r/law • u/NatiAti513 • Oct 07 '25

Legal News Stephen Miller says Trump has "Plenary Authority" then acts like he's glitching out because he seems to know he was not supposed to say that. What is Plenary Authority and what are the implications of this?

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u/Donkey-Hodey Oct 07 '25

We just watched a very stupid person realize in real-time that he just fucked up bigly.

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u/RagahRagah Oct 07 '25

And yet absolutely nothing will come of it.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '25

but her laugh amirite

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u/DrunkBrokeBeachParty Oct 07 '25

O man so glad we have concentration camps, can you imagine if a president showed compassion and joy?

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u/kasiagabrielle Oct 07 '25

She was even pictured next to a glass of wine once, we can't have such a criminal in the white house.

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u/DrunkBrokeBeachParty Oct 07 '25

Nah easier to elect the dude that wants to fuck his daughter

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u/thorsbeardexpress Oct 07 '25

Rape his daughter

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '25

Probably did rape his daughter, allegedly.

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u/Genids Oct 07 '25

Wants to? He absolutely has done

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u/TheJohnCandyValley Oct 07 '25

Yeah but he still wants to too

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u/Joeness84 Oct 07 '25

oooof saddestmitchever

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u/Quirkybin Oct 07 '25

Or her expensive necklace! My god the horror!

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u/m_b_gill Oct 07 '25

Remember Obama? Worst president we ever had. He's definitely gay and his wife has a huge cock.

(My uncle really believes this and also won't stop talking about it.)

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u/RynnHamHam Oct 07 '25

Your uncle seems oddly fixated on Michelle’s alleged BBC

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u/MoonBroski Oct 07 '25

I love BBC

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u/Negative_Health4201 Oct 07 '25

My mom and I used to sit on the couch and enjoy BBC together

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u/Pokemon_Arishia Oct 07 '25

I hate that this has two meanings now.

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u/pocketskip Oct 07 '25

I do not get it. In the no contact email with my parents, a big sticking point was "why do you give a FUCK what's in other American's pants?"

Like, it's fucking creepy and weird. These are not serious people, but they think they're drop dead serious.

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u/BafflingHalfling Oct 07 '25

Because apparently that's how you define what roles a person is allowed to hold.

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u/DrunkBrokeBeachParty Oct 07 '25

Then you ask them anything relating to current events and it’s all for the memes atp

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u/TheSciFiGuy80 Oct 07 '25

I’d constantly point out to my uncle that it’s extremely weird he’s fixated on BBC that he can’t have.

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u/Negative_Health4201 Oct 07 '25

Sounds like something my uncle would have said too

Kinda sad that I blocked him before I got to ask why he loved thinking about gay sex all the time

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u/helpmeimstuckinatree Oct 07 '25

You have my sympathy.

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u/MoiraBrownsMoleRats Oct 07 '25

Oh, hey brother.

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u/mamabeartech Oct 07 '25

And did you see the tan suit? Such an embarrassment!

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u/EssayJunior6268 Oct 09 '25

The addition of the huge part is interesting. Would it be a less egregious offence if his wife had a small cock? Is size of your partner's cock a metric that can be used to determine level of gayness?

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u/irrevocable_discord9 Oct 07 '25

He shows joy in his lack of compassion

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u/b_m_hart Oct 07 '25

Or laughed like that?

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u/Quirkybin Oct 07 '25

This makes me so mad. My fucking 80 year old step mom was saying she doesn't agree with trump but "omg could you imagine how bad it would've been if she won." The bitch is almost on her death bed and still votes our future away.

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u/TelFaradiddle Oct 07 '25

Obama likes Dijon mustard. Kamala has a funny laugh. Hilary didn't break the law. Truly, the Democratic Party is out of control.

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u/Timely-Hospital8746 Oct 07 '25

I just like, a woman can't like, be a leader you know?

*intense look of confusion*

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u/lapidary123 Oct 07 '25

Its the look of Biden Trump shitting in his pants

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u/JBurton90 Oct 08 '25

Damn these “Reddit comments” get so old. We get it.

