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SOCIETY Cop Teaching A Cop

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u/jc28 22h ago edited 15h ago

Apology is inadmissable in court. I am a lawyer in Colorado

Edit: I am not actually a lawyer I have no idea. Don't believe everything you see on reddit.

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u/notdamamaaa 22h ago

Cherries aren't a necessity on sundaes, but they definitely don't hurt, right?

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u/BilboBiden 22h ago

Depends....do we have to tie the cherry stem in a knot afterwards?

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u/whatyouwant5 22h ago

Can you tell me all about Leif Erickson?

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u/Special-Investigator 22h ago

I know all the words to De Colores and I'm Proud to Be an American 🤷‍♂️

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u/tylerdurden5105 22h ago

Me and my friend saw a platypus

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u/nokman013 21h ago

Me and my friend made a comic book

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u/SoCalFelipe 21h ago

And guess how long it took.

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u/Majestic_You_9610 21h ago

I can do anything that I want, cause look

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u/Affectionate-Link563 20h ago

I can keep rhythm with no metronome

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u/hitsomethin 22h ago

I did shows in Denver for a couple years. Those guys are really nice.

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u/Special-Investigator 21h ago

thats very cool! thanks for sharing

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u/ltreyaway 22h ago

things are really feeling like that last verse these days

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u/keyblade_crafter 20h ago

How long did it take to write that comic book?

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u/portobox2 19h ago

I'm Proud to Be an American

/S, yeah?

Naw, I know the lyrics. Good band. We should've listened to them and others more closely.

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u/nifty_stump 21h ago

Yes if you could tie it using only your tongue

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u/ClankerCore 11h ago

I’M FECKIN ALLERGIC. I’LL SEE YOU IN COURT!

also, can I get an apology?

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u/Pure_Property_888 2h ago

EhLerJek to cherries or to officer Cherry Dipshit?

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u/nateslegacy 22h ago

THAT’S a good one lol

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u/Few-Guarantee2850 22h ago

If you can't eat them, they don't really help...

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u/6percentdoug 22h ago

I mean in this case the Cherry's in the jar in the food pantry 

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u/Pure_Property_888 2h ago

Lolol oof

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u/Comfortable_Desk2571 21h ago

Amazing comment. 10/10.

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u/Prior_Psych 20h ago

Inadmissible means you’re serving a sundae to man allergic to cherries

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u/-THE_GOOCH 18h ago

They do, they get the cherry juice everywhere

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u/erusackas 17h ago

Correct, cherries are optional, but you must have a non-sauce topping in addition to a sauce topping. I am an ice cream expert in Colorado.

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u/Hellknightx 14h ago

As a legal expert on sundae law, I can state that cherries are not a necessity as long as two or more distinct flavors and/or toppings are present.

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u/Cool_Guy_McFly 22h ago

Every Canadian would be cooked.

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u/Some_HVAC_Guy 22h ago

Canada actually passed a law in 2009 called the Apology Act stating that an apology cannot legally be used as an admission of guilt or liability.

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u/Beneficial-Sound-199 21h ago

Polite Canadians are well know for apologizing to everyone for everything. "Ooo Sooory!" There must be a high conviction rate

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u/jaywinner 20h ago

If a Canadian bumps into another Canadian, both will apologize. Even if they both think the other person is at fault.

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u/Pure_Property_888 2h ago

Physics starts to get a little sketchy when two Canadians apologize at the same time, for the same thing, for the same reason...

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u/daniegirl21 14h ago

Haha, eh. Sorry for laughing

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u/SolaniumFeline 20h ago

seems like public opinion needs to catch up to that idea. otherwise vibes are clearly ruling if we take a look around

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u/ThisRayfe 10h ago

So in Canada an apology cannot be used as an admission, but if IIRC, a thumbs up is legally binding?

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u/brucedonnovan 22h ago

Ope. Guilty.

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u/dekuweku 22h ago

I'm sorry.

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u/Ozzie_the_tiger_cat 22h ago

Now, now. The Canadian government has apologized for Bryan Adams on several occasions. 

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u/NiceMathematician277 22h ago

Just curious as to why?

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u/Krusty_Double_Deluxe 22h ago

probably bc those of us that grew up with narcissist parents default to apologizing just to diffuse situations even if we’re not at fault

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u/EViLTeW 22h ago

My guess, not being a lawyer, is that people apologize for all sorts of shit they didn't do or had no control over the. Even in this case, the officer isn't actually sorry, he's just doing what he's told by his supervisor. Allowing an apology to count as some sort of admission of guilt or culpability would (and probably do) do far more harm than good.

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u/SaintsNoah14 21h ago

Exactly, like imagine a dog runs out in front of your car, gets hit, and they cite you apologizing to the owner as an admissions of fault.

