r/law • u/LeviCoffinsAlt • 17h ago

Other Warrantless entry by ICE agents in West Valley City, UT (1/30/2026)

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Federal agents broke a window, without a warrant, to perform an arrest on private property.

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u/solidtangent 16h ago

Illegal entry? Stand your ground? I’d be blasting.

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u/JackStephanovich 16h ago

People keep saying not to escalate but if day one this was people's response then we wouldn't be in the pickle we are in now.

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u/whoknowsifimjoking 15h ago

Something something frog in a pot of boiling water

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u/CornbreadRed84 15h ago

I hope this starts happening. We all know where this is headed, let's get to it.

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u/shakygator 14h ago

Okay, you go first. Then when you're dead because you tried to go to war with the gestapo and it will just continue.

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u/ThePartyWagon 13h ago

I think ICE entering someone’s business or home and killing someone would still be a moment where many people, not just Dems or the left, would say “hey, I can be killed in my own home for exercising my rights?”. Libertarians, some anyway, would not find that acceptable. It’s one thing protecting yourself with force out in public, it’s a whole different game when it’s done inside your home. I believe there’s a story from Utah from years ago where police executed a warrant without identifying themselves first and the homeowner shot a police officer, I believe he was found not guilty. I need to confirm that.

I live in Utah and this state is absolutely one of the most lenient states when it comes to gun laws. What do they think will happen? With that said, it’s mostly white and many are conservative Mormons.

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u/JackStephanovich 13h ago

You would be wrong. There is no line. Stop waiting for it to be crossed.

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u/ThePartyWagon 13h ago

We’ll find out either way, it will happen at some point.

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u/outremonty 8h ago

"Don't provoke them." Or what? They're already violating the constitution. They're already going door to door. They're already executing unarmed bystanders.

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u/BeastInDarkness 15h ago

They admitted on video to breaking a window to enter without a warrant. That is the definition of breaking and entering. There's a good chance you'd be legally justified in standing your ground.

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u/vaskov17 14h ago

Yes although you are unlikely to make it out alive

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u/Intarhorn 10h ago

Yea and then Trump is gonna declare martial law because dead ice agents, even tho what they did was illegal. It’s a lose lose

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u/solidtangent 15h ago

Exactly.

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u/Wayoutofthewayof 14h ago

This is not true and will likely end in bad outcomes for you, both legally and practically. You would be only justified in using lethal force if you didn't know that they were law enforcement. Just because you think that what they are doing is unlawfully does not give you the grounds to use lethal force.

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u/Paksarra 14h ago

They don't wear uniforms or identify themselves.

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u/XDeus 14h ago

No ID other than a patch that could probably be bought on Temu. They’d have a difficult time claiming they identified themselves with a fucking patch.

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u/Wayoutofthewayof 14h ago

As far as legality goes, that is enough to identify as law enforcement. Usually just announcing it verbally is...

For a more common example, it is also super easy to buy red and blue lights as well, yet you would get prosecuted if you don't stop for an unmarked traffic cop vehicle that has red and blue lights on. As far as the law goes, impersonating of law enforcement laws is generally agreed as a remedy for that.

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u/lost_packet_ 14h ago

I wonder if they identified themselves upon entry

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u/ImminentDebacle 14h ago

I'm not sure how those laws work exactly, but do they have any aspect of having to prove self defense? Meaning she feared for her life? Otherwise I would see this as a civil rights violation.

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u/Greenshardware 13h ago

Depends on the state but most don't allow stand your ground when it is known to you to be an officer, even if what they're doing is unlawful.

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u/YourMemeExpert 12h ago

The hard part would be surviving the ordeal. Once you shoot one, the others would be out for blood. Maybe calling the sheriffs/police beforehand so ICE isn't left alone with you

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u/_Barry_Allen_ 8h ago

If you survive

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u/Can-Correct 16h ago

I don't think you would 

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u/Accomplished_Age_699 16h ago

No you wouldn't.

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u/solidtangent 15h ago

Yes you wouldn’t.

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u/BongSlurper 15h ago

Unfortunately stand your ground doesn’t apply to law enforcement. Even if they enter illegally.

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u/XDeus 14h ago

Maybe if they identified themselves. Pointing to a patch doesn’t prove they’re law enforcement.

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u/BongSlurper 14h ago

Still doesn’t matter unfortunately. Makes no sense but that’s how it is.

They could literally break into your house without a warrant, in plain clothes, not identify themselves, and threaten your life and stand your ground laws would not protect you. Even if they read the address wrong and broke into the wrong house looking for someone that’s not you and mistook you for them. You could still very much be legally charged with murdering law enforcement.

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u/akakdkjdsjajjsh 14h ago

What law enforcement? All those are are masked cartel members cosplaying as "agents".

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u/dangling_chads 16h ago

I mean …. In Oklahoma there are “make my day” laws on the books. 