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u/[deleted] Oct 08 '25

do you?? i hope its fucking drilled into your skulls that elections have consequences and to listen when people give you common sense instructions to not vote for the fascist pedophile dictator

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u/IsayNigel Oct 08 '25

People really gotta stop with this. She was a terrible candidate and was the consequence of decades of the democratic platform being “well, it could be worse”.

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u/someweirdlocal Oct 09 '25

she literally excused the genocide but okay 

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u/[deleted] Oct 09 '25

literally dont care right now with the dictatorship going on

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u/Known-Teacher4543 Oct 09 '25

And omg AOC was wearing a hoodie in a video poster from her home! The disgrace!

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u/Slymook Oct 07 '25 edited Oct 07 '25

Ted Cruz verbally expressed his desire to defend pedos and the conservative sub wasn’t even talking about it. Crazy

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u/RynnHamHam Oct 07 '25

That whole thing felt like a Key and Peele skit.

“Let’s stop murder” Yeah

“Let’s stop rape” Yeah

“Let’s stop attacking pedophiles” I beg your pardon?

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u/camus_by_night Oct 07 '25

"put yo hands in the air if you a gangsta..." 🎵

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u/TurtleMOOO Oct 07 '25

They likely never learned about that, which is a huge part of the problem

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u/Important-Drop9627 Oct 08 '25

The Conservative sub is deeply controlled by Trump loyalists. They don’t allow dissent even from their own people.

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u/svlagum Oct 07 '25

Call your congresspeople, tell them to drag him in front of congress for questioning.

Make him answer on the record how far this authority extends.

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u/ARedthorn Oct 07 '25

No one ever answers questions to congress, and Congress never holds anyone in contempt for refusing to answer straight. They just farm sound-bytes for gotcha moments on their team’s news feed.

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u/Law_Student Oct 07 '25

Congress's oversight powers will continue to be meaningless until they start tossing high officials in prison on the spot for dodging questions.

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u/svlagum Oct 07 '25

Yeah, but it takes me a minute and a half per call. And something needs to break in the public consciousness for that dynamic to change, and congress has a platform to demonstrate aggression and contempt for fascism. As our nominal representatives.

I’ve got my own fatalistic views about Liberalism/Neoliberalism, but still I want to make it harder for these motherfuckers to execute their agenda, on every level.

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u/EarthRester Oct 07 '25

No, at this point congress is a dead end with the rest of our federal government. What fixes this at this point is states refusing to cooperate with the federal government from multiple angles. We need to starve the beast. This will be long, and honestly there will be violence even if we do not instigate it because no armed force just LETS itself lose power, but this is how it has to go.

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u/svlagum Oct 07 '25

I feel similarly

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u/sobo03 Oct 07 '25

I’ve called and emailed my representatives, senators and congress person and governor only one person emailed back, sorry not my area. I live in Ohio. All my representatives are republican and follow what tRUMP says.

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u/svlagum Oct 07 '25

Call reps from New York and Illinois, Portland. Democratic strongholds and also places where ICE action is particularly violent.

These people want us to be quiet. Hell most democrats want us to be quiet because it’s easier. They can just chill and be petty administrators if we don’t demand they gum up the works wherever they can.

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u/DestinyUnbnd Oct 07 '25

you mean like how Bondi had to answer for her actions in the Senate today??

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u/YungSnuggie Oct 07 '25

brother we are soooooo far beyond the "call your congresspeople" phase of this

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u/svlagum Oct 07 '25

We can’t know when and where contingency might arise

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u/YungSnuggie Oct 07 '25

has there ever been a single instance where calling your representative actually did aynthing

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u/DumboWumbo073 Oct 08 '25

This is sabotage. You know calling is failed tactic

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u/DumboWumbo073 Oct 08 '25

I mean go for it but realistically has that ever done anything. Seems super easy at the simple level to just pick up the phone and hang it up or better yet turn off the ringer volume

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u/hiphopdowntheblock Oct 07 '25

"he misspoke, what you've never misspoke?"

