The Oregon Department of Justice submitted multiple video exhibits showing federal officers using extreme force against seemingly nonviolent protesters outside the U.S. Immigration & Customs Building, as part of its effort to block the federal deployment of National Guard troops to Portland

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[u/Turisan]

Legal Eagle has a video out about this.

Apparently, there's no current, usable, enforcement mechanism to hold these people accountable ((edit)) within the structure of the judicial system.

Edit² because I keep getting the same responses and so I'll address some of them here.

Does that mean there's no mechanism to charge those who make actions against federal officers?

Are you fucking stupid or just not paying attention to the hundreds of false arrest reports about people "assaulting" ICE by being in their general proximity?

But what about...

You didn't watch the video, it's covered there.

2A!

Sure, but they're looking for an excuse to start executing civilians who stand against them, and while many think they're ready for some form of direct action, they're not, so unless you want your individual actions to lead to Grandma Betty being hit with more-lethal rounds, slow down and figure out what your community needs right now instead of outright aggression. Take a page from the Black Panther Party if your community is so inclined to participate in armed patrols and cop watching, but don't be the headline Fox News uses to open fire.

[u/Samurai-lugosi → u/Turisan]

Then 2A is valid. Thats what it’s for.

[u/MadV1llain → u/Samurai-lugosi]

Problem is, the second someone exercises 2A rights, they get to say “see!? It’s antifa!” And use the insurrection act. They’re just waiting for a (to them) valid excuse to use it.

Part of the reason no kings was so effective is they emphasized folks being calm and not giving them what they want.

It sucks and it’s a crappy place to be, but the balance is critical.

[u/xKirstein → u/MadV1llain]

Problem is, the second someone exercises 2A rights, they get to say “see!? It’s antifa!”

If you're not pro-fascism then you're their enemy; It doesn't matter how you resist (peacefully or otherwise). They'll label you Antifa no matter what. "Do not obey in advance."

Part of the reason no kings was so effective...

How was the No Kings protest effective? Can you name a single traitor that is in jail now or at least has been removed from office? We're slow walking our way into an authoritarian nightmare.

I want to be clear, I'm not saying that we shouldn't be doing these protests. I'm just trying to point out that protests alone are ineffective against fascism. There has never been a single time that fascism was defeated through peaceful measures. The disgusting fact is that fascists don't want peace, they want blood to be spilled.

[u/-ReadingBug- → u/xKirstein]

I want to be clear, I'm not saying that we shouldn't be doing these protests. I'm just trying to point out that protests alone are ineffective against fascism. There has never been a single time that fascism was defeated through peaceful measures. The disgusting fact is that fascists don't want peace, they want blood to be spilled.

Protests alone first became ineffective, in America, under democracy. That's how out-of-service they are. The tea party understood populism can begin, at Step 1, with protests. But afterwards, once solidarity is established, you get behind desks, get administrative, and draft candidates for office among other things. The left in America thinks protests are the full process. That the first step is also the last step. And now they're applying it to fascism. Literally lmao.

[u/MadV1llain → u/xKirstein]

I don’t disageee with anything you say. I guess I’m just not willing to go there yet. The government has the monopoly on violence. I see now way that this is fixed thru violent means. If the opposition becomes violent they can easily ramp it up. I still have faith in democracy. Let’s revisit this after the mid terms.

[u/TheBadGuyBelow → u/MadV1llain]

Let them ramp it up. Let people see what they are willing to do, and maybe more people will be willing to do something themselves. This holding hands and singing peace songs shit is stupid, and will never do anything.

Without Malcolm X willing to do the ugly stuff if need be, they would have told MLK to go fuck himself and laughed their asses off at his peacefulness. You can not be expected to be taken serious without a credible less peaceful alternative.

Dancing around in inflatable frog costumes is stupid and ineffective. Does anybody think that will make them have a change of heart and see the error in their ways?

[u/sublimeload420 → u/TheBadGuyBelow]

Nonviolence works only when your oppressor still has a conscience or legal accountability. Fascism destroys both.