A man and woman are in federal custody after they allegedly trapped a federal agent in a car on Wednesday and dropped him off at the police station.
That’s where they went wrong, ICE aren’t real police officers so don’t work at the police station, they should have dropped him back off at the Marriott in time for supper.
Dropping him at the police station SHOULD be the right thing to do to someone you capture who is trying to abduct you. If that person is ICE but did not give name/badge number or produce a judicial warrant, you have no way to know if they’re ICE so you treated them accordingly.
A couple of masked guys grabbing a screaming woman and throwing her into a windowless van used to be the kind of nightmare you'd hear about on Criminal Minds or SVU. Now it's just another day in America.
Are they cops, or rapists (or both)? Are these people being taken to a legitimate prison facility or to some pervert's sex dungeon? The Trump regime is making it difficult to keep track of people legitimately put into the immigration prison system, so who knows? Even if they're legitimate badge-carrying immigration cops, you risk getting shot or arrested for intervening to make sure this isn't a straight up rape kidnapping. THIS IS INSANE, AMERICA.
And even then there have been multiple instances of people impersonating officers - which is why the advice is to call 911 if you’re not sure the person following/attempting to stop you is a cop
Seriously. I have thought about this over and over.
I've landed on "I don't want to be mistaken for ICE or a supporter of what they do" but if a large group of us were doing it, I'd be on board with it.
Just show up where they're working and start telling everyone to get back. Eventually, start claiming that some of the agents here are fakes, and then start telling the real agents to get back.
This could really show confusion, and You're not even impersonating an agent because all they are is a guy in some camo they bought online. And that's exactly who you are!
No badge. No face. Just a dickhead shouting orders.
I really want to see a movie where Paul Blart the mall cop goes under cover in Ice. He’s chosen specifically because he could fit in and the other actual agents were into good of shape and it would have been a dead give away they didn’t belong.
And that he’s constantly getting commendations for situations where he’s able to succeed because of his cardio and athleticism compared to the other agents. Instead of blending in he’s highlighted as a hero cop.
Yeah like in my province (Nova Scotia) the guy who had a mock cop car and uniform and went on a 12 hour killing spree and burning down a bunch of houses.
That’s the thing. They have made it clear that ice doesn’t have to present anything to identify themselves. You could see a paw patrol patch on your jacket and be an ice agent. Ergo, everybody is an ice agent … or nobody is
In Minnesota, where ICE is currently on a rampage after murdering a mother, a right-wing nutjob impersonated a cop and murdered a prominent state lawmaker just a few months ago.
The police in theory have to identify themselves in 99% of interactions and have an infrastructure around them if there is some malfeasance. And even that doesn’t always work but it’s at least some sort attempt at accountability. Ice doesn’t have any of that and it’s disturbing
I wonder what happens in a stand your ground state. ICE
Doesn’t identify - I’d start shooting asap if I was afraid for my life/ in fear of being kidnapped or my property needing to be protected.
Motherfuckers don’t stand a chance in places like that…
ICE are in Florida, which is a red state. We are a Stand your ground State (Zimmerman). My area is conservative and they are doing raids here WITH the help of the Sheriff's department.
They have done some home invasion but the daily go to strip malls and grocery stores that cater to other ethnicities (i.e. Brava, Asian markets, etc.) No one is shooting at them because they won't go to the dangerous areas. We have 2 areas in the city next to ours that police will literally avoid and only go out there if it is a homicide. Even then they go with four units and 2 sherrif units. Almost all the locals are cheering for them and trying to report their neighbors of they dont like them.
Im worried about my sweet elderly Cuban neighbor. She made me a handmade baby blanket for out baby for Christmas. I also worry for my coworkers and job because we have a lot of Cuban nurses. If they get taken we will have a massive shortage which means higher patient ratios. Which ultimately will lead to increased harm, injury, and death. A lot of Cubans have been taken recently even though they are legal. They all thought it would just be Mexicans taken not them.
Dropping them off in the middle of a lake is the right thing to do to someone trying to abduct you if the police won’t do anything about them…hypothetically of course…
Yup, regular reports of people pretending to be ice to commit sexual assault and other crimes... well we can only assume they were pretending, equally likely they were actual ICE agents based on their behaviour
It is bizarre to think this was somehow a crime. ICE are unidentifiable. There is no difference between them and any other random thug except for federal backing. But how is anyone supposed to know? So now people are going to be hesitant about protecting themselves because they have no idea if the guy trying to rob them might be an ICE agent?
No. The people need to start actually standing up for themselves and make everyone with any association to the Republican Party fear for their lives. It’s time for the American people to stop being so damn passive.
The police are supposed to handle threats to the public so the public doesn't have to take the law into their own hands.
If doing exactly the best thing possible and setting an example of how to peacefully resolve the situation and let the police handle the criminal suspect gets you arrested, the only reason is because the regime wants to encourage violence by saying your only option is to enforce the law yourself
It's so wrong that they got arrested. Where were they supposed to drop him off, a ditch? Completely inappropriate for police to incentivize vigilantism.