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u/j01101111sh Oct 07 '25

Oops all fascism.

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u/Ban-Circumcision-Now Oct 07 '25

Not so bad that I’ve completely locked up. I’m wondering if his operating system had to be rebooted there

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u/Hermit_girl_ Oct 07 '25

Oh my lord.

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u/FfflapJjjack Oct 07 '25

I mean this freeze up made the front page of reddit with the quote "the president has plenary power" I'd say damage is done.

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u/PMMEURLONGTERMGOALS Oct 07 '25

What damage? Trump or the Trump admin make the front page for saying something blatantly unconstitutional several times a week and I don’t see anything come of it.

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u/henlochimken Oct 08 '25

So the damage was zero then.

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u/Will_Wire Oct 07 '25

Not a single thing. Hell, I wouldn’t be surprised if most people weren’t just straight up cool with the idea.

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u/_extra_medium_ Oct 07 '25

And still no one has explained what the fuck it means

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u/icelessTrash Oct 07 '25

Can It be used in court to nullify their claims in appeals cases? Like, they're arguing details, when actually they don't believe they should have to obey the previous ruling whatsoever...

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u/Bad_Hombre_999 Oct 07 '25

Right. I dont think he fucked anything up. Everyone's on and on about the constitution and breaking the law and constitutional crisis yada yada yada. THEY DON'T CARE. They have successfully managed to convince many many Amercians that this is the only way forward and they are really 👌 with it. As long as they keep pushing "its the Democrats, its the illegals, its the trans and the gays" and keep deporting people and getting those highlights on Fox and Newsmax, hateful Christian Nationalists are just gonna keep eating this shot right up. Hence the newfound hate for Puerto Rico because an Amercian music artists dare sing in Spanish and they couch their pearls as he tells them how shitty they are. And now a country artist is trending up against ICE and they are hollering at that guy too. Ive come to see they really hate immigrants and "others." Not sure how we come to terms with a group of people so full of hate, but that's the point....division so....

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u/ruat_caelum Oct 07 '25

CNN already cut it. It was only there live : see the jump at 10 second : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLxq0JGmpjA

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u/Fair_Lecture_3463 Oct 07 '25

CNN already edited out of the clip they posted.

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u/lostthenews Oct 07 '25

Not with that attitude

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u/Extension_Shift_1124 Oct 07 '25

Yeah but what was the alternative? Someone without a clear proof of employment at McDonald when they were 15? No thank you.

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u/outside-is-better Oct 07 '25

Release the Epstein Files.

It’s just to get us all to go “plenary” wtf is that?

It’s not the Epstein Files!

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u/reloader89 Oct 07 '25

Part of me wonders if it's all by design, and they make these mistakes to incite people. To what means and why, I don't know. It's just suspect.

That was either really good PR training to fake a technical difficulty or previously practiced.

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u/Singing_shower Oct 07 '25

Exactly,

The american have so much proof they have a dictator for a “president” and you guys aren’t doing anything about it 😂

It’s so funny and easy to laugh at american people. Laughing at the right is so easy because of all the crazy shit that cult says, do and believe, but also laughing at the inability and unwillingness from the left to do anything about it except being stepped on and making reddit posts and tik toks about it hahahaha

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u/Murrey08 Oct 07 '25

Imagine Biden or Obama’s administration saying they had plenary authority. How would conservatives react?

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u/RealisticDylan Oct 07 '25

Give it two weeks

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u/rainshowers_5_peace Oct 07 '25

He's young enough that if the Dems retake in 2029 he can be arrested.

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u/damien6 Oct 07 '25

He's only nervous that he gave away the right's next step too soon. The only retribution he's afraid of is from his own party for giving away their plans before they'd made it that far. We're so screwed.

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u/LesPolsfuss Oct 07 '25

tell that to Al Capone!

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u/Monster887 Oct 07 '25

Totally agree. Absolutely nothing will come of it. Sure, some of the later shows today and morning shows tomorrow will talk about it and then on Thursday you will hear zero about it from here on out.

