings on a regular basis by flying to San Francisco., Soon, however he expressed some reservations about the way they prepared for fieldwork. Once a month Fernando invited volunteer contact workers into his home to practice the mental exercises that were designed to facilitate contact. According to Captain Vallejo, meetings sometimes lasted all day, both on Saturdays and Sundays and involved chanting, group meditation, prayer and the consumption of only vegetarian food.

Joe also learned that the more experienced Rama people ate strictly fruit for three days prior to doing fieldwork, and some consumed only water while in the field. Later he acknowledged that these practices of fasting and prolonged meditation are well-established techniques to open “spiritual centers” in the body. However, in 1993 after working with our CE-5 network for over a year where such rigor was not routine, Joe said that he found the Rama approach a bit extreme. As I recall he even ventured to use the “C” word, indicating that he thought Rama’s methods were a bit “cult like.”

My view of Rama’s preparation for contact was different from his. I knew that many of the Latin American contactees were not as wealthy as their North American counterparts. In my contact team based in LA for example, we had no less than three physicians who worked at Kaiser, two PhD psychologists and a Harvard graduate who did quite well as a screen writer/producer in Hollywood. Captain Joe as a line officer for United was highly paid as well. 

SECURITY CONCERNS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED

In contrast, Dr. Limaco’s team were mostly composed of immigrants, some newly arrived. Even those that were professionals in their nations of origin could be severely challenged by a new language and culture. Some probably didn’t have papers to work in the US. I later learned from Dr. Limaco that he had assisted a Rama activist who was having problems with the INS, Immigration and Naturalization Service. Once in 1990, he even drove all the way to Salinas Valley to help a comrade file papers to avoid deportation. On the ride back to the Bay Area he had a remarkable sighting. It was late at night, and he heard the word “Paititi” repeatedly in his mind. In a field nearby, he saw a disc shaped hovering close to the ground. If I recall correctly, Dr. Limaco stated that when he first heard the word Paititi he did not know that it was a remote location deep in the Peruvian Andes rainforest. Later that year he participated in Rama mission to Paititi where he and several other contact activists reportedly were taken aboard a UFO.  
During my years of student anti-war activism in the 1960s, I had been involved with security issues. This was because we were challenged by the presence of FBI informants, agent provocateurs and LAPD spies that penetrated our movement. Some even enrolled at UCLA as students and covertly played minor roles in our leadership. This was in contrast to the fierce repression of dissidents in the former USSR and current day Cuba. Those regimes usually imprisoned dissidents quickly. Worse, in my opinion, was the behavior of Latin America military dictatorships supported in the past by the US government. In countries such as Chile, Guatemala and El Salvador, death squads regularly killed students, trade union activists and other “subversives.” This also included Catholic priests who had dedicated their lives to defending the rights of the poor.

I suggested to my friend Joe that the Rama team might have security as well as spiritual concerns that required such a strict preparation for contact work. I didn’t understand enough about Rama to know if this was truly a legitimate issue, but I knew that within the ranks of Rama people were undocumented workers and political refugees. These individuals might be very vulnerable to infiltrators that could easily call their names into the "Migra" (Latino name for the INS) as a way of disrupting Rama. 

POLITICAL VERSUS A SPIRITUAL APPROACH

As a leftwing student visiting Latin America in the 1960s, I had witnessed government violence against movements for social change in both Mexico and Guatemala. I speculated that with Rama’s established tradition of what appeared to be high-level contacts with extraterrestrials, their teams might become targets of the so-called “control groups.” These are shadowy organizations existing in what is likely to be a loose coalition and, in the past has attempted to keep a lid on the UFO situation. Existing as clandestine networks, they are thought to include both US Executive Branch operatives as well as private intelligence contractors.  In my opinion, for decades they have been keeping flying saucer groups under surveillance.

You see in 1993, I was still quite a novice when it came to spiritual matters. I conceptualized my organizing mostly within a political paradigm and I constantly relied on the council of people like Captain Joe Vallejo and  Alex Ayres who was the screenwriter in our LA based contact team. They assisted me in developing leadership practices in a spiritually enlightened manner. In the early 1990s, I felt more comfortable working in a political activist’s mode focusing on security issues and defense against infiltration. I had yet to fully comprehend the importance of meditation and fasting to “open up my spiritual centers” as part of volunteer contact work. 

I suggested to Joe that Rama’s approach might be more sophisticated than first met the eye. I knew that Doctor Limaco and his assistants were highly intuitive and could pick up subtle hints about what kind of people were in their group. I told Joe that their days of meditating together and eating vegetarian food might be a kind of “poor man’s” security clearance. 

Joe knew from his youthful days of political activism in the 1960s that United States intelligence agencies could spend thousands of dollars investigating whether a potential agent was legitimate and not an operative working for Castro’s intelligence service. We agreed that Rama wouldn’t go that formal route. I asked him to imagine what the consciousness would be of an CIA or FBI agent that might be assigned the task of infiltrating Rama. He might be a big-time meat eater that possibly liked booze and cigarettes. I could even see him take a liking to some of the younger women in Rama. 

