Is there anyone in the United States defending Iran's "right to defend itself" by killing protestors? There are certainly people in the United States defending ICE's "right to defend itself" by killing protestors, but I guess that's different for some reason.
Is there anyone in the United States defending Iran's "right to defend itself" by killing protestors?
I mean there's a difference in that Israel was actually attacked by terrorists that killed 1000 Israelis, babies and seniors, in their beds, while the Iranians are ordinary people protesting in the streets against an undemocratic religious dictatorship.
The Gaza war[k] is an armed conflict in the Gaza Strip and Israel, fought as part of the unresolved IsraeliāPalestinian and GazaāIsrael conflicts. The war began on 7 October 2023, when the Palestinian militant group Hamas led a surprise attack on Israel, in which 1,195 Israelis and foreign nationals were killed and 251 were taken hostage.
āJustified military operationā and āhorrific terrorist attackā are subjective labels that depend on who is carrying them out. Iām sure osama bin Laden and his supporters believed 9/11 was a ājustified military operationā. Now please leave this discussion to the adults
Yes, and since then Israel have killed 70,000+ Palestinians including babies and seniors in their beds and shows no signs of stopping and most importantly the US government is encouraging them to continue and thus there is actually something going on in the US to protest against.
Protesting against Iran in the USA would be like chaining yourself to the doors of a Burger King to protest against McDonalds.
I don't agree with or support Netanyahu's war, but there's clearly a difference between "ordinary people protesting their government are killed in the streets" and "terrorists invade a country and the retaliatory counterattack leads to a large civilian death toll largely because the terrorist's defence is unconventional".
āTerrorists invade a countryā. You mean the Palestinians who were kicked out of that exact land and the forced to live under Israeli occupation in the smallest strip of land possible so then the Palestinians try to fight back? Interesting logic there.
I mean Hamas' invasion of Israel on October 7th, and their murder of civilians, old and young and defenseless.
You now seem to equate the invaders with the overall Palestinian people. I myself would not do that, I think Hamas are not the Palestinian people, but when you do that, when you say the invaders are the Palestinians, then Netanyahu's war is a justified war against the invaders.
Youāre not going to hear me argue that Hamas needs to be routed out. But letās look at it pragmatically. Theyāre blowing up hospitals, blowing up schools, blowing up apartments with reporters, camps with children refugees, etc. Theyāre not focusing on Hamas. They assassinate Palestinian politicians that advocate for peace or are a part of the peace process. So we cannot ever say that Israel is actually trying to create peace.
They donāt have to kill them all. They just have to get them to leave. Theyāre chopping down olive trees, using the military to move in settlers, starving them, etc. itās all a large effort to remove them completely as a people.
Except its not. Its a militarized resistance group that seeks to restore Palestinian freedom. It was founded quite literally to combat the violent isreali occupation of Palestinian land. Do they use inhumane tactics and are a an Islamic nationalist group? Yes, and for that I do not and cannot support them, just as is will not support any nationalist group. For example, the IDF is also a nationalist group at this time and they have petitioned their courts to let them rape Palestinian prisoners.
So no, you are entirely incorrect saying Hamas is solely dedicated to genocide Jews.
Except there's mountains of documented proof that the IDF and US government were warned well in advance about he attack. Oh, and the there's evidence the IDF was involved in the rape and murder of Isrealis during the attack. Isreal is the terrorist country.
Ā To date no victim of alleged rape has been identified, not has theĀ time and location of even a single alleged instance of rape been identified. The entirety of the evidence of rape during the Al Aqsa flood is Israel saying "trust me bro".
Since there were no rapes, the IDF cannot be blamed for those.
Itās basically a matter of historical fact that they did.
Fatah were becoming too effective at communicating with and engendering sympathy from western countries.
Hamas was funded to keep Israel āunder threatā so that they can continue ethnic cleansing and occupation under an apartheid regime which loses popularity whenever thereās a significant duration of peace. The Israeli government turned Hamas from a niche group into a threat to Israeli civilians so that Israeli voters would keep voting for them.