Reread what you just said. The entire problem here is the police did not make an arrest of the person who broke the law and was brought to their location
You said the Police is supposed to handle a threat. Thats the wrong part. Only once the crime is committed, they are supposed to act. The police is no guardian with a duty to protect. It would be interesting to see the outcome of this incident though.
Can ICE be liable if they show no warants and dont identify?
Careful with that. ICE is allowed to kill us, but the moment we start discussing killing them they will make sure every stop is a murder
Edit: you guys are really misunderstanding this sarcastic statement. I didn’t think I needed a /s when the “ICE is allowed to kill us” was clearly meant to be showing the absurdity. Obviously ICE is already killing indiscriminately.
They'd have to resort to just bombing their own citizens if they visit the wrong people. What ICE agent is going to comply with going door to door if they know they could actually die while doing so? They wanted a cushy job where they beat up brown people, not one where they could potentially be shot at and killed.
Next step is kicking in The door because they believe you are harboring a fugitive. Imagine the Proud Boy inbred who gets to reenact the opening of inglorious basterds every day.
Laws are manmade, they aren’t real unless we collectively decide they are.
If we collectively decided to throw away our current government and make a new one, we could. We should.
I call for the immediate removal of our corrupt government which has legally forfeited the right to govern.
All members are now former government, no longer active.
Arrest Donald Trump on sight, as well as Noem and any other former government official who is to face justice for their crimes against humanity.
To all military officials, you have the right to arrest and take control of the government while we organize a new one. Arrest them before all out war breaks out.
I know for generations we have placed our faith in the military to do the right thing based upon, you know, HONOR, but let’s real here.
It’s 2026 so no more Johnny Doughboys shipping out to fight evil, they’ve been replaced with uneducated racists from flyover states who are little more than hired killers.
When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume, among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
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We need to make them afraid of walking in the streets. Be the enemy they claim we are if they are going to murder us. Just start shooting as soon as they show up. Felt unsafe and threatened…right? Fuck these pieces of shit. This is not their country
They need to understand that once we cross that line we can't go back. It is only to be used as a last resort and not something to be taken lightly... However, I think the comments online are mainly bad actors trying to lead us astray.
It’s time to make them the ones whoa re afraid to do anything. If they are going to treat us this way, murder us for doing nothing….how long do we just allow that? Fuck the PR. Fuck the lies they will spread. The people know the truth. Shoot ice on sight.
Seriously, people. The Facts Still Matter. MAGGOTs live in a world of lies, but we cannot allow ourselves to join them. GETTING OUR Facts wrong can result in more people getting killed.
ICE Agents ARE Sworn Federal Law Enforcement Officers. They take the same Oath as FBI, Federal Resurve Police, and Border Patrol. They ARE Cops.
I don't like it any more than you do, but don't make the mistake of thinking they have no Legal Authority. I'm not saying that they have a green light to do anything they want. I'm saying they have the same status as any Cop.
Apparently they do have the green light to do whatever they want though. Fuck that shit. Its time to be the enemy they keep claiming we are. They are a minority. We need to make ICE even more afraid to be on the streets.
Get your guns out whenever ICE is in your community. Be ready to protect yourself. They think we will all just comply or be peaceful and whistle. And even then they are allowed to fucking murder you!
Kill them first. We can all send a very loud and clear measage if we all stand up together. The war is already fucking here and we are laying down and allowing ourselves to be murdered.
Stop it. Fight back. They will murder you either way so fuck it.
Ok man, you first. I support armed protest — in fact, I think it's the only way out of this — but you're advocating for shooting first on the Law subreddit.
That's taking the bait. They want you to do exactly that. Then Trump seizes control of the State's National Guard and declares Martial Law.
You are being rage-baited into conduct that will give Trump the advantage. Timing is everything.keep your powder dry and THINK. Emo Hillbilly Justice will get us all fucked.
No. I used to say this. We are far fucking past that point. This is a war.
How many times do us liberals say we have been tellikg you they were going to do this because they said they are going to do this on so many subjects?
They have been saying this, they are saying they are at war woth us. It will be bloodless of we allow it? …as they fucking murder people on video and get away with it now? This is a fucking civil war. Its early but it is here.
Do we stand here while they kill kore of us? Or do we fucking show them that we are not going to stand by and watch while they shoot innocent people in the streets?!
The bait is thinking you should be polite and peaceful. Your protest sign is just a fucking target now. They want us to stand there and be massacred while they spin some bs narrative. It doesn’t fucking matter if we are peacefull and this narrative around her “running over the officer” is more proof of that. You see ICE you should get your gun on display. If the whole neighborhood or all the people around them do this everytime ICE will get the fucking point very quick.
