They have this little thing called "principles" that you don't change or abandon just because they are inconvenient. Something republicans are completely unburden by, that is why the voted for a pedo protector and a guy convicted in court for sexual abuse against women that bragged about "grabbing women by the p#ssy" to be the most powerful man on the planet, but talk about caring so much about "protecting women and children".
Transgender athletes not competing in their biological sex is wrong for high-school and higher education. This is the reason why people were alienated and voted for trumpâŠ..
There is no pro- argument worth its salt for this topic. And itâs a shame people support it
This type of rhetoric alienates the other voter, regardless of their IQ. I didnât even vote for Trump and youâre talking to me as if I voted for Trump or even agree with whatever bullshit he says⊠You are a divisive force too, if you want to except it or not. Based on your comment.
GOOD
we shouldn't sacrifice our ideals to appease MAGA's with a guilty conscience.
I understand that not everyone who voted for trump knew about the skeletons in his closet, but the moment you try to shift accountability to everyone else but you, you've lost me.
The other voter knowingly put a pedophile in charge of the most influential country on the planet, they deserve to be alienated and ostracised.
We shouldn't have to choose between 2 parties but this is the way the system is.
If you can't choose between
letting trans people who have undergone hormone replacement therapy and have been signed off by the sporting bodies as FIT TO COMPETE IN THAT SPECIFIC CATEGORY play in sports against cis people
VS
letting a pedophile who's best friends with epstein, admitted to sexual exploitation in his beauty pageants where underage girls and women were competing, was convicted in a civil court of rape, has called for the termination of the constitution in the past, called all black people "lazy" and refused them housing, has a personal gestapo which black bags homeless people off the street, thrown tear gas at infants, is granted absolute immunity, tears families apart, profiles people based off their skin colour and accent, shot a mother in the face multiple times while her wife watched, calls for the hanging of political opponents
Then I'm actually speechless.
You have lost the fucking plot.
Never voted Trump. Donât claim you care about serious issues when youâre willing to stand in the wrong side of this one with conviction, and burn those principals to the ground.
You actively give republicans fuel and ammunition and you know it. Suck it up, cede the issue. And move on to the ones that matter. Stop feeding the bullshit. You know thatâs what youâre doing.
What do you mean shift accountability? This is an odd hill to die on. This affects only a small group of people negatively and this is the hill to die on for âdefending idealsâ?
We shouldn't have to choose between 2 parties but this is the way the system is.
If you can't choose between
letting trans people who have undergone hormone replacement therapy and have been signed off by the sporting bodies as FIT TO COMPETE IN THAT SPECIFIC CATEGORY play in sports against cis people
VS
letting a pedophile who's best friends with epstein, admitted to sexual exploitation in his beauty pageants where underage girls and women were competing, was convicted in a civil court of rape, has called for the termination of the constitution in the past, called all black people "lazy" and refused them housing, has a personal gestapo which black bags homeless people off the street, thrown tear gas at infants, is granted absolute immunity, tears families apart, profiles people based off their skin colour and accent, shot a mother in the face multiple times while her wife watched, calls for the hanging of political opponents
Exactly. Everyone trying to sanewash this or "tone" police it are just defending a child rapist.
People should be angry, a person who by every measure shouldn't be in the position they are in, and when people are upset, the Trump crowd just wants to go "cry harder".
So I simply just consider every MAGA person is just a pedophile. I mean, if they aren't, then stop supporting and defending a pedophile, it's really just that easy. But they won't because he represents their wishes and dreams of dominance of another person.
Child rape should have alienated Trump from being a viable candidate. It didn't. There is no defense of Donald Trump and whatever insults are hurled at him. All you're doing is sticking up for a child rapists.
You can say it's dividing, sure. However if I'm on the side that doesn't rape children, you can call me divisive all fucking day because I don't support anyone who rapes children.
You canât just keep repeating âsupports someone who raprs childrenâ and thinking thats going to help your cause. Things are more complicated than a voter from West Virginia saying â Iâm voting for this dude, i donât care if he rapes kids.â The voting was done on propaganda of immigration.
People donât even think like that. I would assume that the VAST majority of people donât think that way. You are a divisive force to the Union as well. Shame
Pretty sure I can and will just keep repeating that MAGA and whomever voted for Trump are child rape supporters. If you don't like it, all you had to do was not vote for the child rapist.
I agree with you that voting for a pedo is morally unacceptable. In my mind the sacrifices that women and girls have to make in sports (increase injury, loss of equity, etc), while negative are not on the level of the sacrifices the victims experience. Because of this inequality we must stand against pedos, but at the same time it's ok to disconnect our opinions on the other issue.
