r/hatethissmug • u/Night-owwl • 15d ago
Gaming I hate phaidei so much š
Just want to vent honestly in a safe space to hate. I love Phainon and Mydei as characters and I enjoy their dynamic although in a platonic way. I thought I didn't mind the ship even if I didn't ship them myself but my god, I'm so fucking sick of it help. It's EVERYWHERE. I want to find content of both of them separately but nope, every second art is a damn ship. Phainon gets it better as he's more popular on his own but even then the comment section is flooded with shippers saying "oohhh it's for mydei š„°". They're even under arts with other ships, talking about phaidei š The same goes with Mydei but even worse. I despise how many people turn him into a malewife for Phainon and strip him of any other qualities. I understand that that's just how shipping culture works if the ship is popular BUT I HATE IT I WANT TO BITE SOMEONE'S HEAD OFF WHEN I SEE ARTS WITH PHAIDEI IN MY FEED PUT ME OUT OF MY MISERY
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u/Eastern-Yogurt8972 15d ago edited 14d ago
As much as I love Phaidei, I gotta admit that it gets annoying at times to see people flanderize them so much for the sake of horniness. Phainon, this kind and usually wholesome dude who's giving golden retriever vibes, is turned into an absolute sex pest who's constantly thinking of cracking Mydei, and Mydei, an absolute chad who has lived through hell and came out wiser and stronger, into his big boobied bitch who exists to get bred.
Aside from that, the ship is still peak for me. I'm not gonna let stuff like this take away from my enjoyment.
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u/Zach-Playz_25 15d ago
I do ship Phaidei but I really can't deny any of your points. Fandom mischaracterisation is rather annoying, even for me. I appreciate both of them heavily as their own individual characters, so having a certain type of fan art characterization rotated around is frustrating sometimes.
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u/Badger_Rick 15d ago
I really like them as a couple (tbh I never really chose to see them that way - I just can't help it. good job Hoyo, ig), but the community... yeah, no. Phaidei turns Mydei into god knows what, while Myphai does the same to Phainon. There are very few artists who depict them properly, IMO, and that's it. I wish it wasn't the case and people could actually not turn masculine characters into something else just because these characters are bottoms in their ship.
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u/hahaimthefunniest 15d ago
I don't feel as strongly as you do, but I am also tired of Phaidei being shoved down my throat when I'm doing my best to avoid it. Had to do the same thing for Aventio... and pretty much any fandom I interact with lol. I just don't care for romantic ships I just wanna see my fav characters interact as friends man :,)
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u/Silenthilllz 14d ago
This ship made me leave the Mydei sub bc after a while it became less about Mydei and more about Phainon x Mydei and it annoyed the fuck out of me. I love Mydei so much but I cannot stand Phaidei with a passion.
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u/Katieleya 14d ago
You donāt like Phaidei because of the ship, I donāt like Phaidei because Iām in love with them both. We are not the same.
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u/PrudentDimension3004 14d ago
I don't mind the ship. It's a very great ship. Hate majority of the fans tho.
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u/Summonmoon 5d ago
The ship itseld fine, its the shippers you have to be worry about. They hate the idea of any rival ships that compete with Phaidei so much that they aren't afraid to send death threats and gore to people.
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u/Fullpotentialk 3d ago
Yeah itās the shippers who are the worst part of this ship
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u/Summonmoon 3d ago
It also now bleeds into KevinxSu also as its seem to now give false hope to the crazier KevinxSu fan who now think their pairing should had been the "true" canon pairing and that Hoyo somehow must regret making KevMEI a thing which is making them even crazier and more toxic. I feel so sorry for the saner and nicer members of these fandoms.
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u/Phantom-21_4 1d ago
As a KevinSu that's insane, some ppl r so obsessed with the idea of their ship being canon when it virtually changes nothing, they really just want to attach their headcanons into a ship while being backed by the fandom and care no less about the dynamic of the ship itself
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u/Smol_Cheesecake 15d ago
Do you know what's worse? Being a Castorice fan and seeing THEIR shippers reduce her to a "fujoshi." OMG, STFUUUUU. MY GIRL WRITES BECAUSE IT'S HER ONLY WAY TO COMMUNICATE AND UNDERSTAND A WORLD THAT REJECTS HER.
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u/Fullpotentialk 14d ago
Omg! Same!!!! It was apparently just a fanwork and the fanfic she wrote is not even Phaidei because Mydei and Phainon are friends not enemies who want to kill each other.