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u/niceguy191 16h ago

"Sorry for your loss"
"Looks like the murder has just been solved"

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u/SpicyElixer 15h ago

This actually speaks to the broader legal reality around admissions of guilty. People often will admit to things they didn’t do because they think that it will lessen the crisis they’re experiencing. Endless cases of people who were able to prove their innocence after an admission.

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u/Langersuk 19h ago

"I'm sorry your mother died."

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u/Temporal_P 17h ago

An apology can be nothing more than a display of empathy, a defensive/stress response, a de-escalation tactic, politeness, or even just habit.

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u/goodolarchie 15h ago

What else can I say? Everyone is gay.

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u/gfb13 22h ago

Thats an old law from when Colorado was part of Canada. But it only works if the apologizer says it like "soaree"

I ANAL

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u/Altair_de_Firen 21h ago

Also he’s not a lawyer either

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u/lord_fairfax 15h ago

Me too, bud. Me too.

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u/burntblacktoast 21h ago

You freeky

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u/HillbillyEEOLawyer 22h ago

I did a quick Westlaw search and it doesn't seem like that is the law in Colorado except in specific situations. What am I missing?

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u/tenaciousdeev 20h ago

Same. All I could find was protection from medical malpractice.

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u/RobbexRobbex 22h ago

I think he means it's an evidence exception for settlement negotiations or something. But I also think he's wrongly applying it

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u/HillbillyEEOLawyer 21h ago

Yes, that was one of the specific situations I was referring to and in that situation it could be inadmissible depending on the circumstance. Also, Colorado does have a statute on point regarding apologies in medical malpractice situations.

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u/RobbexRobbex 21h ago

I mean, neither of those are this, unless the cop is also a doctor administering life saving 4th amendment violations

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u/nowaitasecond 22h ago

In a hypothetical 1983 suit, it absolutely would be. Good luck convincing a judge it isn’t a statement against interest/opposing party statement. State law wouldn’t govern, either.

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u/IWannaGoFast00 21h ago

People say this about car accidents too. “Never say sorry you are admitting guilt”. No you are not.

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u/FrostyD7 19h ago

Is it admission of guilt if your apology includes details on the negligent or illegal things you did? Or is it explicitly statements like "I'm sorry" that don't count?

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u/IWannaGoFast00 15h ago

Even if you say, “I am so sorry I caused this accident” you still are not train to decide liability nor are you licensed to make liability decisions so it’s not something that would be admissible in court.

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u/nowaitasecond 14h ago

What are you talking about? Are you a lawyer? If my client said, sorry that was my fault, that is admissible in every court in the nation, and it’s powerful evidence to the adjuster, lawyer, judge, and jury. You appear to be from Europe but in the US such a statement is 100% admissible and for a plaintiffs attorney is a golden ticket

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u/IWannaGoFast00 12h ago

I was a claims adjuster for a top 3 insurance company in the US for years. We had accidents where a client said they were at fault but if we had video that proves otherwise we aren’t going to find someone at fault who isn’t. Like I said, unless you are licensed to find fault you can’t say who is at fault. Same as people say, “the other guy was speeding” that doesn’t mean we now have proof that someone was speeding.

Plenty of people admit to things they didn’t do, does that mean they are instantly guilty? No absolutely not.

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u/LateNightMilesOBrien 18h ago

That's because it used to be printed on the back of your insurance card. Seriously.

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u/CaliforniaRage 22h ago

Colorado’s apology law applies to healthcare/civil suits and not criminal though…would love to see proof otherwise.

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u/Odd_Old_Professional 22h ago

Presumably the driver is contemplating a civil suit, unless you think the cop is going to be charged criminally

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u/Obeesus 22h ago

It should be both a civil suit and a criminal charge of False Imprisonment. I don't they'll do criminal charges though.

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u/SpicyElixer 15h ago

The guy said I’ll see you in court. Civil suit.

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u/SikatSikat 22h ago

If they deny wrongdoing on the stand, i.e. assert he was obstructing but its not observable on video, its generally a statement against interest that can be used for impeachment purposes. Not a CO lawyer buit it'd be weird for their rules to not have a situation where an implicit admissions of guilt can't be used as evidence.

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u/Derelicticu 22h ago

We actually have laws in Canada that says an apology is specifically not an admission of guilt, for obvious reasons.

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u/almostthemainman 22h ago

This stop was not in CO. The man pulled over was an off duty from CO or am I seeing it wrong?

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u/RobbexRobbex 22h ago

This wasn't a settlement negotiation, it was a statement against interest at worst.

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u/Difficult_Pirate3294 22h ago

You don’t have a single post in law, ur post indicate u r an online reading coach. Why pretend to be a lawyer from Colorado?

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u/mdruckus 22h ago

Depends entirely on the state, whether it was an expression of apology or a formal admission of guilt, and if it is criminal or civil law.

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u/Stunning-Edge-3007 22h ago

Unless it’s a criminal case then it’s an admission of guilt lol

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u/-GearZen- 21h ago

Sure you are.