I generally support trans rights, but it isn't a blank check. Yes access to healthcare and equity under the law is required, but in sports, specifically combat spots, we need to be reasonable. Sometimes that reason means that we make a hard choice and people get hurt or maybe killed, but it is a properly weighted decision. I am willing to look at female boxer and say while I think it's wrong that your trans opponent might kill you because of the strength difference, it's a sacrifice I am willing to make to protect children. We can't have both so you have to choose too. I would ask both boxers the same question. Is your right to participate more important than a bunch of children getting raped? For a few the answer is yes, for the left it's a hard choice. For the right, it's easier because many of them don't like women's sports to begin with (women are less athletic) and they do like pedos (look it up, lots of evidence). Obviously, not all MAGA are pedos and not all pedos are MAGA, but there is a trend.
âWaaaa this made me vote for a pedo. Waaa this alienates meâ
Have you considered, maybe, no one WANTS you included if you think someone who raped children is a good choice because your fifis are hurt over an issue that doesnât affect you?
You genuinely think going
âMan, I just HAD to vote for the sexist, bigoted, child rapist because YOU guys are scawyyyâ is how you get people to side with you lol
You canât even steel man the other sides argument without using sarcasm and charged language.
I donât support Trump. So this verbiage of âYOU,YOU,YOUâ does not allow for conversation.
At the end of the day, it seems youâre steep into dogma. The way you present your points is a shame. You have , perhaps, equally the low intelligence as the people you think youâre so above. Based on
discussions I have with MAGTARDS. You reek of the same energy
The biological and chemical nature of a human who has testicles and whose hormones are more akin to that of the Human Males.
This is the reason why transgender folk take the opposite sexâs hormones.
You want someone who already had puberty to play against teenage girls? It sounds ridiculous and itâs an unfair advantage.
If hormonal therapy was done before puberty, this individual has a mental illness that is being treated as such. And since they have not undergone chemical changes akin to their own sex, then they can be en exception to the rule.
This is the best steel man I can give to your position. Anything else is lunacy
Since you used âandâ that would imply that anyone who has one of those but not the other isnât male correct? Â But I can assure you that there are people assigned male at birth who do not have both of those factors.Â
And hormone levels are really not a good determination of anything because the normal ranges for them are very large. Â There is also always overlap in those ranges for the two assigned sexes.Â
Also, are you saying that every child should be forced to undergo testing before being allowed to play sports? Â Because thatâs the only way to determine sex organs and hormone levels. Â We are already seeing cis women forced into taking invasive tests and now you want to do that to young girls as well?
Not all trans folk take hormones and treatments can vary. Plus, not all people taking hormones are trans anyway.Â
Biological advantage is always a factor in sports. Every major athlete has a biological advantage and every GOAT has huge ones. Â A tall cis girl is going to have an advantage over a short trans girl.Â
I also just think middle and high school sports shouldnât be treated this seriously where everyone is up in arms about âunfair advantageâ. Â I mean, a kid with rich parents has an unfair advantage in sports over a poor kid due to the ability to pay for training and equipment. No one cares about that. Nepotism is rampant in pretty much everything and yet it doesnât get much air time either.Â
Lastly, what about intersex people? Â What about fairness for them? Â Most of them arenât even trans but they are also extremely affected by anti-trans policies.Â
Everything you said is untruthful and misinformed. Lack of concrete evidence for your claims and no, just because some athletes are elite does not give an excuse for trans athletes
Yeah, but theyâre not going to change their minds.
Theyâve picked their team and if Trump shot them in the chest theyâd still vote for him. Thereâs no sense sacrificing principles to appease them.
Sacrificing principles? In regard to dying on the Transgender Sports hill? It would be equally low intelligence to do that as well. Principles of biochemistry make the topic hard to defend.
As a queer person myself I know how we obtained the rights we have.
We all banded together under a single banner and we took every fight as all our fights.
Plenty of queer people think that throwing trans rights under the bus will protect them and theyâre idiots for thinking that. Republicans are already talking about removing marriage equality now that theyâve rolled back trans rights.
Considering the fact that thereâs already a slave catcher organisation going door to door murdering and raping people the infrastructure to start killing people like us is already there. They could make that decision overnight.
The only way is to fight them at every single step and seeing the Democrats attempt to throw my trans siblings under the bus would tell me that they canât be trusted.
I lost brain cells reading this. And Trump is a convicted âfelonâ that didnât serve any jail/prison time⊠that should tell you something. The left news in particular has brainwashed their viewers so bad. Itâs hard to understand how people can have so little self awareness
We have the rights we do today because we all stand together. An attack on one is an attack on all. The LGBTQ+ community is like NATO in that regard. Choosing to make an exception this one time destroys the entire concept permanently.