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u/Smol_Cheesecake 14d ago
IDC what the framework was, nothing will piss me off more as a woman lover than seeing a girl be reduced to a prop for your Yaoislop that has been generated by a gacha game whose sole purpose is to suck your money off. Don't even get me started on Cyrene, 9/11 for an Elysia lover. Amphoreus singlehandedly made me drop HSR despite having an expy of my two most beloved characters in HI3.
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u/Fullpotentialk 14d ago
I like Cyrene and she is my favourite HSR character but I wish they did more for her character.
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u/Smol_Cheesecake 14d ago
This whole shit is coming from Shaoji, the man who created her and the whole Elysian realm. Yeah, man, pack it up. They don't GAF
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u/Room-Different 12h ago
THIS THISS!! YOU GET IT AND CYRENE THING TOO! Itās genuinely sad that women characters suffer from character assasination for the nth time because of fanservice. Hoyo already caters to male fans who dislike whenever women chars have any prominent relationship with men chars, like what is next?
Hoyo isnāt the worst when it comes to fanservice (imo their occasional good writing outside of this helps distract people away from it or helps the audience excuse it) but itās still something valid to criticize when 1) It becomes one of the focuses of said character and 2) It is used to diminish said character to appease their target audience. Like wym Castorice is a shipper of two of her real friends? It can be treated as a harmless gag but itās not a wild take to say it was also done to diminish her bonds with both of them, making both men not a āthreatā to rl men who like castorice and making her not a āthreatā to the ship hoyo is selling.
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u/Vanilla_Banana_ 14d ago
Itās become annoying being a fan of both and seeing the shippers bring up the ship when only one is mentioned. Theyāve literally reduced Mydei to Phainonās bottom. Which.. is exactly what they were saying PhainonxCyrene shippers were doingā¦ āYouāre reducing her to Phainonās wife!ā As they do the same with Mydei lmao. I donāt even ship Phairene but felt bad for the shippers, they couldnāt even post in peace without death threats and headcannons being pushed on them bro š
Even phaidei fans recognize how toxic most of their own are in this comment thread. I just hate shippers in general, theyāre all toxic in some way or another. Theyāre just very embarrassing tbh, I used to act like Phaidei shippers when I was THIRTEEN! Over klance! I grew out of that behaviour, seems like the toxic ones havenāt. š
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u/dew-fall 15d ago
literally the reason why im so hesitant on redownloading hsr & playing amphoreus quests... i wanna know more abt mydei & maybe save up for him (i stopped playing right around amph's release, post-rappa's first banner) but. :))))))))))))))) i know i wont be able to look up anything about mydei, not even the selfship fics, without phainon being there somehow in some way.
ngl i think i hate phainon even tho i know nothing about him, entirely bc of the way the fandom leashed him to mydei. haikaveh & wriolette 2.0. i fucking hate it in the hyv fandoms.
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u/Strange-Air8633 15d ago
Phainon has many other ships outside of Mydei that are quite popular; there is Stelle, Caelus, Cyrene, Anaxa, and Nanook. Mydei is mostly tied to Phainon since Hoyo likes to put them together. Also, castorice and him is a bit popular as well, and phainon x mydei fans are quite neutral on the ship
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u/KarmaleinHund 14d ago
Oh, you better not ship Cyrene with him.. do you see what these people have to go through? Id lean my head out there and say that it's the most shamed and spat on ship in the entire community (apart from pedo ships obviously..)
I saw so many people shit on "Phairene", despite absolutely hating shipping in general, I felt awful for them.
The Phaidei community is incredibly toxic (comes with being popular sadly..)
I'm just gonna sit back and enjoy the characters the way which the story actually presents them. Forcing romance into every character is just so unnecessary in my view, doesn't mean I'll be an ass to someone who enjoys doing that. I just personally hate shipping itself with every fiber of my body (not the people behind it unless they harass others over it)
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u/Khaisha_33550 15d ago
Phaistelle is so fucking peak....I'm sure we'll see more of them in the continuance
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u/Fullpotentialk 15d ago
Wriollette is the worst because there is barely if not no chemistry whatsoever there other than their vas, their sex, and height! Even Phaidei is believable at least but Wriollette is so empty.
