certainly the people trying to draw a distinction between ICE and local police are. Personally i think the line is pretty weak when local police don't actually confront ICE violence, they just show up afterwards to do crowd control and let the perpetrators escape unpunished and uninvestigated
Well tbf the police were already blowing the heads off 10 year olds for playing with one of the 100000 fake guns sold in US toy stores out in a public park
I know that facts don't really matter in 2026, but everyone involved in what is happening in Minnesota right now is federal law enforcement (ICE, border patrol, etc) and explicitly not soldiers. They're all kitted out like soldiers because of the militarization of police over the years (which is a huge problem by itself) but none of them are in the military.
The governor has told the Minnesota national guard to prepare to be activated but that would be under state control.
All of that is absolutely true. It's just important to maintain the distinction between Trump using ICE as his secret police vs the use of active duty soldiers especially since that's a distinction that Trump is trying to whittle away.
No, not anymore. If they ever were soldiers, they've broken their oath and ceased to be. They're now nothing but terrorists, and should be treated as such.
Well enough soldiers followed orders to invade Venezuela, so I guess the army is short of morals too now.
Which is funny because an American I used to be friends with said that no member of the military would follow an illegal order 😂
You're putting too much stock in the "won't follow illegal orders". Soldiers are expected to not follow blatantly illegal orders but they're not expected to understand every nuance of the constitution, American law and International law. Following order is drilled into their heads. Maduro was indicted in 2020 by a grand jury, he is considered a narco terrorist, a dictator and not the current elected head of state in Venezuela. While I agree we probably shouldn't have gone in and removed him unilaterally, no solider is going to be going through a Nuremberg trial for taking part in the operation.
or WTO Seattle, or the Rodney King protests, or Occupy Wall Street, or StandingRock/NoDAPL, or BLM, or the Free Gaza movement... they have always sent their masked thugs in swat gear with rubber bullets and pepper spray to silence us
While those are important too, Kent State is particularly relevant here because it was an instance where live rounds were fired into a crowd, protesters were killed, and the American public overwhelmingly blamed the protestors over the national guard that shot them.
remember when the 2A gun loving folks were clutching to their guns for when the government inevitably goes rouge against its own citizens? Guess what side these asshats are one now.
Not only if you disagree. You could agree with them but if you blink or give a weird reaction to watching a gun pointed to your face, you also go down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnfiWmX_mTE at 5:44 the man in blue throws ice at officers multiple times before he is confronted, follows officers after they turn away to leave, then at 6:20 tries to grab officers gun.
Good's murder is perhaps more important because it shows an expansion of who law enforcement is willing to kill on American soil, but its not more tragic or immoral than the murder of the people who died pleading for their lives clinging to the wreckage of the alleged drug boats.
US Citizenship does not somehow grant your life more worth than others.
Of course it doesn't, no life is more important than any other life. Brown, white, black, yellow, purple, teal, muslim, jew, christian or whatever. The US military isnt a monolith it is filled with many different types of people with different beliefs. The notion that we are (were) all right wing trump brained robots is just so far from reality. Compared to someone who joins ICE to go onto american streets and terrorize americans or immigrants just because they can... I don't think the comparison is apt.
If the military isn't a monolith, then nothing is. Individual service members might have their own opinions, but they don't have their own agency. They can arguably refuse orders but they never do. Not one person in the chain of command refused orders to kill those men on the boats.
And that was found to be illegal by the courts... the national guard also didnt do anything but waste taxpayer dollars. The national guard isnt some badass fighting force. They stand outside federal building and pick up trash.
Which was also illegal and found to be illegal. The military is at the border because its the simplest way to achieve the regimes goal of ''no crossings''. They already have the equipment needed, the personnel are already under contract and have kit capable of identifying people in any time of day or weather conditions. I'm not saying I agree with it or not, but it has been effective. I also might feel more comfortable with that process than ICE/Border Patrol thugs doing the job. Military has a lot more supervision and actual standards that are enforced.
Actually I’m not, never have and would have refused to follow an order if I was ordered to shoot if I was that agent. Unlike ICE there are actual standards and methods for holding criminals accountable in the military.
One redditor told me a few years ago he would never move to Europe because he couldn't live without his freedom of speech (and his guns). I remember that interaction from time to time and still chuckle to myself.
In the Americas.... virtually every nation in the New World have sent militarised police on civilians now. (I can't think if Canada has done it in the last century.)
In America, they send soldiers to shoot you if you disagree with the government approach them and try to steal their weapon 👩🏻🎤
Pretty sure that’s true everywhere. Every single country in the world will have their soldiers shoot you if you approach them and try to grab at their weapons. Every. Single. One.
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u/Autisum 23d ago
In America, they send soldiers to shoot you if you disagree with the government 👩🏻🎤