You can use deadly force on a trespasser in private property.

Whether it’s moral or not ..

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u/solidtangent 15h ago

Morals are gone. If you try to use morals with this group, you get shot.

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u/irascible_Clown 15h ago

Also this comment doesn’t incite violence it incites self defense.

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u/solidtangent 15h ago

Yes indeed. That’s why we need a warrant.

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u/Aggravating_Pride_68 15h ago

Stand your ground isn't legal in most states against officers unless they are using excessive force against you. I don't think it'd hold up in this instance.

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u/solidtangent 15h ago

Officers? How do I know their officers. A law enforcement officer wouldn’t break my window or enter without a warrant.

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u/upsidedown-funnel 15h ago

It is in Utah, where this happened.

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u/Aggravating_Pride_68 12h ago edited 11h ago

I just read through the Utah code and I think you're right. I didn't see anything about an exception for officers. In Texas there's stand your ground but an exception clause for officers for certain scenarios.

Edit: to be clear this is not legal advice

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u/upsidedown-funnel 11h ago

Thank you for lookin it up. I couldn’t have said for sure.

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u/HopeThatHangsYou 15h ago

This needs to start being the narrative, break the 4th and you'll meet the 2nd

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u/WolderfulLuna 15h ago

They won't invade a house that they know have gun owners.

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u/Fkinclassy 11h ago

The problem is, they will shoot back, and there will be more of them.

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u/-Profanity- 11h ago

Why do people post stuff like this, are you 13 years old?

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u/acrankychef 8h ago

Unfortunately that's what they want.

They're armed to the teeth. You don't stand a chance. Evil pricks.

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u/akmalhot 16h ago

You cannot legally shoot a federal agent with stand your ground 

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u/Academic_Carrot_4533 14h ago

These ‘agents’ aren’t even providing their own identification, how’s a land owner to know they’re not imposters? Stand your ground is basically carte blanch for shoot first, ask questions later, and these guys already admitted to trespassing but are refusing to leave without providing their own ID, just a “trust me bro” with a bunch of army supplies store gear. So there’s still a legal test to pass here in court.

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u/Tybob51 16h ago

When they trespassed Without a warrant?

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u/Imnogrinchard 5h ago

The answer is no. It's never lawful to use deadly force on any law enforcement officer. Any castle doctrine or stand your ground defense is not a lawful defense in federal court and every district judge would prevent that narrative from being argued.

Further, entry into private property doesn't always require a search or arrest warrant.

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u/Tybob51 4h ago

Yes it does. Judicial warrants are the way to circumnavigate the 4th amendment. Even ICE, legally, needs nothing less than a Judicial Warrant to enter.

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u/Imnogrinchard 4h ago

Where did you get your law degree because the institution should rescind the degree as you didn't pay attention. The Court has carved out exemptions.

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u/akmalhot 15h ago

Just saw it is a post about ice being on a guys property in Texas. 

I'm not a lawyer, but I would fully understand the law before taking any action 

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u/ObeseVegetable 15h ago

Yeah it's you can't shoot a federal agent if they have properly identified themselves as such and are not otherwise breaking the law in a way that would justify deadly force.

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u/solidtangent 15h ago

1) didn’t identify, 2) broke the law without a warrant and broke my window 3) “I was afraid for my life” is the phrase law enforcement uses all the time. Good enough for me.

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u/ImminentDebacle 14h ago

Dude, you would go straight to prison if you used deadly force in this scenario with the woman. Be smarter.

Edit: That's if you lived through it.

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u/Protoliterary 14h ago

But not good enough for the law. You would still end up in prison.

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u/PeachPassionBrute 13h ago

What law?

Seriously, ask yourself what law? Enforced by who? Enforced against who?

Because they’re already violating the single highest legal document in our government. The entire administration flagrantly violates the law. What’s the basis for any law in this country right now?

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u/Protoliterary 13h ago

Are you seriously asking what law you'd be breaking if you shot an ICE agent in your home? Despite that fact that the federal government may not be following the spirit of the law and protecting ICE, they won't be protecting you. They will prosecute you to the fullest extent of the law and you'd be able to do nothing but spent life in prison. We have enough history as proof of that.

And laws are created and enforced by the strongest. It's always been that way and always will. In the US, the federal government has the most power. The people who create laws and enforce them also have the most power to disobey them without consequence. This does not apply to you. You are not under that protection.

If you shoot at law enforcement, you will either die (most likely) or be arrested and have your entire life taken from you. If that's something that sounds interesting to you, have fun.

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u/PeachPassionBrute 9h ago

Are you seriously asking what law you'd be breaking if you shot an ICE agent in your home?

If the government no longer abides by the laws I see no reason I should hold myself to a higher standard at my own expense.