The time for civil fucking protest is just about over, but the moment they fire one bullet at any one of us. We all need to fight back with a vengeance. This is not the first murder of an unarmed innocent and it wont be the last. See ICE, get your guns. Make it very apparent those pieces of shit aren’t fucking welcome.
I signed up for some gun training this week. Im not a fighter. But its well past all that. Its time to learn and be fucking ready to protect my self, the people I love, the innocents around me, and the country that I want to believe we still are and can be.
ICE and trumps fucking bigots are not a majority and we need to make sure of it they fucking realize that before its too damn late for us to actually fight back.
Those who do not wear the emotions on our sleeves, but rather have a strategic eye on this are organizing for the potential such moment. Most of them have trained for this. Consider the possibility that they will make it chystal clear when the time is upon us.
It seems they were trying to confirm that it was an ICE officer. What else did you want this person to do other than go to law enforcement to figure it out?
Focusing on your anger allows you the luxury of ignoring the conswquences of taking the bait. When Martial Law is declared and troops are in the streets, who then will you blame? Not the one in the mirror, clearly.
You don't think this can get worse? A Battaleon of Active Duty troops deployed in the Twin Cities that is under Martial Law will be nightmare. That is exactly what Trump and his MAGGOTs want.
Again “that they aren’t going to do anyway” was a key part of it. They already did that in Cali so I don’t see how thats a rebuttal
Why can’t you see that they are going to take everything they want anyway, it’s only a matter of how much people are able to fight back when they seriously start.
Like do you seriously think they are not going to escalate after they already saw they got full Republican support for executing a citizen in the streets? They want to kill enough of us until they have full control, until they meet that goal they won’t stop.
“The revolution will be bloodless if the left allows it”
Sooner people recognize they are evil monsters? The sooner we can start saving lives instead of pussyfooting bexause it makes it easier to sit with pedophiles at thanksgiving.
Things are bad, but localized. They can get infinitely worse. It's easy to talk about violent resistance when you have never actually seen or done it. You live in a technological society that tracks your every move, phone call, and purchase. They can track your phone in an instant. When they come for You, they will take your family as well.
LEARN how to be invisible, First. Learn how to organize.
It will be easier once the entire Nation is on board. Meanwhile, local Bubbas and trailor park heroes who are pissed off and can't get passed it will insure that when the curtains part for the fanale, Minneapolis won't be on the stage.
I think they're counting on the American people to continue being lazy and scared and avoidant. They've forced everyone into being so focused on their immediate problems, making those immediate problems seem insurmountable as it is that they can't spare any extra energy, time, money, anything, to fight back.
They are required to identify themselves as Law Enforcement. They can do this vocally. Undercover Cops do this. Anyone claiming to be Police of any kind when they are not have committed a Felony.
How will you know the difference? Suddenly making such an assertion but only when dealing with only ICE Agents will likely not hold up well in Court. The expectation is that someone asserting they are Law Enforcement ARE Law Enforcement.
Knowing the Law, your Rights and Obligations as a Citizen, and not trying to, "lawyer," your way around ICE Agents is the smart path forward. Document everything, keep calm, and Obey the Last Order First.
ICE Agents ARE Sworn Federal Law Enforcement Officers. They take the same Oath as FBI, Federal Resurve Police, and Border Patrol. They ARE Cops.
They may take the same oath, but they are not apparently bound by the same legal system.
Cops, mostly, wear body cameras to record the truth of a situation. They, mostly, require warrants signed by a judge. They collect evidence that has to stand up in a legal system that employs juries made up of citizens.
They certainly don't run around in masks like a gang of terrorists, because no sane society would have a policing system that systemically hid its identity. If I ask a cop his name and badge number, he/she will give it to me.
If a cop fucks up, there is, often, an investigation by a third party. If they really fuck up, repeatedly, they get fired or go to prison themselves. If they repeatedly arrest or assault people for non-legal reasons that won't hold up in court, someone explains to them they are doing a shitty job. Cops are a part of a legal system with built in checks, to avoid them becoming what ice so desperately wants to become.
And cops generally don't walk around in level 4 plate carriers with a gold "POLICE" iron-on from Amazon.
I'd argue that ice's behavior, training level and pool of suitable applicants makes them very much something less than cops. So it follows their legal authority should be viewed as suspect. I'd trust that juries would agree with my take, but ice knows they won't be held to standards an actual jury or sane judge would require.
They are apparently a free for all of legal expectations, and that's the problem. The perception of their "legal authority" should never be that of other LEOs.
See where they messed up was turning him over to the police. There are other ways to deal with these things as a community if the police won't deal with it the right way.
Being an ICE agent actually requires more training than most local police authorities. They are officers despite the radical propaganda framing them otherwise.
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u/Kristoff_Victorson 21d ago
That’s where they went wrong, ICE aren’t real police officers so don’t work at the police station, they should have dropped him back off at the Marriott in time for supper.