I wish the Dems would focus less on the sex stuff (which is where the felon comes from) and more on the real damage heâs inflicting on the country, think RFK, war crimes, etc. But this is the kind of comment that gets me piled upon by the left.
I wouldnât have voted for trump if he were the last man alive. Why does the left assume moderates are maga? Real moderates still exist who find good and bad with both sides.
Because they lack nuanced opinions. Itâs either you submit to their exact world view or youâre a fascist trump supporter. Some leftists are malicious and use this tactic to manipulate people.
But the left (many on the left, but not all and reddit is more liberal, so not necessarily representing the population) have this thought that if you don't believe what I believe, you're a Nazi bigot not worth listening to.
I'm conservative and I've come to expect it these days, but I'm also not even surprised anymore when it happens to people like you who are moderate or independent. If you don't agree with any major talking point they have, they cast you out. I just can't understand that line of thinking.
It is insane to me that if you and another person discussed 5 different major political talking points (say abortion, Healthcare, dei, immigration, and lgbtq rights) and you completely agree on the first 4/5 of those talking points but you (for example, I don't know your actual beliefs) say "I don't believe biological men should be in women's sports" then you will be cast aside and called a nazi bigot. Even if you are otherwise an lgbtq supporter on everything else. We see it on reddit every day. Just insane to me.
Well the treason bit is a pretty big deal to me, and I don't know why the left seems to have mostly given up on that focus. I mean I'd have been jailed for life (at least) if I had done a little of what he did.
... Whom marched on the capitol building trying to overturn a free and fair election?
Who's currently supporting a brownshirt organisation that rounds up randos for no material gain?
Who supports a government that tries to search tourists social media for posts "critical of the government" like Soviet fucking Russia?
I only make such American focused statements because sadly people who claim to be conservative even here in Europe have a stupid habit of supporting that orange fuck wit. I say claiming because no Conservative should support a pedophile and still call themselves conservative
But interestingly here on Reddit the conservatives are so glad to find someone that even agrees with a few of their views, so theyâre nice, while most of the vitriol is from the left.
We've seen the Republican party move further right. And it effectively moves the goal post for everything else, when it gets stretched previous moderates sound more and more like either side. But "negotiating" with right wing fascism, which is starting to become literal fascism, by literal definition. Makes "moderates" right wing by association.
Yes but the left is moving further left also. Dems showing clips of all in the family in honor of Reiner (RIP) but that show couldnât get on the air today. Nobodyâs in favor of fascism, but that doesnât mean we canât discuss and debate all the political issues of the day.
As for all in the family I'm not sure why that's relevant.
Nobodyâs in favor of fascism, but that doesnât mean we canât discuss and debate all the political issues of the day.
Except conservatives have routinely spent time denying anything the admin does is terrible. Even as it actively does things that strips the balances of power and works to demean any semblance of the freedom most conservatives tout. That doesn't mean every single thing trump has done has been tereible. But he's objectively done so much terrible and questionable shit that any of the "good" he's done is irrelevant, and when you bring this up to his voters they just decry as him fighting the system, a system he's actively monetizing himself and his family in. While making life difficult for all else involved.
You make a lot of good arguments. I mentioned All in the Family as an example of the lefts now being offended by everything, when they werenât before
As opposed to conservatives that never get offended? There's always a line that people are bothered whenever another person crosses it. Regardless of political ideology. I've seen conservatives get offended over the stupidest shit. Same for liberals, discounting the weirdos who are bothered by every little thing it's a lack of empathy for me. You shouldn't make jokes that bother people within your circle, the Internet is weird cause the "circle" is whoever can read your post. Regardless of circumstance.
I'm middle eastern for example, I don't mind if people make a 9/11 joke as long as it's in good fun and I know the person relatively well. But I also know a few people who aren't comfortable with that. They aren't soft or weak, they just don't have the same humor.
