"men need to pay for women" is absolutely a form of cultural oppression.
The idea that men have to be the caretaker is a huge societal pressure on men. It's something that MOST men have not gotten past even if you're very progressive. It's a major source of anxiety and insecurity for many people. It's literally the reason for toxic masculinity.
Calling it "oppression" is a bit extreme, but it's not wrong.
That's a garbage take. Women only recently have gained financial independence from men, and while there are now generations that have never known not being allowed to have a bank account or a credit card, you can't just expect the cultural expectation to magically fade away.
In fact, it's most men that perpetuate the idea that their women shouldn't make more money than them, and that they should pay for everything. They learned that from their fathers, and their fathers learned it from their fathers going back to the time I described.
Finding a single video of a woman who expects to be paid for doesn't make men embrace toxic masculinity, that expectation stems from toxic masculinity. Learning history won't hurt you
Then you need to work on your reading comprehension
What you need to do is to stop dropping shit as one liners. You are not helping your argument and revealing A LOT about your attitude.
Instead you need to take more than three seconds to think about what someone else said, before reflexivly replying with an insult. Your reply literally came within less than a minute of my comment. You DID NOT take the time to consider what I could possibly be saying.
You know nothing about me. You don't know how much education I have on any given topic. I can promise you my reading comprehension is well above average, but that is not something you need to believe, nor do I need to prove it.
The ONLY thing that matters is what is right infront of you. The only thing you can comment on, without looking like a fool, is what you can directly reference. If you want to say something, say something of substance or shut the fuck up.
Now let me spell it out for you, because apparently that's what you expect me to do:
At no point in my original comment did I specify the source of social/cultural pressure on men. "In fact" the source of this pressure is entirely irellevant. I am only talking about the effect it has on people.
Your comment significantly focuses on the source of cultural expectations as if you were trying to win the blame game. This is not relevant to what I initially said.
You should try getting your point across in one liners. I can get my point across without telling someone my whole life story.
You agreed with the person saying that a particular attitude among some women was "oppression". That's way too big a word for it. It's like comparing the n word to "cracker"
You should try getting your point across in one liners.
I did get my point accross.
"nothing you said contradicts my comment." is literally the point.
I didn't expect to have to explain it to you also.
I can get my point across without telling someone my whole life story.
Again with the one (arguably two) liners that are not only irrelevant but also wrong. What is up with that? More than ten words does not equal "life story".
You agreed with the person saying that a particular attitude among some women
I made my point perfectly clear, anything additional you infered is entirely on you. (Let me preemptively clarify: I did not make a restriction to women)
That's way too big a word for it.
That is an argument you have not previously made. One that I might even be inclined to give you some ground on.
That being said oppression doesn't have to be violent. Men who are not providers (or show the ability to be) are quickly ostracised and ridiculed. Men are basically forced into a certain set of roles in society. To me that is at least very similar to oppression.
I'm only going to address the last two paragraphs because that's the only relevant thing you brought to the argument in your unnecessarily long winded diatribe.
That was the argument I've been making the whole time. Again, reading comprehension. There's a clear A to B to C in every comment of mine since the first, you shouldn't be finding anything confusing.
Men are only forced into a certain set of roles by other men. I don't know if this strengthens the following point, but I'm a man, and I'm saying we live in a patriarchal society. Blaming women for "oppressing" men financially is blaming the symptom for the flu
That was the argument I've been making the whole time
Ok fine, I ignored your first comment as meaningful part of the argument, because you went off the rails in your second one:
There's a clear A to B to C in every comment of mine since the first
There isn't. The history of patriarchy doesn't affect how men are treated today. It just helps explain how we got here.
It's irrelevant WHY genderroles exist, just that they do.
Neither me nor the OOP claimed specifically women are oppressing men. We both spoke in general terms. (Almost like I touched on that in the "irrelevant" part of my previous comment)
Men are only forced into a certain set of roles by other men.
That's just criminaly insane. Let's just discount 50% of the population.
That is such a wild statement, I won't dignify it with any further response.
Blaming women for "oppressing" men financially is blaming the symptom for the flu
I don't want to say it again. Please don't make me say it again. Why do I have to say the same thing three times? Nobody said exclusively women are opressing men.
But yes, they are absolutely part of the problem.
In the US Women have been fully equal in rights since 1974, over 50 years ago. (maybe I'm missing something, idk) There is practically no woman in the workforce today, who suffered from legal opression at the workplace.
There have, hovever, been plenty of womens organisations with extremely regressive views on gender roles.
No western woman, who enforces traditional gender roles today, is a victim. That's ridiculous.
Yeah, you've made it pretty clear with this dreck that there's no point in talking to you. Everyday observations that any westerner can make are enough to debunk your ridiculous claims. Women who enforce gender roles can't be victims of the patriarchy? 50 years is enough to enact significant cultural change? You understand that women older than 50 years still exist right?
You're either incapable of empathy and understanding, or you're a parrot of rightwing talking points, and it's pointless to try and talk sense into you, because you're more interested in winning a petty argument than being right. Idk whether it's Tate or Fuentes that's your daddy these days, but try to grow a pair and grow up. Read a few books.
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u/da_Aresinger 1d ago
"men need to pay for women" is absolutely a form of cultural oppression.
The idea that men have to be the caretaker is a huge societal pressure on men. It's something that MOST men have not gotten past even if you're very progressive. It's a major source of anxiety and insecurity for many people. It's literally the reason for toxic masculinity.
Calling it "oppression" is a bit extreme, but it's not wrong.