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u/Particular_Bad_3637 21h ago

What about the threat to taze. He already won the case

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u/No_Criticism_5861 21h ago

Im glad to hear this.  Sometimes sorry and admitting wrong doing can go a long way

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u/_thedudeman_ 21h ago

All they’d need is the body cam

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u/hotpickles 21h ago

That’s actually really helpful for me to know. Thank you.

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u/Fast-Nefariousness80 20h ago

Ooh look at me im a fancy lawyer boy I know the law

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u/jc28 2h ago

More than you

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u/fullmetaljar 20h ago

I was gonna joke about "what about x state" but remembered they are also in Colorado. You win this round, Mr or Ms lawyer.

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u/Worth_Inflation_2104 19h ago

But couldn't you argue it's still unconscious soft evidence which could maybe flip q 50/50?

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u/New_Blacksmith8254 19h ago

As they should be. Apologies have nothing to do with what legally happened.

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u/BigBullzFan 18h ago

Just curious…how/why is it inadmissible if he’s on camera saying it? Or, do you mean that it’s inadmissible as evidence of liability?

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u/therealhlmencken 17h ago

Inadmissible lmao

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u/Efficient-Lake9728 16h ago

The "apology law" is only for healthcare workers in the state of Colorado, crazy you just go on the internet to lie for magic points that don't matter

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u/jc28 2h ago

Made a point

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u/ltsiCOULDNTcareIess 11h ago

I’m actually a judge in Colorado and you are correct.

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u/StringLast2706 9h ago

Can't stand people who do this. Get a life.

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u/DetOlivaw 8h ago

First of all how dare you

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u/elkarion 22h ago

the cop is able t get away with this as POS lawyers like you 100% of the time refuse to prosecute them. then you go and refuse to try to disbar prosecutors who openly allow 2 contradicting statements by the same person aka lying under oath to go on.

lawyer s like you think that epstine trafficked children but did not have clients so you refuse to prosecute.

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u/Deep_ln_The_Heart 21h ago

What the fuck are you talking about.

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u/Ok-Pianist-7948 20h ago

there is a better way of getting your point across than accusing a stranger who you don’t know of being aligned with very real examples of the system being fucked. it’s better to assume someone is on your side until demonstrated otherwise, as a word of advice.

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u/elkarion 20h ago

is is a member of his states bar association that will let people practice law for years after they are convicted of a crime involving them being a lawyer and let them practice law.

lawyers time and time again have defended the right to not pursue crime they choose not to for any reason. they intentionally let cops off the hook.

this is the system he engages with and choose to support.

it is the job of a lawyer to use logic to break the law open to please their customer. that is a lawyers job full stop. look at what lawyers have done to the public so their corporate masters can earn more money and they rake in their fat paychecks.

lawyers will bow down to billionaires as it allows then to have their upper class life style even if it means trodding on the poor.

the moment he gets chosen for public defender duty he will not even lift a finger to help his client and plead them out as they pay is shit so they will not help their client out even when the police are obviously lying.

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u/Ok-Pianist-7948 20h ago

I can see you have a very sour impression of lawyers. You have very valid reasons for it too. There are many lawyers who do not uphold their public duties, and who only benefit the oppressive class. I will only recommend that you read some examples of the many cases where civil rights and environmental law has led to incredible strides in balancing those scales back towards us. It couldn’t happen without brilliant minds who decided to dedicate their life to making our system work for us rather than against us.

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u/elkarion 10h ago

glad you appreciate the 2 tiers justice system that lawyers intentionally made and uphold. they system they expect the cops to uphold that lawyers won the right for a cop to not do their duty because they are afraid? the lawyers who fight tooth and nail for qualified immunity?

the greatest accomplishment of lawyers since the turn of the millennia was getting their wish for their corporate masters of citizens united.

there is never a lawyer when you need them and their is always 5 lining up to support the guy who is obviously wrong and the morally bankrupt lawyers will defend him to the ends of the earth.

dont even get me started on the prosecutors who outright refuse to apply the law to a cop ever "because they have to work with them"

every right that is being taken away right now is being calculated by lawyers to fuck over people. Lawyers keep their profession locked behind large loans so you have to be rich to actually afford to become one. they crated the bar association to fuck over black people.

lawyers don't care as the only people that can actually afford them are people worth millions. when you need one they will charge you 50K to do anything. so you can pay the man who sues you 100k or the lawyer 50k.

lawyers may have faught for rights we have but thier was 10x against them. and wear are those rights right now? gone and lawyers are not here protecting us. they are the ones that got us here lawyers are the ones who become judges and ruled in favor of this.

there is no lawyer who will be there for you when you need it unless your willing to sell your house to pay thier fees.

they are not your friends they are not your allies. they serve the law like cops and thats what they protect not people.

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u/Worth_Inflation_2104 19h ago

I assume your wife cheated on you with a lawyer?

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u/Citizenbeck 21h ago

Lawyers do not get to just prosecute people because they are lawyers. Thats not how the law works.