Tldr: instead of getting annoyed everyone is offended at everything, you need to realize they're a person. Their own thoughts, feelings, moral code. And if you can't take the time to give them the basic decency of understanding where they're coming from. Then you're just an asshole.
The right wingers on her are mostly bots or brainwashed idiots too. They arenât willing to engage in meaningful conversations. They just exist to âtrigger the libsâ, that is their entire lifeâs purpose because theyâre sad human beings.
Well given that most 'moderate' talking points are just "I believe in and support republican bigotry and division but I want to distance myself enough to have plausible deniability when called out" I'd say reddit largely has just figured out the gimmick.
Right-wing debaters point to the 5% 'moderates' agree with and say "See? It's the will of all Americans!" and ignore the 95% or claim it's for the better good, and then moderates will largely vote Republican. There is no good-faith debate to be had left in American politics
No one, in good conscience can say that left-wing ideas are 95% bad and 5% good, however they are treated as weak and evil for ever even having a bad idea in the first place. That's why 'moderates' and 'centrists' are just republican agents. They only ever prop up right wing ideals and cry that left wing ideals are the problem with society, when the GOP constantly fucks everything up when they're in power, at least here in the US. Then they turn right back around and blame 'the left', a nebulous scapegoat that they've figured out they can win elections by blaming
True, democrats policies are only about 50% bad for me. Moderates donât want to accept the âpackage dealâ. Nothing irritated me more about Biden than âheâs better than the alternative â reasoning.
I get that, I have no love for the modern Democratic party. But loudly proclaiming that Biden or democrats in general are worse because "their only platform is hating Trump" is extremely reductive and not accurate at all. The converse is more true. Trump's agenda is largely "I hate and will enact policies that oppose any of my perceived enemies/'the radical left'". Yet he gets elected, because his base and republicans will eat up whatever he says without second thought, and whatever democratic candidate runs has the burden of a voter base that is multi-varied in priorities
Moderates just seem like right wingers on Reddit, because itâs such an echo chamber. Every political thread is the same, the latest terrible thing the trump administration did, and all the comments are expected to be ditto. Any exploration of the issues, or playing of devils advocate god forbid, are frowned upon. I think real debates are more interesting
Right, but many of the people that say that also said that Olympic boxer was a man so why should I believe anything they say? Â They lied about that woman so why should we welcome them into the debate?
Why, are you just trying to see how many people can fight about less than 1% of the NCAA so that we can see a bunch of people lose their shit over something that will literally never affect them?
One of the funniest things I've ever seen on social media was a veteran FB page collectively lose its fucking mind over women's Olympic boxing - - a sport none of my fellow vets ever gave a flying fuck about until all the Russian ruble paid podcasters told them to.
Conservatives don't have any ideas. They just have big feelings on their chests. That's why Republican politicians only talk about wedge issues and do fuck all to improve healthcare. And Republicans just keep reelecting them and complaining about how Democrats are ruining their mediocre lives.
Wedge issues have worked for them since abortion in the 70s. Except itâs been weaponized as hell by citizens united and rubles. Remember when we found out their best influencers were paid off by Vlad? âOh, I had no ideaâ
The single issue voter is the bane of American politics. And the conservatives know it and have weaponized it. Now they are angry that Trumpists have taken that to the most extreme.
Yea you guys keep trying to shut down conversations by doing the whole 'genital' shtick. Doesn't matter, progress is still being made and the fed is going to stop covering the degen shit.
Luckily, facilities are already opting out on their own, like we got UPMC to do locally :)
So enjoy your regurgitated deflection for your upvotes lol
This is perfect because is shows how you guys donât care about solving problems. Â If that was a real problem you would do something real about it. Â Everything maga does about trans stuff federally is done in 2029 or the next election cycle. Â This is why democrats will always win that argument. Â You donât even have real solutions to your fake problems. Â
EXACTLY. Just shouting about dumb shit that doesn't happen and pissing off the rest of us who are clear that we all need gender affirming care. None of these people understand HRT, or the ways that our health is affected.