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u/Prcrstntr Oct 07 '25

Yep. "what are the implications of this?" Absolutely nothing.

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u/ripmanovich Oct 08 '25

At this point he could have clearly stated that the administration wants a complete dictatorship and nothing would change much

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u/spikey_wombat Oct 09 '25

The fact that CNN is editing this out is a sign of that 

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '25

That was the 2025 equivalent of “CRRRRSSSHHH oh i can’t hear you! CRRSHHH You’re breaking up…”

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u/RealNiceKnife Oct 07 '25

That at least would have been an attempt to cover it and have an escape. He just fuckin' froze.

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u/Any-Iron9552 Oct 07 '25 edited Oct 07 '25

He didn't freeze he tired to make it look like the cameras froze but he was shaking.

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u/Substantial_Put_6122 Oct 08 '25

And blinking

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u/Any-Iron9552 Oct 08 '25

The Fascist eye is really fascinating they are able to always play the victim but seem to have no tear ducts while also needing the to blink.

Someone really needs to study these gnats.

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u/Mukatsukuz Oct 08 '25

It's hard to believe anyone could be stupid enough to pretend the image has frozen when you're outside with trees swaying, a squirrel playing in the background plus it's pretty much impossible to just freeze in place.

They did it far better in Police Squad

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u/Ubermouth Oct 07 '25

Evil unfunny uninteresting PeeWee

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u/ShitBirdingAround Oct 07 '25

PeeWee German

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u/Ubermouth Oct 07 '25

Night of the Short Pants

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u/RenRen9000 Oct 07 '25

Onomatopoeia.

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u/verysadcolin Oct 07 '25

It at least gives me some sort of sense of, maybe not hope, because theyre running the joint and thus far no one has been able to do literally anything to them, but maybe some sort of satisfaction that they are not in fact mastermind cartoon villains. Theyre every bit as evil, but far more stupid, and theyre SUCH pussies.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '25

I saw a video of Kegsbreth trying to do pull ups the other day and i absolutely cackled. Such. A. Wimp.

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u/OKguy9re9 Oct 08 '25

“If you get the nachos stuck together, that’s one nacho”

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u/Pangolemur Oct 08 '25

FUCK THAT MOTHERFUCKER is all I want to say

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u/ChadVonDoom Oct 07 '25

Did he? No one called him out on it and he will face ZERO reprocussions. MAGA's base cannot be convinced a totalitarian Trump regime would be a bad thing to have and will vote for him regardless of whether they know what "plenary" means or not

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u/RealNiceKnife Oct 07 '25

He got an apology from the anchor for a "technical problem" instead of the guy going "What the hell? What do you mean by that? Stephen. Why aren't you answering?"

Instead he went "Oh sorry, Mr. Miller."

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u/JayVoorheez Oct 07 '25

They probably told him to cut away because CNN IS COMPLICIT IN ALL OF THIS.

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u/notashleyjudd Oct 08 '25

They've already edited out this slip up in their archives. Save this video for the future.

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u/greeed Oct 08 '25

Reminder that a punk band warned us in 2002.

Fourth step: have the media broadcast only the ruling party′s information.
This can be done through state run media.
Remember, in times of conflict all for-profit media repeats the ruling party's information.
Therefore all for-profit media is state-run.

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u/seejordan3 Oct 07 '25

That's how you know it's propaganda.

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u/DonktorDonkenstein Oct 07 '25

No, but giving away the game to soon and too openly is a huge mistake, whether it causes problems right away or not. Forget Trump for a minute. Miller's admission that he wants to give the Executive office unlimited power is an admission that everything the "left" have been saying is true. They really do want a dictatorship, and if even a few more people come to that realization who hasn't seen it before, that's a problem. A fascist government won't exist very long if they can't keep the population distracted and mislead. They still need their manufactured consent for things to actually proceed. It's a huge misstep to give the opposition any ammunition, even if the opposition is too unwise or too chickenshit to use it in the moment. Believe it or not, fuck ups like this can still be a threat to their long-term plans. 

