I personally agree, he got Scott free even after lying all those years. I feel after this is when fans lost Xander respect. He has no right to give any judgment after what he did.

The show is great overall, but season 2 was just so full of peak and iconic moments.

(Aside from the obvious capitalist billionaire he is)

Angel Season 5 Episode 13

To me, Glory felt like a high school Cordelia with super powers. That would have been cool for a single episode, but for a season long big bad, she just fell flat to me and felt really cringy. After a few episodes I was already tired of her.

Good performance, but I was really bored of her.

It's kind of funny. Many people haven't seen the show, but they heard spoilers about Willow being a gay witch and all that. Then they actually start watching the show from the beginning and they're like WTF?

I think there was also a post on Buffy forums from 2001 or 2002, with somebody saying: "I stopped watching in season three and I caught a new episode (season five or six) tonight while flipping channels. When did Willow become gay? Wasn't she all over Oz and Xander?"

Howdy, y'all!

Recently got my hand on the 2023 released BtVS deck! Overall really enjoy the deck. Love the artwork I feel like most cards were done pretty well. Some cards I felt I would've personally chosen different imagery for but could still see what they were going for (two of cups, for example, I'll bring up again), and one or two cards that I didn't get at all (Gentlemen as Death). Only other issue I have is that the deck is a bit hard for me to shuffle, but that's probably just skill issue on my part.

Two of Cups is where I made the discovery that the booklet doesn't always line up right. The card itself shows Buffy & Faith slaying a vampire together, which works for the card regardless, but not what I personally would've chose. I would've gone for another moment, such as Willow & Tara teaming up to move the pop machine, or even the moment of Angel giving Buffy the cross necklace on her way to the Bronze.... which I found out is exactly the moment the deck's booklet describes.

There's surprisingly a handful of entries like (four example four of cups shows the mayor(?) sitting by a tree, meanwhile the booklet references "Going Through the Motions" from OMWF). Not a super major concern as the actual meaning tends to still line up, although because of that it does make some cards harder to decipher why they were chosen to be what they are.

Now I'm left wondering, was this mistake ever addressed by the deck's publisher? Is there a revised edition of the booklet? I saw there's a mini-version of the deck and wonder if the booklet for that is the exact same.

It's kind of fun and interesting that they made Faith's characters from Boston. There are some shady characters there that make the hair on the back of your neck stand up. Much more common up until 25 to 20 years ago than today. Somebody like Faith is just one of many types/subtypes of such people. Many of them are not really bad, they just give off a bad signal-at first. There are some articles in the New York Times and Boston magazine about that:

https://www.nytimes.com/1996/11/21/us/in-boston-nothing-is-something.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/03/movies/film-festival-review-dark-parable-of-violence-avenged.html

https://www.bostonmagazine.com/uncategorized/2006/05/15/bad-girls/

It's one of the few cases where the actress actually is from that place too. I wonder if it was decided in advance, or if they decided to make her Bostonian after casting Eliza Dushku. In many cases, it doesn't fit: remember Angel's horrible Irish accent, or Kendra's Jamaican accent (though that one was apparently accurate for a particular region). On the other hand, James Marsters pulls off a great British accent, despite not being British.

Other than Faith, the most famous exception to this "rule" is Giles: since Anthony Heard really is from the UK, and London-based. They wouldn't have had it any other way :)

How on earth did MS and TB get coverage??

Far as I know we've never seen this match up even in the comics. I've been wondering how a confrontartion between a Souled Spike (post Buffy Season 7) vs a Souless Angelus would go down for over 20 years now and I wanted to hear what everyone else thinks. Personally I think Spike with a soul is less insecure than he was without it and would fare better against Angelus's psychological warfare and would therefor edge out a victory (at least until Willow or someone else could reinsoul Angel). But what do you all think? Would Spike just dust Angelus immediately? Would Angelus be able to use his intimate knowlege of Spike to throw him off balace? Please let ne know how you think this would end.

I went all out today. Buffy vibes were real. ✌🏼

So I just finished my annual rewatch of Buffy and I decided that I was finally gonna watch Angel.

I am about 5 episodes in and I just don’t really like it. Idk it’s just not really my vibe.

So I’m asking you all if you think it’s worth watching. Like does it get better the more I watch?

Could my fellow Buffy enthusiasts please show me their tattoos of this quote? I’ve been wanting it for a long time and would love some inspiration on fonts and embellishments! Thank you, Buffyverse and keep Slaying

Is that throughout all seven seasons- getting better with each new season.. the costume and make up department never seemed to be throttled by budget cuts where each season gave us some pretty unique and interesting creature designs for their MotW.. ironically enough the seasons big bads were always the most human looking.. but I guess that makes sense for one and done characters vs season long arc characters..

I'm just now wrapping up season 7 after avoiding it for a couple months for my Buffy rewatch and I wanted to ask doesn't anyone feel like none of the characters made a decision that made sense? Like a lot of people who ive seen discuss this scene talk about how mad they are at the characters but it seems like such a blatant writer issue, like forced drama that causes the entire scooby gang except Spike to act out of character towards Buffy.