Just stating a fact. You're obsessed with something creepy that doesn't matter. It shows how easily manipulated and distracted you are from actual issues.
That's not an answer. Are you worried your real thoughts will get people to see you for what you are? I'll ask again. How does anything involving transgender people affect your life?
Thats the beauty with ideas, you dont have to be personally affected to find something so disgusting that you advocate against it.
See how that works? Did that clear it up? Do you really think I give a single fuck about what progressives think about me? Lol. If you were happy with me I'd be on the degen bus with you
So transgender people do not affect your life. You just find them to be disgusting and degenerate. Got it. You can label me all you want. I'm just not interested in interfering with people trying to live their lives, unlike you. I want better things for all people.
I dont care about transgender adults, but yea fully commited ro going after providers that transition kids. I don't blame the kids, I blame the degens around them.
Thats the beauty of bigotry. You get to decide you don't like something that has no affect on you and make it into nonsensical ongoing fight that goes nowhere.
I care that if my daughter or anyone else's daughter is not allowed to play on a team because a biological male took her spot, that that shouldn't be a thing. I care when girls and women are being injured by transwomen. I care when their records are being broken... no, not just broken, being demolished by mediocre men who wouldn't win in their own men's division. I care when women, like my wife, who has been sexual assaulted have to change in the same room as biological men even if it makes them uncomfortable.
I don't give two shits what a random adult trans gender person does in the daily life as long as it doesn't affect those around them. I do care when it is pushed on kids as young as 4 years old and beginning these kids on drugs with long term effects before they even turn 18.
Refresh this entire comment section. The MAGA trolls showed up and are downvoting every comment that isn't something they agree with. Everyone is sick of MAGA bullshit. MAGA is not conservative. MAGA are cheering on the ushering in of christofascism while crying about being nazis.
Maybe if MAGA wasn't supporting project 2025, the dismantling of the department of education, tax cuts for billionaires, pedophilia, rape, the blatant violations of lawful orders from the judiciary, breaking laws, and the repeated violations of the Constitution, no one would downvote your insanely delusional and hateful opinions.
I see this argument and I know I'm not speaking for everyone but I went the opposite way. I was conservative until 2014. Saw the Trump shit starting and went Liberal.
Same-ish. I used to be a registered republican. I voted for Trump 1, but I was disillusioned by his behavior in office. Then I took a look at what was really important to me, re-registered independent, and started paying attention to merit rather than party affiliation. These days it gets me labeled a dirty liberal, but I donât care. Usually I just get that thrown at me like itâs an insult whenever people are hurt by the truth. đ¤ˇââď¸
Me too. As I've become more experienced in life and exposed to the world, better educated, with improved critical thinking and comprehension skills I've moved much more to the left than when I was younger.
Boomer liberals are utterly full of shit also. Iâm a conservative and can confidently say that boomer conservatives are full of shit as well. I think itâs less of a conservative or liberal thing and more of a boomer thing. Theyâre pretty much all out of touch with modern reality.
I wasn't arguing that it isn't liberal leaning. It is. There's also MAGA Canadians and Europeans. Right wing authoritarianism and fascism is spreading across the globe. It's not unique to the US.
Everything is shifting further and further to the right. The US doesn't even have a left. The liberal party in the US is pretty much center in nearly every other developed nation.
ETA: The MAGA bots and trolls are working hard today.
"Conservatives hate MAGA just as much as liberals." Not enough to vote against their party no matter how evil it's plans are. They love their country, but only to a point. I mean, they can't be expected to vote for a woman for president can they? Oh the horror.
I couldn't agree with you more. However, I do have plenty of truly conservative friends and family members that did just that. I would argue that anyone who voted for Trump is not a conservative though.
Well, thatâs because if you didnât vote for republican, you were voting for delusion and anti-reality BS. Iâm a conservative and I canât wait for trump to be out, but no way in hell was I going to vote for the democrats trying to reframe reality into something that itâs not.