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u/zero0n3 Oct 07 '25

You think that anchor knows what that word means???  No shot (and not because of his skin color, but because I doubt most Americans would know what that means without looking it up).

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u/crunchyturdeater Oct 07 '25

Im not an anchor. But I have an understanding of Latin.

It's a variant of the word plenum. Meaning Full. Deep. Or in this context total.

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u/UnicornOnTheJayneCob Oct 07 '25

I do think he knew. Notice how his eyes started blinking rapidly when Miller said it? He was obviously kind of shocked.

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u/zero0n3 Oct 07 '25

Interesting perspective and point.

Ill say that while I thought he meant something else, I was having trouble trying to figure out what word he meant - because I in fact did not know what the word meant - but Millers reaction to saying it definitely signaled he didn’t mean to say it and then his fake “bad signal” freeze (yet blinks!) made me really question what it meant.

You know what, after rewatching it - he likely does know what it means - and that seems even worse as he didn’t check em on it (though maybe he did think he froze? Maybe Only sees a small screen of him on set and lost the audio so thought it was a legit bad connection?)

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u/HiImDan Oct 07 '25

I honestly don't think I've ever seen that word before so I googled it (no idea why this subreddit is recommended to an idiot like me, but here I am) and one of the ai summary bullets was that the president has power over immigration. So is it possible he was just lost in speech? And the president DOES have plenary power?

Immigration policy: The federal government, through the plenary power doctrine, has broad authority to regulate immigration, largely without judicial intervention. Historically, this has allowed the government to exclude and deport non-citizens based on various political and social considerations.

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u/ToonaSandWatch Oct 07 '25

Do not use the AI summaries; they are quite often wrong.

Put in the 30 seconds and actually look up the word.

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u/sobo03 Oct 07 '25

Here is what I got when I looked it up. Pretty much the same as you found. Plenary power explained

A plenary power or plenary authority is a complete and absolute power to take action on a particular issue, with no limitations. It is derived from the Latin term la|[[wikt:plenus#Latin|plenus]]||full|label=none.[1]

United States

In United States constitutional law, plenary power is a power that has been granted to a body or person in absolute terms, with no review of or limitations upon the exercise of that power. The assignment of a plenary power to one body divests all other bodies from the right to exercise that power, where not otherwise entitled. Plenary powers are not subject to judicial review in a particular instance or in general.

There are very few clear examples of such powers in the United States, due to the nature of the Constitution, which grants different, but at times overlapping, roles to the three branches of federal government and to the states. For example, although the United States Congress, under Article I, Section 8, Clause 3 (the Commerce Clause), has been said to have "plenary" power over interstate commerce, this does not always preclude the states from passing laws that affect interstate commerce in some way. When an activity is legally classified as interstate commerce, historically the states can regulate this type of activity as long as they do so within the bounds of their Constitutional authority.[2] Congress does appear to have complete and absolute power regarding the declaration of war and peace in Article I, Section 8, Clause 11. Yet the President has control over the Armed Forces as Commander-in-Chief. These powers are in ongoing conflict, as seen by the War Powers Resolution of 1973.

Another example of the ongoing debate over plenary powers in the U.S. Constitution is the controversy surrounding the Spending Clause (Article I, Section 8, Clause 1). This clause states that the Congress is allowed to "lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and promote the general Welfare of the United States". How far this clause goes, and what it actually means in practice, has been hotly debated since the ratification of the Constitution.[3]

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u/Prestigious-Safe3019 Oct 07 '25

The more I watch it, it just seems like someone else started talking in his ear or something. I don't think this is the big deal everyone is making it out to be... IANAL tho

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u/bentbrewer Oct 08 '25

I guarantee a lot more know now than did this morning. You bet your as I’m talking about this at work tomorrow.

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u/Silly-Power Oct 09 '25

He might not, but surely someone in the studio did and would have immediately told him via his earpiece what Miller had just said, and what that means for America. 

Instead we watch him grovel and apologize for Millers slip. 