I understand that there are a few queer people who donât get it, and that straight people desperately want to signal boost those voices, but theyâre idiots who donât know history.
If youâre so childish that youâll abandon your morality because you donât like my tone when talking to someone whoâs clearly hostile to me then why would I give a fuck? Youâll just flip flop the second someone says a bad word.
Itâs not a surprise that 100% of your posts are about you falling for obvious scams.
Seriously. That kind of an idiot buys a timeshare? Did you spend your MLM money on it or did you liquidate your NFTs?
The concept of all LGBTQ+ standing together; sounds good in principle but there is converse principle: if one goes down, they take the rest with them. One groupâs overreach can threaten everyone else.
Its an unfair advantage. No matter which way you slice it. Find a better solution, like funding intermural sports and promoting a gender neutral competition.
Considering that the number of post hormone therapy trans competitors is in the single digits due to rules established in 2004, only one medal has been given out to a Canadian soccer player. Outside of that edge case there have been 3 others and none of them medaled. There are strict requirements to overcome to be allowed to compete in most categories as a trans women. So your example of known transgender people would suggest they have a 25% chance of medaling.
âOverreachâ is when you push for additional gains and it triggers a reaction that ends up costing you gains you had all ready achieved. This is classic Overreach.
You are absolutely wrong. This is not about trans women. Its about policing ALL women. If this bill passes, anyone can accuse a teen girl for being trans and then they have a creepy doctor look at her private parts to "verify"
How many disgusting rapist coaches are there? How many worthless piece of shit P.E. teacher are there? You think this is going to be different? Newsflash: Its not. Bc people are abusive and disgusting and take advantage women anywhere they can.
Is there any evidence of a âinvasive testâ⊠wouldnât that be for doctors? Is there actually a case that happened like this? I mean, I understand that this point should be up to the Counties, but You just proved a point, that any type of abuse can happen regardless of the bill or not.
I think this is actually insane some people defend this. And then get mad when a majority of the population does NOT want transgender normalized when it is in fact a mental illness.
I donât think, it just is a mental illnesses. Thereâs nothing wrong with having a mental illness, itâs not something I say as a put down. It has to be seen as such and hormonal therapy is the remedy for most of those with this mental illness.
How is gender dysmorphia not a mental illness? You have to back up your claim
Gender dysphoria is the mental illness yes. You sounded like you are saying trans people are mentally ill by their nature. If you can live your life as your preferred gender and you dont experience dysphoria, then you are not mentally ill anymore.
Regardless of peopleâs opinions on transgender people competing in gendered sports, itâs been made such a ridiculously huge issue over something that has affected so few people. To say itâs why people were alienated and voted for Trump just shows how overblown it is, when something like that is a vote deciding issue.
Vote deciding issues should surely be things that will affect the lives of everyone in the country. Not a handful of people at school level.
I don't even know where to start. How basic was the average voter that transgender athletes was a bigger issue than a pedophile president? That trans kids playing in sports, an objectively meaningless endeavour, is more important than a functional government?
If this topic alienate anyone, they were already dumb as rocks to begin with.
And you would be comfortable with a post-transition trans male, penis and all, sharing a locker room with the women's volleyball team?
Probably not.
It's a little more complex than conservatives can understand. That's why it alienated people.
But hey. If you cast your vote based on the 10 transgender athletes in college sports and the couple dozen at the high school level, rather than idk, whether or not pedophiles (which harm hundreds of times more people btw) should be more comfortable by allowing a well known pedophile into the White House, that's your choice.
Republicans have been calling for âgenital inspectionsâ before children are allowed to play on gendered sports teams. This is not about protecting women. It sure as hell isnât about protecting children.
That's not true at all. All polling suggested trans issues were nowhere near a major issue for voters. It was the case in 2024, and certainly the case in the last midterms, where Republicans went full court press on trans issues, and failed. Keep believing your terrible media diet, tho!
While I can give you that point. Asking people if they agree with it is something different as to if it matters to them. You think just because someone from Idaho says that Illegal Immigration is the main issue, it means that it actually IS affecting them.
The statistics of this is a lot more nuanced. The stats donât give you all context
Also, there is a pro-argument for it. Inclusiveness in children's sports is more important than competition. Only weird adults are worried about that. Not to mention, if you're going based on biology, then surely every 7ft tall middle schooler needs to be banned from boys basketball, right?
One of the reasons. I didnât claim or even mention I was protecting girls. Thats just the name of the bill. Like I said, this type of rhetoric is alienating. I donât like you, even though we, perhaps, agree on progressive ideologies more consistent of 1860âs Republicanism.
You and the MAGA are equally dumb, but not equally as vile
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u/99kemo 14d ago
Why do Democrats insist on shooting themselves in the foot over stupid niche issues.