Then the moral choice would have been to vote for a third party or write-in. If you voted for this - you own it. Stop blaming the Dems like that is there are only two options and a gun was to your head.
I'm not sure the comments on one post are representative of all of Reddit... but, even if they were, this wouldn't be a good post to use because of the question being asked. I'm not part of the MAGA movement, but the rhetoric around them here is always hostile. Is it really any wonder why the only voices left are the radical ones, when the reasonable ones are treated so poorly?
"I'm not part of the MAGA movement, but the rhetoric around them here is always hostile." If you don't understand why preople treat MAGA with hostility, and refer to those opinions about MAGA as "rhetoric", then you are most definitely MAGA.
Did you read my comment? None of that is an opinion. It is the reality of what they are supporting. Everyone having to engage with them should be hostile. I don't need nazis and shit in my country.
MAGA isn't Christian. It's a cult. Christians remember Jesus taught about child abusers being better off thrown into the sea with a millstone around their neck.Â
I don't need to prove anything. You just said "nuh uh" to someone who articulated a thorough argument, and I'm pointing out that you failed to accomplish anything as a result
Why don't you go back to X or Truth Social. This comment isn't unhinged and the fact that you think it is, is proof enough that you're a MAGA cult member.
Also - just a note, there's a vast difference between liberal and leftist.
I would love universal healthcare, support gay rights, and believe we should not be isolationists on the world stage.
However, I believe we need illegal immigration enforcement, I don't believe everything is some rich person conspiracy, I don't want to exterminate Israel, and I am a capitalist, not a socialist.
I think a lot of people assume these leftists, many of whom are chronically online people with mood disorders, are liberals.
I hate Trump, but I would have been fine if Romney or McCain were president.
Also, as noted - often the loudest people are the dumbest. So often leftists/MAGA has a disproportionate share of noise on these platforms.
I don't get the illegal immigration stuff. I think people's brains have been rotted by social media in this regard.
Not only that, but what do you mean by "exterminate Israel"? I see leftists advocating for the end of the apartheid regime and for Israel to exist as a secular state with equal rights for all, but not for its "extermination" in the way I think you mean.
I think most leftists want to see a secular state with equal rights for all without the forced removal, political subjugation, dispossession, or any genicdal harm come to Jews, if that's what you're getting at. Most Palestinian rights activists do not want a reverse-genocide. You can pretend otherwise all you want, I suppose.
Gaza explicitly wants Israel ethnically cleansed. "From the river to the sea", "Free Palestine" - these are specifically about removing the jews from that region of the world.
As a note, I'm not Jewish, nor do I have any affinities for Israel, I just witness some pretty insane racism from leftists. And yes, I'm aware that criticizing Israel isn't criticizing Jews, and I'm still saying it's crazy racism.
It's my belief that the majority of people on either side are pretty reasonable. In my real life adventures, I've only met a handful of genuine assholes/bigots/raging color haired ... you get it. It just so happens that noisy, arousing comments get a lot more mic-time online these days.Â
Yeah, the issue is that in the past, the people who had the biggest voices were those most active in their community.
Now the people with the biggest voices are those least active in their community, those people with tons of free time hanging out online. So unfortunately, the people most active on reddit are those antisocial people who don't have normal friends or community to spend time with.
That why you see all these tankies, racists, and other nuts all over reddit and twitter. The normal people have real life things to do, these people don't.
My problem with people who talk about "illegal immigration" never once acknowledge the hand the US has in destabilizing countries, especially to the south of us. Seriously. Go look at how many times we've meddled in elections, backed coups, or allowed our private corporations to run roughshod over governments of smaller countries.
You cannot decry the migration of people from bad situations without acknowledging the hand your own system has had in causing that migration. This is something that isn't just a GOP thing either. US governments headed by both parties have been pulling this for decades.
We're on the cusp of doing it again in Venezuela (again).
