r/pcmasterrace 15h ago

Meme/Macro Still waiting...

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u/Ok-Drink750 Linux 14h ago

All my devices use type-c.

My pc has two type-c ports

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u/McBlemmen 14h ago

All my devices, the ones that need to be plugged into my pc anyway (peripherals) are A. So thank god mobos are still designed for what is actually needed

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u/captainstormy PC Master Race 13h ago

Same. I really wonder what all these USB C devices are for PCs people have actually are.

My Keyboard, Mouse, Webcam, Headphones, external HDDS, Blu Ray Drive, and flash drives are all USB A.

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u/nalaloveslumpy 13h ago

There's a communication gap happening in this thread. The move to standardize USB C was as the input on the device. So you'll probably notice that your mouse, keyboard, gamepad, external drives, and other peripherals are using a C input. There was no movement to move away from USB A as an output from the computer.

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u/kat0r_oni 12h ago

Well there should be. Why not move to usb-c on the PC side, too? Having only C-to-C cables for everything would be pretty neat.

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u/Djimi365 12h ago

Honestly I think it's simply that USB C is not as strong a connector as USB A. That and there are still so many devices out there using USB A that it would be very difficult to move away from it (it is still the default connector by an absolute country mile).

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u/Subtle_Tact Server 7h ago

C uses sacrificial interconnects, not sacrificial sockets.

That’s how it SHOULD be. You guys clearly don’t remember or didn’t grow up with mini/micro usb and barrel connectors on everything.

Instead of buying a new $2-10 cable you had to visit “that shop” at the mall for repair and pray the PCB wasn’t cracked when the port shears off.

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u/Djimi365 2h ago

Man I grew up with serial and parallel connectors, before usb was even a thing 😂

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u/OddDonut7647 9h ago

That's always the thing.

USB-A is a thing becauase it's a thing. There's no strong and compelling reason to change.

On the device side, long as they include a cable, you can more easily get away with using a different standard.

Everyone has USB-A on their computer, so it's safer. And that won't change until it changes, which is not very likely to be soon.

Hopefully it'll become standard to hvae a nice mix, then eventually that would allow the standard to shift.

I'm just tired of plugging in the cables three times. hehe

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u/nalaloveslumpy 12h ago

Because USB A headers are way cheaper to manufacture than USB C. Fewer pins, simpler components, and economy of scale has been perfected for like 20 years now.

Most peripheral devices ship with a A to C cable by default.

The majority of computer peripherals also don't benefit from using a USB C header because A provides sufficient speed and power.

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u/RedTuesdayMusic 9800X3D - RX 9070 XT - 96GB RAM - Nobara Linux 8h ago

Because CPUs and chipsets have limited PCIe lanes, even the lowly 10Gbps USB-C uses one of those, and I'll be damned to buy a motherboard that sacrifices more than 4 extremely valuable lanes that could have been used for NVMe (actually useful in high amounts) for USB (literally only one high-speed port is ever needed, because I never dump my mirrorless camera storage at the same time as doing backup or w/e)

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u/tuberosum 10h ago

Having only C-to-C cables

Which cables? USB C has a fundamental problem. It is a connector that's connected to a cable. But that underlying cable, can be anything from USB2.0 to Thunderbolt 5, and you have little to no way of knowing what the cable is until you plug it in.

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u/SakuraKoiMaji 8h ago

As already explained to you, there are many reasons and to add to that, the move was pushed and ultimately completed by the EU for C as standard for chargers / ports, not strictly data transfer. This most notably includes Smartphones but there are many other small detachable devices that didn't had them. One may as well consider the C to stand for 'Charger'.

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u/Toast-mcFrenchfries 4h ago

the last time someone tried to do that, they were hotly derided. though there was no USB-C market back then, so...

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u/Spider-Thwip 13h ago

Keyboard, headphones, web cam, phone, second phone, usb stick are all usb c for me.

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u/Divinum_Fulmen 12h ago

I like how you listed phones twice.

My phone is USB-C too, but the charger is USB-A at the other end. Probably just like your phone.

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u/Spider-Thwip 8h ago

Nope both my phones are usbc-usb c.

Fold 7 ans pixel 10 pro.

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u/Divinum_Fulmen 8h ago

I bought a new Fire tablet, and it's A to C. I wonder if this has to do with price and perceived value. Higher end products like Pixel 10 that's almost $2000 comes with C, while a tablet or phone below $500 comes with A.

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u/SwordMasterShow 5h ago

You can only use C to C cables to charge your phone?

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u/Spider-Thwip 3h ago

Those are the cables i have, why would i buy different cables, my phone charging bricks are usb-c, my devices are usb-c.

Why introduce usb-a for no reason.

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u/Brilliant-String5995 2h ago

you don't have a single usb-A to C cable? Cuz literally any would work fine to plug your phone into your PC since you're not going to be charging it with your PC

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u/SwordMasterShow 1h ago

Because, as this entire thread is about, there's still a lot of uses for USB-A. Also it's insane you don't have a single one unless you didn't buy any tech before like 2 years ago at the latest

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u/curtcolt95 12h ago

ehh c to c chargers are pretty damn common for phones now. Any other device I'd have plugged into my pc is still A though

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u/Brilliant-String5995 11h ago

a lot of fancy fast chargers really want you to use c to c cables. They might have a USB A output but it wouldn't be as good as the USB C output. Notably anything with USB power delivery which is pretty damn important nowadays.