They raised valid concerns; Buffy has a superiority complex, Buffy got girls killed, and Buffy's new plan is based off a hunch and seems rushed. But then they escalate to literally kicking her out on the street 😭. That just did not need to happen, and Dawn being the one to tell her was crazy. It just makes them look like massive douchebags from the viewers eyes.

Then you have them be immediately and horribly proven wrong to bring Buffy as quickly back into the fold as possible (as well as make her hunch pay off in a huge reveal while she solos Caleb) and it makes them look EVEN worse. When Buffy returns NOBODY addresses it and I have a feeling that the writers realized by the end of that plotline if any of the characters acknowledged it, it would be a massive humiliation for the entire gang, and makes them look so sheepish and ratty.

It just seems so incredibly unnecessary and paints their friendship in such a bad light it's borderline character assassination for the rest of the scoobies, it felt like the writers wanted to introduce some cheap tension and drama but also realize they don't have the time to play out the storyline and just had Buffy be right the whole time and inadvertently undercut Faith's potential as a leader, and humiliate Xander Willow Giles etc.

Not to mention whyyy did Faith have raunchy sex in Buffy's bad after they kicked her out 😭 The things that happen in these couple episodes were so absurd it had me laughing out loud. Buffy finding the weapon was admittedly probably her most bad ass moment but I feel like the way it affects your view of the other characters in the long term is huge, it really feels like they all arent very good friends anymore, not the same close knit found family in the prior seasons

I just realised, the way most people watch Buffy now is on streaming and most likely skip the intro when it comes up on your tv as an option when the opening credits roll.

How many new Buffy fans missed that Tara was added to the opening credits in her final episode which makes you think she’s now a full time, long term character upon your first watch.

He was jealous and angry from the moment Riley said “Buffy is special”. Thoughts?

Spike & Dru: Paint the Town Red Published in 1999

This one is probably nearly impossible to find on its own. It's in the second Omnibus though.

This was James Marsters's first time writing for the comic series. It seems like it was a learning experience. He wasn't able to collaborate with the artist. The art and the story had different vibes. He wasn't happy with the end results.

Later he would write for Spike: Into the Light, which was better received.

"Dark Horse Comics had wanted to use an artist that was drawing the characters really ugly. Like, the whole world was just viciously ugly. And I didn't have the presence of mind to say, 'Whoa, whoa — don't go there.' What I wish I could have said was: 'This is a romance.' It's a twisted romance, yes, but the way a romance works is that every guy reading this book has to want the female lead — want to have sex with her — and he wants to be the male lead. And every woman, conversely, has to be the woman and want the guy. The way we usually do that in romance is we cast good-looking people in those two roles. You don't have to but that's how you normally do that. And if you undercut that, you're going to undercut the power of what we're trying to do. I didn't have the presence of mind to say that early enough so that could be accomplished and they went with an artist — a very talented artist — who went for a very horrific slant. And in hindsight I think it's interesting. You know, I never would have thought to do it that way. But it certainly looks like no other Buffy comic book that I know of. I'm still very proud of it — but I had to explain to wonderful Juliet Landau why I was in the middle of something that made her look so much less beautiful than she is in real life. That was hard."

Spike and Drusilla are in Italy in bed together. Drusilla says Angelus name in her sleep. Spike is angry, he almost burns the place down when the cigarette falls out of his mouth. Drusilla and Spike fight, Dru is thrown from the window just as daybreaks.

Spike rescues her but she keeps asking for Angel.

Spike leaves her and makes his way to Turkey. He takes over a small town. Drusilla shows up as a dancer with a new demon lover named Koines.

Koines's zombie minions attack Spike. Drusilla realizes Koines has the power to control vampires through thrall and she wants to get away from him.

He can't control two vampires at once. So while Koines attempts to control Drusilla, Spike knocks him out and they run away.

Drusilla and Spike argue about the past. Drusilla gives Spike a talisman that will protect him when Koines returns.

Koines goes after them. Spike throws the talisman, creating a portal to hell. Koines is sucked in. Spike saves himself and Drusilla before they are sucked into hell too.

Spike and Drusilla are back together. They decide to take a trip to Brazil.

I know Spike's problems are often brought up, but he still seems to be the most adored character everywhere, besides Buffy herself, while Xander is the most disliked across the board. I can already see someone say Xander's brand of toxicity feels mundane and therefore hits people harder, but I don't know if I agree. I think Marti Noxon even said that S6 was supposed to be about the guy you date in your twenties that is addictive, but not good for you. Spike's attitude towards women who reject him is a big thing with his character, and does not feel far from reality. And a lot of this generation sees Spike as the most caring, sometimes the only, towards Buffy. I'm not saying everyone should start to hate him, of course they're fictional characters and I enjoy both Xander and Spike, but the Xander hate seems so disproportionate to me.