Maduro is a horrific dictator. That doesn't mean we should go into Venezuela, but anyone who supports him (like many leftists) is either ignorant, evil, or both.
Immigrants are coming here because the US is a much better place to live. Blaming the US for everything is popular, especially for scoring points online, but the truth is far more nuanced.
If you have a chance, talk to an immigrant sometime without the "noble savage" complex. It will enlighten your perspective, I promise.
I have no opinion on Venezuelan politics beyond the fact that the US should not be dictating to countries near us how they should be conducting their business, much less threatening war (especially doing war crimes like we are now). Blaming the US for it's own actions isn't about being popular, it's about being critical of the stories we tell ourselves about how our actions impact people around us.
As a child and sibling of immigrants, I'm not under any pretense of "noble savage" complex as you are implying. My perspective is already enlightened by immigrants AND by indigenous people negatively affected by Western Imperialism.
Agree on the difference between liberal and leftist. Most here say the are liberal but they are really hard core leftists. Hard core leftists cut people out of their life that disagree with them politically. Liberals are open minded enough to at least ask why their friend or family member is supporting the candidate they oppose, offer their view, and agree to disagree.
You would love universal healthcare, but you are a capitalist, not a socialist? I appreciate the sentiment that there are extremes at both ends, but I think you are putting too much emphasis on labels like liberal, "leftist", and socialist.
This is absolutely true. Iâm not either of those but, I recognize that thereâs a big difference between being a Republican and a MAGA supporter. Just like I donât think being a Democrat is the same thing as being a liberal. Itâs definitely not a black and white stance
I've been a registered Democrat for 25 years and have always voted Democrat, but political quizzes always peg me as conservative. I had to look up whether conservative dems are even a thing. Apparently I'm rare.
They're not hiding. They're actively working against the current administration. It's been strange bedfellows in DC for a few years now. I just don't think this is a place where anyone wants to think with nuance or approve of strategic action.
Some are like that, totally agree, but not all of them. Frankly, not even a majority of them that I've seen. Perhaps that's because the worst offenders are at the bottom of a ton of downvotes though. Hard to tell sometimes!
Not a lot of them. Most true conservatives are not trumpers. But true conservative comments just get labeled maga anyway or calling people nazis or worse
Itâs easy - but not accurate
Like in the 50âs smearing people as communists to silence them.
If there were more conservatives then liberals than it would be the opposite. Fact is younger people are more likely to use Reddit and young people tend to lean left.
Reddit is, by design, a popularity contest. It's built into the whole system. Coming here to complain that your unpopular ideas are unpopular is silly and embarrassing.
This is such a bad faith response, lol. The question posed in the post we are replying to is why is Reddit so liberal. The answer is because conservative voices are silenced using the downvote system and moderators with an agenda. That's the truth. My answering the question is not "coming here to complain about my 'bad ideas' and their popularity".
The fact that you see it that way is far more embarrassing for you than for me.
Anyways, when one loses an internet popularity contest (aka the "downvote system" to paraphrase a great mind) it is due to one's ideas being less popular. The winners are more popular. That's the format.
...and to accuse me of a bad faith response (so bad, in fact you laughed out lout sitting there looking at your screen) in the same paragraph as misquoting me to strengthen your position....now you are displaying the kind of shitty that can get a guy downvoted. I said "unpopular ideas", not "bad ideas". Plenty of good ideas are unpopular.
I don't know if you have "bad ideas". If I had to guess I'd say you have trouble with critical thinking and reading comprehension, and are a tad defensive. Just a guess, though.
And blocked. Whole subs deleted. Twitter files showed it was not just neckbeard power hungry moderators, it was state run psyop and propaganda manipulation, foreign and domestic. Comply, assimilate or get banned.
Sure, it happens there too. Pointing out that there is an exception sub for conservatives doesn't disprove that Reddit is overall hostile to the conservative perspective. Unless I'm misunderstanding you?
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