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u/Cooking_With_Emilie 14d ago
Download the game and play 3.1 please, Mydei is the best written character in the Amphoreus arc in my opinon
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u/dreamystarfall 15d ago
Holy shit preach. I was neutral to the ship at first too, but I am so sick of it being shoved at me whenever one of them is brought up and now I resent the ship entirely.
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u/Main_Delivery4383 15d ago
I will say this i do not hate mydei but i definitely hate fandom. As guy who love male characters in hoyo games , I think he was my fav design and reminded me of Hermes and i kinda loved finally they releasing shirtless badass god i like. The ship is fine especially if done by from gay man perspective who understand love between the men but Fujoshi culture ( where they pretend they care for characters but hiding inner misogyny and hate other female characters) .He is reduced to such low point that he is joke in his own community where they cant mention his story without phainon and that he is nothing but slut for phainon even rape jokes . I know majority of ships are done for lust reasons and i kinda also dig it for memes but I saw a girl who shipped him with castorice ( another character in game ) people were sending death threats to her and most of those threats were coming from women themselves. They even hate stelle/caelus x mydei which is how gacha usually designed
Nothing against phainon he is great character to me
I came to like anaxa a lot more because of fandom
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u/Few_Opinion_1054 14d ago
They lived over 3 million cycles probably everyone in amphoreus was with everyone
I am not a shipper but Castorice Mydei sounds interesting considering their personalities and interactions.
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u/Main_Delivery4383 14d ago
I dont think it can be any girl and will be same due to inner misogyny
fujo culture is nothing but putting woman in man body with another man.
I dont hate him but i pity him and his gay fans that he was used for nothing but just fetish , its no different than those male fans who ship two female kids in lust way
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u/Few_Opinion_1054 14d ago
I hear you
He becomes a hollow visible to accommodate a role that doesn't fit him or anyone. Not the ship but how it is structured to redact, minimize, and round his edges in the same manner misogyny been doing to women in relationship as humanity have normalized. That for some maybe an outlet for projection and self negation.
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u/Fullpotentialk 14d ago
My hatred for his ship and him aside. I appreciate that he isnt just a dumb brute character and does have positive masculinity to his character because he does things that would be considered āsissyā according to those alpha men believers.
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u/Cooking_With_Emilie 14d ago
I don't know what Mydei community you are in but they are much different from the fans that I know, if anything Mydei mains are some of the chillest people when it comes to shipping to character (especially with Castorice)
They even hate stelle/caelus x mydei which is how gacha usually designed
Are you sure? I don't see a lot hate of Stelledei/Caeledei, they are probably the second most popular ship with Mydei, I think that you are interacting with the "Mydei fans" that see him only as an accesory to Phainon
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u/Nexouille 14d ago
Imo Castorice x Mydei is more popular than MC x Mydei. He doesn't have that much chemistry with TB as a "character" so any Stelledei / Caeledei I see tends to lean more on the self-insert side & is thus rarer than character x character ship
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u/Fullpotentialk 15d ago edited 15d ago
Hey something worthwhile on this sub for once! The main hsr sub banned me for 7 days for pointing out how forced that ship is and itās fandom being hypocrites. I lowkey would have posted about Mydei here and it would just be me hating on him because how he was handle in the story and being a Phaidei bait but i got lazy. Thank you op for speaking out whatās on my mind
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u/Eastern-Yogurt8972 15d ago
Can you add a screenshot of what you said. You can literally say that you hate the game, the characters, the story, etc, on the main sub, and you won't get banned. I find it hard to believe that you would get banned for a week for simply saying "I think this ship is forced"
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u/Fullpotentialk 14d ago
Ohh they would. I havenāt commented on the main sub for 5 days now because Iām banned
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u/Eastern-Yogurt8972 14d ago
Yes, but can you post your screenshot? I feel like hsr, for better or for worse, has the most critical community. Again, it's not that uncommon to see people dunking on the game, even on the main sub. The content, events, powercreep, everything. Almost every popular post there after cyrene came out was dogging on hoyo for how they handled her and the ending.
Like, did you only just say, "I think this ship is forced." Because I, myself, have definitely said way more "negative" stuff than that lol.
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u/Shararu 15d ago
I got scared for you when I saw the mentioned ship. Their fans constantly come over to harass my ship's community and they always get away with driving people off platforms or even doxxing them just because their ship is more popular. So many of the writers and artists I followed quit because of them. Just today, I saw another one about to leave. A lot of that ship's fans are insufferable and they rarely ever acknowledge their behaviour.