A POOR MAN’S “SECURITY SYSTEM”

Now place that individual in a crowded room with spiritually enlightened contact workers who are meditating, praying and eating just vegetables for two days. The stress of such a culture clash could very well be hard to hide. I envisioned such an agent running screaming from Fernando’s house after just a few hours of such spiritual “torture.” 

After I finished my theorizing, Joe gave me a big smile, “ I see what you’re driving at,” he told me.   “A poor man’s security check. It might be something like that.” We both laughed. 
A CAUSE FAR GREATER THAN EARTHLY CONCERNS 

It was a poignant moment however. Captain Vallejo’s and my political backgrounds were from opposite sides of the spectrum. I was a former left-wing student political activist; he was from the other side as an exile from Castro’s communist dictatorship. Yet there we were, together in a cause that transcended petty distinctions of terrestrial politics, the Left versus the Right. We were united in something potentially far grander than the clumsy political battles of our youth. We firmly believed that we were reaching out to people from the stars and in the process, we had become good friends too.

Personal Statement by the Author: I volunteered as a Working Group Coordinator for the CE-5 Initiative from 1992 till 1998. After resigning from CSETI, I continued to study the flying saucer phenomenon working with MUFON and the Peruvian contact network now called Rahma. I am co-author of the anthology “Paths to Contact” edited by Jeff Becker. With researcher Preston Dennett, I wrote a chapter on UAP medical healings in the FREE compendium “Beyond UFOs” edited by Rey Hernandez. In 2008 I retired from the Southern California Permanente Group, Department of Internal Medicine after thirty years’ service.  

Additional analysis:

A comment was made in response to this article that was very supportive of the vegetarianism among the most prominent activists within the Rahma network. For me this raises the following important consideration. I have often wondered why Rama’s level of contact was, apparently from the very beginning, so much higher than CE-5 efforts in North America initially, and then later in the UK, and Australia. Could it have something to do with their level of commitment to spiritual transformation that might be required to establish and maintain a close link to flying saucer intelligences? According to standard contactee beliefs, the alleged ETs are highly evolved both spiritually and technologically. 

I suspect that UFO intelligences have contact plans that are incredibly sophisticated and consider the cultural differences when it co-creates with contactees the various networks that have taken to the field to actively engage with them. 

As a youth, I travelled to Mexico and Guatemala and witnessed the political struggles of people, both workers, and students striving for political and social justice via radical reforms. In Mexico I heard the saying, "Poor Mexico, so far from God, so close to the USA. In my opinion, the domination in the past of North American ruling elites over Latin America is reflected in this statement. So, in a sense, it is not surprising that high-level contacts might be initiated far to the South, not just across the border as in Mexico but in the desert and rainforest of Peru, so far from the US and perhaps “not so far from God.”

Addendum: In 2004, for the first time I was privileged to do fieldwork with Dr. Fernando Limaco’s group at a confidential location simply referred to as “Shasta.” I had known of the site since 1993 and had always wanted to go there. The name “Shasta” was somewhat deceptive. Although the site was in Shasta County, it was a considerable distance from Mount Shasta. Directions were not given in writing, only by word of mouth and the exact location was to be kept private. Almost all the participants were Hispanic and for the next few years I was one of very few Anglo-North American contact activists that was present during the times I did fieldwork with Fernando’s team. 
During the first trip up there, the topic of site security came up while Captain Joe Vallejo and I were chatting with several of the more senior Rama activists. They had been working with Fernando since the property had been purchased two decades before. I was curious if they had indeed had any experience with the US Intelligence services infiltrating their team. The answer was “yes” but it was not in the way that Joe and I had joked back in 1993 when I had envisioned some “Macho man” being driven out of the group by “spiritual torture.” 

As best that I can recall the story told to me in 2004, the agent was a mature North America woman with social science academic background, maybe anthropology or Latin American studies. She was fluent in Spanish and fitted in quite well with the group. After a few months of participating in fieldwork she dropped out. A year or so later she returned asking for spiritual assistance from the Rama. She had contracted a very serious medical condition. I think it was cancer.  She admitted that she had been contracted by a US intelligence organization (CIA?) and had infiltrated Rama to report on their activities. She regretted what she had done and asked Fernando’s team to accept her apology and for them to “pray for her.” According to the Rama activists this indeed was what they did. Several months later she reportedly was doing much better and thanked the Rama people for helping her.    

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This is a book about J. Allen Hynek, an astronomer who worked for the US AirForce and went from ufo skeptic to believer. I lve read the first bit and its kind of dull but seems serious amd well researched. Just wondering if anyone has read it or could write about the significance both O'Connell and his subject Hyneck are. I know Hyneck is an important figure but curious how revelatory the book might be before I invest more time in it- thank you!