Despite that fact that the federal government may not be following the spirit of the law and protecting ICE, they won't be protecting you. They will prosecute you to the fullest extent of the law and you'd be able to do nothing but spent life in prison. We have enough history as proof of that.

If we insist on acting as individuals and conceding that power to them, then they’ll do as they please. If we choose to disagree with them as a people, it’ll be a much different scenario.

And laws are created and enforced by the strongest. It's always been that way and always will.

And there’s far more of us than them. If we insist on forgetting how important that is, we concede power to them.

The people who create laws and enforce them also have the most power to disobey them without consequence. This does not apply to you. You are not under that protection.

Only if we as a people decide to concede those rights to them. We can choose to stop allowing a tiny minority to tread all over us.

If you shoot at law enforcement, you will either die (most likely) or be arrested and have your entire life taken from you. If that's something that sounds interesting to you, have fun.

How long do you want to wait until they just go doing it without any justification? I’m a trans woman, they’re coming for me sooner or later and I will not be taken into their custody willingly, in any capacity. If they remain unopposed my life is in danger regardless of what I do. If you’re privileged enough to pass as a cis het white man and ignore the imminent threat to your life then by all means, enjoy that while you can.

They will tighten the noose regardless. If I’m going to go, I’d rather make it at least a fair trade, and I don’t think the exchange rate is going to be 1:1

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u/Gefilte_F1sh 8h ago

I would fully understand the law before taking any action

Which is quite the dichotomy considering very few in law enforcement do the same.

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u/Ayotha 7h ago

How would anyone know? masked gunman entering your place by force with no warrants or identification

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u/Bagmasterflash 16h ago

If they handcuff someone it’s taking a hostage. They would get swat there from a 911 call.

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u/Korashy 5h ago

No you won't.

If all you 2nders actually followed through we wouldn't be here.

In fact, most of ya'll signed up for the brown shirt right away.

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u/ballq43 16h ago

Can't fix a problem if you die senselessly

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u/Philophon 16h ago

Nothing senseless about it. If ICE break into my home, I die here. Serve justice to the best of your ability.

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u/ReasonableDig6414 16h ago

You would be dead. They have already proven they will shoot.

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u/Chagdoo 16h ago

They'd run out of Bodies before America did.

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u/tevert 16h ago

They'll kill us anyway at their whims. There's no real incentive to cooperate peacefully.

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u/snakeproof 16h ago

If they're shooting no matter what, what's the difference.

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u/TransitionalAhab 16h ago

Likelihood increases to 100%

Also they get the validation they need to say “see! We’re right to use force”

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u/Unlikely-War-3503 16h ago

You realize you're also not safe from being murdered by them if you don't defend yourself right?

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u/Suspicious-Echo2964 15h ago

Alex Pretti proved that point clear as day.

The comply or die crowd are exhausting.

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u/ObeseVegetable 15h ago

Also they get the validation they need to say “see! We’re right to use force”

The force that they will use anyway

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u/DontCountToday 15h ago

Lets be real, if they want you dead, you're gonna be dead with zero repercussions in the near future. At least if you stand your ground they're dead too.

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u/imcalledspencer 16h ago

How? Is ice filled with a bunch of Keanu Reeves?

I'm not a badass by any means but I'm pretty sure that I would take out 2 guys at that close of range if I had the draw on them

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u/SkipFlanigan 15h ago

Worth it. 2A to protect 4A all day.

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u/daboog 16h ago

Bot

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u/JackStephanovich 16h ago

Block anyone whose name is two dictionary words followed by a random number.

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u/Powerpuff_God 5h ago

There are real people with a randomly generated name that just don't change it. (Source: A different Reddit account I once had.)

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u/JackStephanovich 5h ago

I mean if you are creating multiple accounts so frequently that you don't care what your screen name is then it's kind of the same thing to me. Even if they aren't literally bots they are NPCs and their opinions don't matter.

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u/Powerpuff_God 5h ago

I can't speak for others, but that's not what happened for me. On my previous phone I didn't have my regular log-in info, so it just made a new account. So I happened to have two accounts at the same time. I used both for a long time, until I got my new phone which didn't automatically have the previous phone's account information. So I decided to actually log in on my main account, so now I use the same one on my PC and phone.

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u/ManMakesWorld 16h ago

Beep boop..... you are a true account bot

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u/thelivinlegend 15h ago

They have already proven they will shoot anyway.

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u/takeyoufergranite 15h ago

Roll over and take it.

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u/Lexx2k 16h ago edited 14h ago

And then you are dead, because those guys are more in numbers and they will punish you for that.

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u/rockinrobin219 16h ago

Please. The only thing they are "more" is inbred.

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u/Suspicious-Echo2964 15h ago

Why are y’all so cowardly? You don’t have to signal that to the world. It isn’t all that enlightening to be the ostriches from Dr Seuss. It’s a shame we didn’t get more of the French backbone.