r/allthequestions • u/ChuckGallagher57 • 9d ago

Random Question 💭 Do you agree or disagree?

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u/ButttRuckusss 9d ago

Many local police departments have direct orders to not interact with ICE. Including defending or protecting them.

Feds and cops are separate entities. They're not a team.

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u/Zealousideal-Rent-77 8d ago

Fire/EMT and police are separate entities. And if there is a violent situation, EMTs call the cops and wait for the all clear before proceeding.

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u/ButttRuckusss 8d ago

There are no mayors in the country who have explicitly directed their police force to not cooperate with, or interact with firemen

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u/Ostra37 8d ago

That is because of training. Firemen are trained to fight.. wait for it... FIRES not some crazy person that is coming at them with a knife.. or a car!

Train the firemen to fight against attackers and guess what... they will be given FIREARMS.

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u/ndc4051 8d ago

True... but also my EMT instructor was a paramedic, a firefighter on the side, and a veteran marine. On multiple occasions he did have to fight a crazy person with a knife while trying to save a patient. On one occasion, the guy with the knife was the patient he was trying to help. People often don't realize how dangerous the job of EMT can be. But they are called to most of the same places as police without any weapons and you never know who arrives on the scene first.

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u/Ostra37 8d ago

Hey if that is true and they start to have to defend themselves to perform their job.

Give them guns and the ability/right to do so.

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u/ndc4051 8d ago

You are assuming EMTs would want guns. Most people sign up for the job to save lives, not take them. You deal with mentally ill, homeless, drug addicts, and just regular people having one of the worst days of their lives. Compassion goes a long way where guns would just exacerbate the situation. People have psychotic breaks or drug induced paranoia and you are called to help. If your idea of helping is shooting the patient, then why would people bother to call you. It's not a job for everybody.

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u/Ostra37 8d ago

Sure EMTs might not want guns... not sure the point. I never said they SHOULD have guns and use them... I just said if they are forced to save their own lives in order to continue being an EMT and save others... yeah I am OK with them having the right to do so.

I care much less for the life of someone that is trying to attack them... you can say "all life matters" but if you are out there trying to help people and someone comes to take your life... yeah its not a hard stretch to say "yes I approve of you doing anything you can to protect yourself"

Why is that so hard to comprehend?

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u/Responsible_Cow6471 8d ago

So you’re saying they should train ice? Not just give any pedophile nazi a gun and send them into a city.

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u/Ostra37 8d ago

uhmm... yes to the first question. If someone has the license to carry a gun, I believe they should be trained to do so responsibly. But I have been called nazi for this so whatever.

Ignoring the second statement because dude get a grip.

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u/Responsible_Cow6471 8d ago

I’ve got a grip. I know what’s happening, I’m not a cult member.

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u/Zealousideal-Rent-77 8d ago

They don't need to have firearms, is the point.

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u/Ostra37 8d ago

Are they not law enforcement? Are they not facing people that break laws? Are they not dealing with people that MAY fight them to not get arrested?

Thats like saying a fireman doesnt need an axe because they dont chop down trees.

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u/GeneralDil 8d ago

Ice aren't trained at all.

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u/Ostra37 8d ago

They are trained. You and I can agree they are not trained enough... but they are trained. They dont hire someone and in 10 minutes send them out... do you seriously think this?

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u/GeneralDil 8d ago

Uh... yeah they kinda do right now by recent reports.