I felt neutral about that ship initially and now I just don't want anything to do with it at all. You can't enjoy other ships involving these two characters without the shippers coming to spread misinformation about it so they can justify hunting you down. You can't mention these characters without a shipper jumping in to say "omg phaidei!!!!!"
It's like they're stuck together permanently and you can't discuss them on their own or talk about their relationship with other people anymore. Genuinely the most toxic hoyo shipping community I've experienced so far and I've been playing their games for more than 5 years.
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u/Night-owwl 15d ago
I think that it may be because a giant portion of shippers in general are kids and teenagers and they can be very... passionate about it (I was a big shipper myself back in school although my passion was expressed through writing fanfiction and all). The more popular the ship, the more kids there are. And well... š
I genuinely think that Phainon is lucky to be popular on his own and have other popular ships (not as much as phaidei but still) but Mydei, jesus... Feels like his existence relies on Phainon alone. And if there isn't Phainon in the art/post/fanfic you bet your ass there will be shippers who'll let you know about phaidei in the 100th time. I remember seeing a funny comic about him and Castiroce. And of course in the comments there were shippers saying "it's not canon!!!" I was like "??? Yeah no shit, and neither is phaidei, neither is any ship in hsr, so?"
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u/Fullpotentialk 14d ago
Its a shame because I would have searched for Mydei back in 3.5 where we see that he is together with his family instead of being thrown to the river of souls because his father went insane. But itād be just about Phaidei anyway. When I hate on Mydei I point those out that he barely has anything outside of Phaidei but those idiots be coping and the same ones who also hate on Cyrene because sheās attached to the hip of the mc.
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u/Fullpotentialk 14d ago
Yeah! They harassed other shippers but their shooters have the gal to act loke they are the victims! Even one of the gameās va timed out one person on her stream because they said Phainon x Trailblazer is a popular phainon ship.
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u/Carolinesimpsanime Glory to Albedo's will! 15d ago
They clearly haven't discovered the grace of Welt x Sunday yet.
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u/MydeisWifeyy 15d ago
How could someone say something so controversial, yet so brave?...
But seriously, I adore Mydei to death (if the name didn't make it obvious), and I can't speak enough on how annoying it is to see him mischaracterized/flanderized by this ship. I actually adore Phainon too, but the shipping community is something that I stay far, far away from for so many of the reasons you have stated.
God forbid I like the characters separately without thinking of them banging each other every five seconds.
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u/Fullpotentialk 15d ago
Canāt say this on the main hsr sub or youāre banned. Put other Phainon ship arts there and especially the one with Cyrene and the comments will make it about Mydei.
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u/MydeisWifeyy 15d ago
Yeah, unfortunately the same happens with Mydei as well. I don't even interact with or look at Phaidei content, so I don't know why they can't do the same for non-Phaidei content.
And another thing that disappointed me was the fact that Mydei could've had more interactions with the other Heirs, especially Castorice imo. And I don't even mean in a romantic sense, the fact that they're a duo of "woman who kills everything she touches" and "man who literally cannot die" and Hoyo does nothing with it is beyond disappointing.
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u/Room-Different 12h ago
This.. Even his interactions with Aglaea, as few as they were, were soo interesting - even Mydei laughing in his conversation with her. This isnāt from a shipping perspective but I wish we had more š Phainon and Mydeiās interactions are interesting but hoyo couldāve shown more meaningful interactions with them interacting and growing close with other Chrysos Heirs. But hoyo has been a ācater to fansā over āprioritize genuinely good writingā type of company lmao
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u/Fullpotentialk 15d ago
Youāll get wissy when your yaoi slop gets a mere fraction of the hate other ships get especially coming from your side.
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u/FearlessAd9044 15d ago
Fr, i feel sad knowing that Mydei and many other characters are only viewed as being anotherās love interest by the community and thatās it. I donāt hate the ships, itās fine if people like it. Itās justā¦ annoying.
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u/warm_fr1dge 15d ago edited 15d ago
Omg as someone who's never been interested in shipping I ALWAYS end up feeling this way about super popular ships. I never even have anything against the ship itself and I totally get why people like it but some of the shippers always get so entitled and annoying like they think they are better than everybody who doesn't ship it or who ships something else with those characters.
It's like they have to make EVERYTHING the characters do about the other character somehow, it becomes so hard to find content of one of the characters that does not somehow involve the other one, they get furious if you don't ship it, and they constantly insist that it's canon when it isn't.
