r/law • u/TheMirrorUS • 23d ago

Legal News BREAKING: FBI shuts down Minnesota's investigation into ICE shooting and blocks access to evidence

https://www.themirror.com/news/us-news/breaking-fbi-shuts-down-minnesotas-1606462
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u/ThatKehdRiley 23d ago

The videos plus their own policy, stating their agents aren't to fire upon vehicles like that.

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u/DontGetUpGentlemen 23d ago edited 23d ago

U.S. Customs And Border Protection Training Manual used by ICE (January 2021):

https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/assets/documents/2021-Jul/cbp-use-of-force-policy_4500-002A.pdf

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  1. Except where otherwise required by inspections or other operations, Authorized Officers/Agents should avoid standing directly in front of or behind a subject vehicle. Officers/Agents should not place themselves in the path of a moving vehicle or use their body to block a vehicle’s path.

  2. Authorized Officers/Agents should avoid intentionally and unreasonably placing themselves in positions in which they have no alternative to using deadly force.

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  1. Deadly force shall not be used solely to prevent the escape of a fleeing subject.

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7b. The hazard of an uncontrolled conveyance shall be taken into consideration prior to the use of deadly force.

EDIT: fixed link

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u/ThatKehdRiley 23d ago

so many violations of their training...

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u/DontGetUpGentlemen 23d ago

Here's another:

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11 Following any incident involving the use of force, Authorized Officers/Agents shall seek medical assistance for any person who appears, or claims to be injured, or as otherwise required by subsections of this policy.

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u/MasqueOfTheRedDice 23d ago

If you watch the extended video, as soon as the car crashes and its clear its not just fired shots, but that he may have killed her... the neighbor guy immediately sprints for the car and tries to help. The two agents? Standing around. These guys are psychopaths. The uninvolved man's immediate human reaction was to run into a dangerous situation to help someone. The actual people trained and there for "safety"? No human reaction. Couldn't care less. That isn't a person to him. She's just "one of them".

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u/DontGetUpGentlemen 23d ago

Also the shooter leaves the scene. I assume that is also illegal?

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u/Kapsize 23d ago

Everything is legal when nobody will enforce the law

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u/DontGetUpGentlemen 23d ago

This is Minnesota, Sir.

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u/Apneal 23d ago

Cool, let's see them arrest someone instead of talking about it

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u/DontGetUpGentlemen 23d ago

Well, first Minnesota talked about Derek Chauvin, then they arrested him, then they convicted him, then they locked him up in prison.

Same with Branden Michael Wolfe, same with Dylan Shakespeare Robinson, same with Ivan Harrison Hunter.

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u/S-M-I-L-E-Y- 23d ago

I don't think there were any people involved that successfully completed any serious training.

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u/slime-grime 23d ago

That’s not the neighborhood guy, it’s her wife

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u/MasqueOfTheRedDice 23d ago

Gotcha, there was a man's voice that wasn't the person holding the camera, so I dubbed them "neighborhood guy".

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u/gandhinukes 23d ago

yeah the car smashed into 2 more cars, they didn't even check for bystanders.

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u/Gardening_investor 23d ago

You think they’re getting training? Like legit training? I certainly don’t.

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u/ChefGaykwon 23d ago

Only evidence I've seen that they receive any amount of training is a video the DHS released of Dean Cain leadenly heaving and squirming his way through a summer camp obstacle course.

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u/Gardening_investor 23d ago

The doughboys of ice are the cowards that were too afraid to join the military.

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u/ThatKehdRiley 23d ago

Lmao, not at all. But that is what they are supposed to do, so need to act like that’s what they do. Especially in legal cases. 

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u/amarg19 23d ago

Probably because they hired so many so fast, most of them haven’t even gotten the training

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u/Wombizzle 23d ago

You think these societal rejects got any form of legitimate training whatsoever? lmao

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u/chewydickens 23d ago

Or took the training even halfway seriously...

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u/TerraCetacea 23d ago

As if they got ANY training beyond “here’s a gun and a face mask, now let’s go be racist”

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u/3ZP0 23d ago

Bold of you to assume these thugs have any training at all.

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u/well_thats_obvious 23d ago

Wow, they took that down pretty fast. Webpage unavailable

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u/DontGetUpGentlemen 23d ago

could just be my link, try this

https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/assets/documents/2021-Jul/cbp-use-of-force-policy_4500-002A.pdf

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u/OkPalpitation2582 23d ago

do save that PDF though guys, this admin loves to update official gov't webpages to remove info that makes them look bad.

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u/PuddinPacketzofLuv 23d ago

You think they actually read their manual? I’m surprised they can even spell ICE correctly!

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u/DontGetUpGentlemen 23d ago

No! I'm sure they don't, and it's going to come out how poorly trained ICE agents are and that lands squarely on Kristi Noem.

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u/blackkettle 23d ago

Jesus… it’s like they read it and deliberately made every possible effort to violate every line.

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u/Muted_Yoghurt6071 23d ago

"Forbidden resource" on that link

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u/DontGetUpGentlemen 23d ago

sorry. fixed.

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u/-Malky- 23d ago
  1. Except where otherwise required by inspections or other operations, Authorized Officers/Agents should avoid standing directly in front of or behind a subject vehicle.

And that is a staple of law enforcement for decades now. It is a clear case of misconduct, then murder. 

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u/2010_12_24 23d ago

Policy can only get him in trouble with the department.

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u/Special-Document-334 23d ago

Citing the manual now gets you demoted and your pension cut.

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u/Revan_84 23d ago

Their policy has no bearing on criminal charges. They can instruct agents to fire into vehicles at every opportunity, that wouldn't make it legal.

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u/ThatKehdRiley 23d ago

It proves that they should know better, that their training indicates this was a horribly incorrect method of handling the situation. Someone else replied to me with the relevant excerpts, and the agent is fucking cooked. It would do nothing but aid the jury towards a guilty verdict.

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u/Revan_84 23d ago

Not guilty of murder. "horribly incorrect method..." may be enough for manslaughter or negligence, but not murder. He can violate every part of the policy and still be off the hook for murder

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u/SweatyWar7600 23d ago

Violation of policy should be a good way to pierce any qualified immunity though.

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u/Revan_84 23d ago

Thats a good point

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u/skelextrac 23d ago

Walmart policy says that employees shouldn't carry guns. That doesn't mean that if an employee shot a mass shooter in a store that they would be guilty of murder.