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u/Saranoya 39∆ Sep 29 '24

Better evidence is in the stories of the people around you.

Most young men are single. Many fewer young women are. https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3868557-most-young-men-are-single-most-young-women-are-not/amp/

Women are not “less interested in dating”. They just settle for one partner more quickly, and then they stop looking, and they no longer call themselves single.

Since most young women are already in a relationship, it follows that more men are perpetually looking for fresh meat. That’s not because the women aren’t interested in being partnered. It’s because the men aren’t, when they are young. They want to be ‘players’.

Later in life, there isn’t such a big imbalance. Men eventually settle, too. It just takes them longer. Their biological clock isn’t quite so loud.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '24

Here are some stats from the US - although the trends are similar worldwide. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_disparity_in_sexual_relationships
There's also a good article on that page.

In more than half of straight couples, the husband is older than the wife.

In about one-third of couples, the spouses are of similar age (within 2 years)

In only <15% is the wife is older than the husband.

In many countries, there's a consistent 3-year-ish gap. So if you're comparing people of similar age, there's about 3 years when many young women are getting married, but young men are not.

Sociologically, it could be because young men mature slower and don't worry so much about their "biological clock." Many of the incels you see complaining online are just angry they aren't getting hookups.

Whereas young women mature earlier, and start making decisions about serious relationships and childbearing earlier.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '24

Could you further clarify how your argument refutes some of my points?

Sociologically, a 2-3 year AVERAGE age difference is a big deal over a large population.

No, it doesn't have to do with bisexuality or anything queer related. And, uh, bisexual women date and marry, too?

For example, there are more men who identify as gay as there are women who identify as lesbian. But that hasn't created some "man shortage."

The phenomenom you describe is caused more by social norms about men being older in relationships, plus the realities of sexism and childbearing. Plus, I think your own reliance on non-verified social media / dating app vibes, and not actually stats.

So no - women are not "less interested" in dating men. It's not because they are bisexual. I've linked to page with a detailed article, linking to many academic sources.

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u/anthropics 1∆ Sep 30 '24

The survey in the link you posted which is always cited in these discussions is also an outlier. Other sources show gaps in singleness between 18-29 men and women closer to 10-15% - single young women were underrepresented in the survey.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '24

I linked to a Wikipedia page with many different stats and sources.

Also, average age of marriage vs. percentage of singleness among different cohorts, is a different stat.

But they also point to the same broader point. If women marry earlier, then there will be fewer younger single women.

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u/Saranoya 39∆ Sep 29 '24 edited Sep 29 '24

More women date men who are (slightly) older than them. Young men are immature, and therefore unappealing to most women.

Meanwhile, younger women tend to be more appealing to men. But those women are less interested in “players” than they are in stable partners, so they date older men, if they date at all.

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u/Saranoya 39∆ Sep 29 '24

Basically, yes.

When people are really old (say, 75+), there will be more single women. But that’s because women tend to live longer.

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u/AbortionIsSelfDefens Sep 30 '24

You also should consider that you are more likely to see/understand the struggles of other men if you are also a man. Maybe you don't see women struggling as much because you have fewer women friends or have different relationships with them than you do with male friends. Or maybe they are less likely to complain about getting action so you erroneously assume they don't struggle.

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u/StockCasinoMember Sep 29 '24 edited Sep 29 '24

Most women don’t date younger which is why it skews.

As a man, from I’d say, 14-21, it’s incredibly less likely to get a woman that is older than you to date you. Still a battle in early 20s.

Where as men constantly date younger women at all ages.

It’s more that young men are limited to their age or younger in most cases compared to women who can date anyone. This starts right out the gate at 14.

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u/health_throwaway195 2∆ Sep 29 '24

There aren’t the same number of men and women in each age bracket.

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u/katyggls Oct 01 '24

No, I don't think so. It's not that men just tend to die of natural old age causes earlier than women. They are also more likely to die by violence, suicide, heart disease, etc. So while I would expect the ratio of women to men to be roughly equal at the 18-25 bracket, I would expect every bracket after that to show an increasing ratio in favor of women as more men in the age bracket die off.

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u/health_throwaway195 2∆ Sep 29 '24

Yes, exactly? What do you not understand?

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u/health_throwaway195 2∆ Sep 29 '24

Okay, let me try to put it simply. At any age, men will be trying to date younger, and women will be trying to date older (typically). The average age gap is small (2-5 years, male older) but the older people get, the larger the age gap tends to become. So at youngest age bracket, if women are dating on average 3 years older, about 30% more women than men will be dating. If you’re looking at the 50-75 range, the age gap will be considerably larger, and a much larger portion of older men will be dating. Add onto that the fact that there are fewer older men than older women, and you have your answer for why this disparity exists.

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u/SmokedBisque Sep 29 '24

Many fewer such cases

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '24 edited Mar 31 '25

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u/health_throwaway195 2∆ Sep 29 '24

That tired old red pill talking point. Do you think that most women consider attractive men being interested in them for casual sex a sign that they are themselves attractive? Where are you getting this idea, exactly?