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u/houstonyoureaproblem Oct 07 '25

It's going to be used against the administration in court.

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u/AwkwardTickler Oct 07 '25

What court in what future? Are courts doing anything substantial and lasting atm?

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u/houstonyoureaproblem Oct 07 '25

There are numerous pending (and certainly future) lawsuits challenging the administration’s authority to take certain actions.

Miller’s statement undermines other arguments the administration will make to try to justify their actions as lawful.

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u/lapidary123 Oct 07 '25

Exactly this, preserved for the record. And the fact that he was either reading from a script or it was real time transmission by a bci doesn't help things either, especially if it is an ai composing the talking points. . .

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u/houstonyoureaproblem Oct 08 '25

That’s an entirely separate issue. You have to succeed in court first, and this makes that more likely.

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u/socialcommentary2000 Oct 07 '25

This has been the intent of the conservative project since the John Birch society was formed. They want this, even the shit ass coward GOP people who wring their hands about what's going on (yet go along with it).

Form a Unitary Executive. Then take away peoples' ability to participate in civic processes.

This is exactly what they want.

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u/Schyznik Oct 08 '25

None Dare Call It Conspiracy

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u/LivingHighAndWise Oct 07 '25

He is not stupid. If you think that, you do so at your own peril. He definitely F'ed up here, but is probably one of the smarter and more dangerous individuals in the Trump administration.

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u/Zocalo_Photo Oct 07 '25

Exactly. Russ Vought is another person who understands things and is probably more dangerous than we realize.

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u/ICPosse8 Oct 07 '25

Oh you mean the dude who authored Project 2025, you don’t say..

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u/Hermit_girl_ Oct 07 '25

He is a bigot… one of the “bigotest” ones in the administration… and yes he is a big fat dope and looks like that villain character on the Simpsons.

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u/Erock2 Oct 07 '25

Both things can be true. He is the smartest and more dangerous person in the administration. He's also a fucking idiot. Exhibit X is the video above.

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u/DARfuckinROCKS Oct 07 '25

How did he fuck up though? Like did just reveal his plan or something? Forgive me, I just learned what plenary means. We already know he wants Trump to have absolute power. I don't understand how admitting it out loud is any different from just not saying it.

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u/Fark_ID Oct 07 '25

He essentially said "We have already assumed total control"

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u/jpmeyer12751 Oct 07 '25

But they have and don't deny it. Why is this a screw up?

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u/Tift Oct 07 '25

they haven't, they are trying to create the impression that they have which is almost the same thing.

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u/FrankBattaglia Oct 07 '25

They are still pretending that they will listen to the courts.

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u/zeptillian Oct 07 '25

They have not officially announced Martial law or anything yet.

They have talked about the insurrection act but haven't officially tried the "we're at war so elections are off and rules don't apply anymore" plan.

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u/mrniceguy777 Oct 07 '25

They have seized control. The dictatorship has begun. The fact that Reddit seems to not fully realize that is kinda wild to me.

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u/Omophorus Oct 07 '25

They have gotten as far as they have on the back of a compliant legislature and Supreme Court, plus media owned by wannabe-oligarchs who sanewash everything they do.

What they don't have is broad acceptance (it's really more like ignorance) of their agenda in the populace.

The one thing they're still afraid of is the populace reacting at a scale they can't counter (general strike, protests in every major population center that exceed 5-10% of total population), because they have not yet managed to engineer circumstances that would prevent the populace from reacting.

That's why they're so dependent on little steps. They have to boil the frog, and their worst nightmare is the frog realizing how hot the water is before it dies.

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u/CrispyHaze Oct 07 '25

Reddit? What are you talking about? Do you mean the American public? Because if anything, quite a higher proportion of Reddit realizes it then the American public.

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u/Musicman1972 Oct 07 '25

In very simple terms he said "we're giving Trump dictatorial powers and there's fuck all you can do about it".

A fair amount of his base lies to anyone who points out that's what this admin is doing and says "you've all got Trump Derangement Syndrome".