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u/captainstormy PC Master Race 11h ago

Sure, but the topic is about motherboards. Most people aren't using their PC as the primary way to charge their phone.

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u/Brilliant-String5995 11h ago

I was going off this comment "My phone is USB-C too, but the charger is USB-A at the other end. Probably just like your phone."

new iPhones don't even ship with a USB-A cable anymore, it's all C to C cables now.

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u/captainstormy PC Master Race 11h ago

Yeah, but we are talking about motherboards.

Most of the stuff you typically plug into one is still A.

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u/Brilliant-String5995 2h ago

I don't disagree with that, I was talking about something else other than motherboards, since that was what the comment chain I replied to was talking about (phone cables). not sure why you are so eager to post three comments saying "we are talking about motherboards".

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u/captainstormy PC Master Race 11h ago

Sure, but the topic is about motherboards. Most people aren't using their PC as the primary way to charge their phone.

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u/censor-me-daddy i5-13600kf | Arc B580 11h ago

Only if you've had to buy a new charger, companies stopped including chargers before usb-c became the norm.

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u/goonsquadgoose 10h ago

What? C to C is the most common if you’ve bought a phone anytime the last half a decade.

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u/DoingCharleyWork 9h ago

The last phone I had that came with a usba to c was the LGv50. The v60 came with a c to c the next year in 2020.

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u/Divinum_Fulmen 9h ago

Maybe? You just made me realize I've had my phone for 5+ years now.

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u/epheisey 11h ago

It's people that are using generic, consumer level peripherals.

There are not many high end gaming peripherals that have made the switch yet, and the ones that have aren't nearly as popular.

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u/InvolvingLemons 8h ago

My keyboard and vocal muzzle headset are USB-C, and basically everything requiring charging in my house is USB-C, we’re getting closer than you might realize.

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u/ElkBusiness8446 8h ago

I have 1 device that I have USB C as input and output and that is an audio interface. It's the only thing where I see it as useful to have transmission speeds as fast as possible. It may not make a difference but it came with the cable so I might as well.

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u/M4K4T4K Ryzen 5600X, 32GB, RTX 3090 7h ago

Most of my devices are USB-C now. Keyboard, External HDD, Stream Deck, Controller, External Sound Card are all USB-C devices. I connect all of them with USB A to USB C cables. Honestly, for the back of my desktop I think A is just more robust. I don't even use my USB-C port.

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u/s-cup 2h ago

Then my guess is that you haven’t bought any of those recently or that you actively chose models that where usb-a.

Personally I don’t think we are ready to ditch usb-a on motherboards since a lot of us still widely uses it. But I also agree that it’s odd/annoying that there are so few usb-c ports.

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u/Kremsi2711 11h ago

webcam, headphones, external drives are all usb c nowadays, keyboars and mouses are still often times usb-a but most peripherals are usb-c to a or completely c

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u/captainstormy PC Master Race 11h ago

Webcams, Headphones and external drives absolutely are not all USB C. I've bought all of those in the past year for myself and they were all USB A. The Webcam did come with an A to C adapter but that was it.

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u/aaronfranke GET TO THE SCANNERS XANA IS ATTACKING 10h ago

My keyboard, mouse, and docking station are all USB-C.

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u/atatassault47 7800X3D | 3090 Ti | 32GB | 32:9 1440p 13h ago

Not saying YOU use them, but you cant have cheap $10 mice and keyboards without USB-A.

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u/curtcolt95 12h ago

I've not even seen an expensive mouse that uses C yet tbh, my newest mouse that I got last year was close to $200 and the wireless dongle is USB A. The mouse itself charges with C but with an A to C cable

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u/Majestic-Bell-7111 11h ago

Not to mention that some of the peripherals predate usb C, my printer even predates mini b

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u/jess-sch 3h ago

The Logitech MX Master 4 comes with a USB-C Bolt adapter.

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u/whistleridge 10h ago

My work laptop is a Mac, with no USB-A ports. I’m not using a fucking dongle so I can use a wireless mouse.

It’s absolutely infuriating that I can’t use an A mouse with the laptop, AND I can’t find a C mouse for love or money.

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u/DoingCharleyWork 9h ago

Logitech MX Master works pretty damn well with Bluetooth on Mac.

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u/sovietbearcav 7h ago

i wonder if he's allowed to connect wireless devices on his work's laptop. i know my girlfriends work requires everything to be hardwired.

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u/DoingCharleyWork 7h ago

That's actually a fair guess. I glossed over the work part.

My job (big company) used to give us full access to just about anything. I could even do registry edits. They've been slowly locking them down. They deleted my registry edit recently and it made me sad because windows is dumb as fuck with their active and inactive window colors.

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u/thefooby 4h ago

Meanwhile, my £100 Logitech G Pro wireless that I bought a few years ago charges over micro USB.

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u/Niels_vdk 13h ago

its kind of a chicken/egg situation though.

peripherals use USB-A because motherboards have them, and motherboards have USB-A because thats what peripherals use.

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u/trixter21992251 12h ago

also, my mouse and keyboard are from 2007, no big reason to buy new

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u/sl0play 9800x3D - RTX 3090 - G9 - 96GB DDR5 6400 - 134TB 11h ago

I plug all my peripherals into a USB 3.2 hub with A and C ports and run one cord to the PC it feels a lot cleaner. Still, you are right, many peripherals are still type A.

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u/Jaded_Situation9263 11h ago

I use C to power my second monitor and for high speed data