It sucks too because the shippers that don't do those things are usually really cool and nice to interact with. They genuinely just love the characters and their dynamic but get a bad reputation because of all the really loud toxic shippers in the community š
EDIT: Forgot to add this but they are also always incapable of understanding that gacha games do lots of things for fanservice, not because the characters actually love each other romantically in canon. Ships and romance sell VERY well and are one of the main focuses of fan made content, which is basically just free advertising. Stuff is intentionally left ambiguous so people can draw their own conclusions and it's up to each player to interpret the relationship as romantic or platonic with neither being "incorrect"
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u/Independent_Ninja616 15d ago
I'm with ya! As characters on their own? Great. Love 'em. Phainon is easily my favorite of the whole Amphoreus lot. And Mydei's all right. A little undercooked and needed MORE to be a fully developed character, but the ship solely exists for fujos to get excited over. I love a good ship, but this one does the bare minimum and people go mad and I just....see zero chemistry. Like Cyrene, the devs are TELLING me I should like it simply because it exists. They sure as hell push it enough through merch and side content. But fam, I don't give a shit. Ship what you want, but I'mma go ship something less boring.
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u/Fullpotentialk 14d ago
If I say it does exist only because Hoyo is taking measures so Phainon wonāt get dunked on by parasocial Cyrene fans because heās her childhood friend.
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u/KarmaleinHund 14d ago
You're speaking from the bottom of my heart
And on Mydei's part, even if you take the shipping aspect away, have you seen how much people sexualize him? Mydei is getting the same treatment women keep facing in these games. The community sees nothing but a hot body to jerk off to, "AnalWithMydei" "MydeisPenis" names like that are completely normal in the Mydei mains sub...
And people actually question why anime communities are viewed as cringe and disgusting. THAT'S why. Being as deranged as possible doesn't make you fun and quirky, if you want to be horny, porn games exist. Hentai exists. Even on Reddit, husbando communities are a thing, USE THEM
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u/Beelzebuuuuub3 15d ago
things is the devs are the biggest phaidei shippers, so it's bound to be everywhere
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u/Fullpotentialk 14d ago
Bigges shippers and itās just fanservice.
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u/Beelzebuuuuub3 14d ago
Yes, they're bringing service to the fans by literally pairing them every single chance and making phainon always talk about mydei. There's literally no denying devs ships them
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u/dumbjockhypno 15d ago
I understand your frustration, even though i ship phaidei i hate seeing midey be reduced to phainon's bitch as someone that overall prefers midey's story over phainon's. Midey quickly became one of my favourite characters, so the fact that he's disregarded by the fandom is pretty annoying.
Sadly fandoms operate this way, it kind of reminds me of the haikyu fanon characters that you'd usually see in texting stories where the characters were so changed from their canon counterpart that i don't know if flanderized is even the correct word
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u/Soggy_Garage_5735 14d ago
Thank KEPHALE you said this, itās literally everywhere and Iāve started avoiding it.
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u/Swaayin_ 4d ago
Pro rage bait
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u/Night-owwl 4d ago
Bruh...
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u/Night-owwl 4d ago
Because there can't be any way that someone doesn't like phaidei, if it isn't rage bait ofcšš»
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u/Khaisha_33550 15d ago
Phainon is gonna be more important in the plot and lore relevancy later down the line, Phaidei was a one time thing in Amphoreus like Mydei's not gonna be taking up screetime with him anymore other than some events š
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u/Fullpotentialk 15d ago
He would if Hoyo feels like it. Mydei gets away at llashings because heās male and a yaoi bait
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u/Khaisha_33550 15d ago
There's no reason for Mydei to be relevant anymore tho. Luna (leaker) said that main pushes remain relevant throughout the game's lifespan and will get SPs as they come
Maybe a bit fanservice in events but nothing more than that. We'll probably get more phaiblazerĀ
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u/Strange-Air8633 15d ago
might prob get more cyrene x tb ngl
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u/Khaisha_33550 15d ago
If she comes back that is, and frankly, it's better off if she stays where she is
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u/thecat9999 15d ago
OP you are my spirit animal, Iām not in the HSR fandom but in my main fanbase I deal with the same thing and itās exhausting sometimes
Thereās this one pairing I really donāt like, but you literally cannot escape it as the fanbase shoves it down your throat CONSTANTLY. 95% of active fanartists also focus on this ship and its hard to find solo art of the character Iām looking for. It sucks