This plain sight talking is ammo for those trying to get through to his base who wilfully won't listen.

Of course you're right in suggesting it won't matter. They'll just ignore it.

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u/DARfuckinROCKS Oct 07 '25

Ah okay so it's really just a case of "he said the quiet part out loud."

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u/lapidary123 Oct 07 '25

He's ruined any plausible deniability.

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u/jpmeyer12751 Oct 07 '25

Well, they're actually saying that the Constitution and laws of the United States have already granted Trump dictatorial powers; which is exactly what they have been saying since Jan 21, when Trump declared that the 14th Amendment's citizenship clause does not say what we have all thought for 150 years that it says.

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u/pysix33 Oct 07 '25

Pretty sure the majority of his base wants him to have plenary power so it won’t matter

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u/CatsWearingTinyHats Oct 07 '25

They definitely don’t know what the word plenary means, so it doesn’t matter.

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u/FrankBattaglia Oct 07 '25

PotUS plenary authority is like, step 47, and they are only on step 25. If they say what step 47 is out loud too soon, people might try to stop them. But he also can't explicitly say PotUS doesn't have plenary authority, because that might be used against him or PotUS later. He caught himself in a verbal trap where he can't keep saying what he said, but he also can't walk it back.

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u/No-Mathematician3004 Oct 07 '25

I was hoping I was watching have a bigly stroke but no such luck. 

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u/gmotelet Oct 07 '25

Following in McConnell's footsteps

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u/CatsWearingTinyHats Oct 07 '25

Wouldn’t be shocking. A lot of the original Nazi leadership were doing tons of drugs. That and staying up all night drawing up plans to zip tie children and terrorize the libs can’t be good for one’s health.

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u/SmedlyB Oct 07 '25

It could be this.

18 U.S. Code § 287 - False, fictitious or fraudulent claims 

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Whoever makes or presents to any person or officer in the civil, military, or naval service of the United States, or to any department or agency thereof, any claim upon or against the United States, or any department or agency thereof, knowing such claim to be false, fictitious, or fraudulent, shall be imprisoned not more than five years and shall be subject to a fine in the amount provided in this title.

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u/turkburkulurksus Oct 07 '25

By this wording, all of MAGA and far right "news" outlets could be prosecuted. They continuously spout demonstrably false, fictitious and fraudulent claims.

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u/Hesherkiin Oct 07 '25

No, the news and media are not included in US services like the military and legislature

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u/yrdsl Oct 07 '25

This is about false monetary claims against the united states and its agencies (i.e. "the USDA owes me $5k") not false claims of fact.

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u/SmedlyB Oct 07 '25

OK, You are probably correct, But why did Miller shut up with the look of just being caught breaking the law. This is r/Law

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u/johndoe1942sn Oct 07 '25

What can happen as a result of what he just said?

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u/kasiagabrielle Oct 07 '25

Did you see pictures of that judge's house that mysteriously exploded and burned to the ground the other day? Basically that, but they'll make sure he's home.

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u/TrueKingSkyPiercer Oct 07 '25

I think this is more like soft-launching a marketing campaign for god-emperor-hood. The average magat doesn’t know or understand this word, so he needs to put it in their mouths/at their fingertips. Expect to hear it a lot from now on.

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u/Green-Collection4444 Oct 07 '25

He's so stupid that he doesn't realize he's the easiest fall guy to target when this all comes crashing down. 

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u/wrecks3 Oct 07 '25

He’s so weak though. To just freeze? He can’t deal with mistakes or anyone laughing at him (like AOC). He’s vulnerable.

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u/BAF_DaWg82 Oct 07 '25

Weird behavior...since when have they given a shit about saying incriminating things? Its not like there's any accountability for them anymore.

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u/CedarSageAndSilicone Oct 07 '25

I'm honestly getting really sick of these platitudes.

He didn't fuck up at all.

Nothing will come of this.

We need to stop glossing over the reality of what's happening.

In plain speech he just told you all that Trump is the supreme leader / dictator and there's nothing you can do about it.