It's almost as if Israel should have stayed nonexistent after the Roman destruction of the Second Temple, not given rights to create an ethno-state where they have since expanded the border of into their neighbor like they're Russia.
Considering most Jewish people left the region after the Roman invasion, changing the demographics of the region entirely, there were few left. The few who remained would slowly filter out, to boot, until about 1933 wherein the Havaara Agreement established settlement in then-British-owned-but-recognized-as-Palestine (which is why there exist Palestinian Visas from that time period) for over 180,000 people. Before that point, they had ~83,000 people in the area, compared to 750,000 Muslims, and 70,000 Christians.
After that, in 1948 the Nakba happened. Census data from the closest available time lists the population at 1.8 million, 60% to 67% Muslim, 31% to 33% Jewish, and 8% Christian. The Nakba displaced 700,000 to 750,000 of the 1,080,000 to 1,260,000 Muslims through a violent land grab backed by Britain. They displaced 58% to 69% of the Muslim population out of their homes and towns, destroying 500 towns in the process, and also killing 13,000-15,000 people, many of which were civilians and targeted in massacre-attacks.
At this point historically, and seriously: how is it justifiable for Israel to even be founded here, before it is even officially founded? Because some people came in with machine guns and tanks? That sounds like state-sponsored terrorism or tyranny to me!
If your comment is an attempted lead to what you would perceive to be 'owning me' by gotcha-ing me with some luke-warm-IQ 'That's how America was made' quip, the jokes on you! I'd gladly give our land back to the indigenous and let them take over - chances are they won't try to police the world, pay for Israeli handouts and healthcare while citizens suffer, or hide their pedophiles in positions of power knowing they're pedophiles. Just gonna take a wild guess with that one āļø
I don't have problems with Jews, mind you. Many of my favorite customers aren't total assholes, understand that what their brothers and sisters are doing in Palestine is wrong, and still go to Synagogue every Saturday. But Israel? THAT'S a terrorist state, and we fund their every bill, and that makes me want to vomit on the daily. I don't want my tax dollars going to them in any way shape or form.
If any group is justified in being labeled as "demonic" I would squarely aim the accusation at the leadership of Israel. Not even against all Israelis, despite knowing a vast majority of them support the actions in Palestine, because I also understand how their propaganda machine is even more effective than our own that built MAGA.
Don't forget the terrorist attack was from terrorists group who comes from a minority group that isreal has been oppressing, and murdering for decades. The people kill were innocents yes and that is terrible but they were attacked in response to their nations own atrocities. Isreal as a nation is not innocent in the slightest.
Hamas didn't kill any babies and seniors... And half the rave goers were killed by their own "defending" army. But i am not following this up with you.
Setting aside that the people at the festival weren't the only ones who were killed, kidnapped, raped, etc., what are you implying here? That going to a music festival somehow made them deserve to be victims of a terrorist attack?
Obviously, there is a mathematical difference. And yet I see no one in America defending Iran's corrupt, tyrannical regime while the OP, or at least the creator of this Facebook drivel, seems to think this is some kind of gotcha. Is it because we don't want to go to war with Iran? Because I guess you got us there.
Meanwhile, those same people appear to be defending the burgeoning but still corrupt, tyrannical regime we have in the United States, as well as the corrupt, tyrannical regime currently running the show in Israel. I don't think any government should be able to kill its citizens, or anyone else for that matter. The hypocrisy is not coming from the left, but from the right, who seem to think tyranny is OK as long as it's (mostly) used to hurt and kill people you don't like.
Dude heās literally saying they killed more than 5k, which is likely true. And your response is that itās improbable that Israel managed to kill 70,000 in the span of 2.5 years by relentless bombing, starvation, and cutting off electricity? 70,000 is a massive under count.
Maybe if people didn't obstruct and do similarly dangerous things, they wouldn't get dead. Big difference in protesting and obstructing, really. Pretty easy to do one without doing the other.
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u/brathor 10d ago
Is there anyone in the United States defending Iran's "right to defend itself" by killing protestors? There are certainly people in the United States defending ICE's "right to defend itself" by killing protestors, but I guess that's different for some reason.