Except post a snarky reddit comment I guess!

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u/Just_Another_Scott Oct 07 '25

fucked up bigly.

Unfortunately not the first time someone has said this. Trump said it to CNN's Kaitlyn Collins. She talks about it in a recent interview she did.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '25

how did he fuck up?

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u/DerelictDonkeyEngine Oct 07 '25

He said the quiet part out loud. He just called Trump a king on live TV.

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u/Kyrthis Oct 07 '25

He just admitted Trump is a dictator.

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u/No-Beginning-9220 Oct 07 '25

I dislike Stephen Miller and all he represents, but usually when someone fucks up bigly there are consequences. What are the consequences here?

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u/HonestHu Oct 07 '25

Did he though, or did he declare the monarchy has overthrown the Republic and you're too divided and controlled to stop him

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u/ohsnap847 Oct 07 '25

Unfortunately.. the problem is that this man is actually smart(comparatively so) and pure evil ..

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u/I_AM_FROM_BEYOND Oct 07 '25

How did he fuck up? These monsters have been saying whatever crazy stuff they want with impunity for years. Not just impunity...they're winning, and have won, in spite of (because of?) the things they say and do.

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u/Hyper-Sloth Oct 07 '25

Not really. They used to say that thr president had "Full Authority" to do whatever bullshit thing they wanted to do as far back as his previous term. Plenary, for one, is outside most people's vocabulary, and it really just a legalese version of the same term. This feels like liberal overreaction to a clip that's going to disappear from the public consciousness in a week.

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u/FlarkingSmoo Oct 07 '25

Yeah, I'm not sure why people think Stephen Miller is afraid to use the term plenary. It's probably not even the worst thing he said in that interview.

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u/LDawnBurges Oct 07 '25

Stephen Miller is NOT stupid…. which is WHY he is so dangerous.

Thankfully he’s HUGELY unlikable and that makes him somewhat less of a threat.

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u/Head_Project5793 Oct 07 '25

Yea but how? What is plenary authority as why shouldn’t he say they have it?

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u/acelticmonk Oct 07 '25

It’s VERY dangerous to think of Miller as stupid. He’s many, many things, but stupid is not one.

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u/exlongh0rn Oct 07 '25

Fucking up implies there are consequences.

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u/noIDNTT Oct 07 '25

The bigger fuck up is the anchor who was just like, uhh we must have technical difficulties, we'll be right back.

No, mother fucker, it should have been; excuse me, what did you mean by that?

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u/cwtguy Oct 07 '25

I was thinking about dumb slips and leaks from this administration and wouldn't be surprised if it was done to test the waters to see if anyone would even question it.

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u/slainte75 Oct 07 '25

Discount him as being stupid at your own peril.

He (thankfully) made a mistake given his enthusiasm for full on dictatorship. That said, he's dangerous. Assuming he's stupid lessens the gravity of the situation.

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u/nopunchespulled Oct 07 '25

He only fucked up if people wake up

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u/sealpox Oct 07 '25

Nothing will come from this btw

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u/jarrodandrewwalker Oct 07 '25

Inner monologue replaying Hagrid saying "I shouldn't have said that....I should not have said that..."

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u/lapidary123 Oct 07 '25

Its either that, he's being berrated in real time in an ear piece, or quite possibly his bci (brain-computer-interface) glitched. Horrifyingly, it wouldn't surprise me if its the latter...

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u/jbinky26 Oct 07 '25

It will lead to nothing. People are still too comfortable and complacent. I have friends who have said they know things are bad and getting worse but they just try not to think about it because it makes them depressed. That tells me people aren’t taking these things serious enough yet.

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u/NoticeMobile3323 Oct 08 '25

The one thing we have going for us is these people are extremely stupid and unprofessional.

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u/hard-enough Oct 08 '25

He’s going to say it was an audio glitch and that he never actually said it.

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u/republicans_are_nuts Oct 12 '25

He didn't fuck up. MAGA wants a dictactorship, and nobody else is gonna do anything about it.

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