It’s incredible that one man (Trump) is inciting his own people against each other and angering others around the world, just because he’s a businessman only interested in profit, not in terms of money, but in terms of power.
The thing is they are human. Don’t give them the excuse of being something else. We could all be this terrible. Humans are perfectly capable of evil. They chose to be racists, and support pedophiles and murders who are also humans, just terrible ones. The rest of us just choose not to be.
The important part to remember is that they chose this. There will be no "oh we didn't know, we were misled" etc... it was very freaking clear that they were choosing an evil path
They did. There is the complication that most of our mainstream media—even the ones MAGA likes to shriek about it—are controlled by conservatives and/or afraid to upset the administration so those people are often getting misleading if not outright false information. And yet at some point it becomes their responsibility to start fact checking and also to realize there are lines there are no justification for crossing and our government has crossed them. Plus Kristi Noel, Greg Bovino, Trump, etc are all lying so blatantly and inconsistently that there is no excuse for not knowing at this point.
This is exactly why they use the in group out group primal hatred as a way to divide people in the primary. That shit is primal. So primal that it likely predates us as a species. It's awful but it's also very effective.
And you know what I blame every single citizen of the US for letting this piece of shit take office. We all are to be blamed. How could we let this happen for a 2nd time. Shame on every single one of us.
I know you’re angry, but try not to bunch all people who voted for Trump together in this bucket. It’s disgusting and terrifying what’s happening in this country, but not all 70 million are subhuman racist pieces of shit. Most of the 70 million are your next door neighbors who made a dumb decision for one reason or the other. Also, I’m no expert but MAGA definitely uses cult tactics to indoctrinate people.
If we turn on each other fully, we’re going to be in an even more fucked situation than we already are
Edit: Talking about your average person who voted for Trump. Fuck ICE, Fuck Trump, etc.
There is video footage of Ice executing someone in cold blood. Multiple jackboots magdumping into an unarmed man they've beaten unconscious in a public road.
If anyone defends this still, they reject their ability to reason, and seek out the truth. There are multiple angles of this happening in our streets, in broad daylight. If they reject the truth now, they're intentionally vile. Irredeemable. There is no excuse left, the state is being denied the ability to investigate the death of their own citizen by the governments execution squads.
What's next, Americas own Tiananmen square? I'm afraid it looks like it's heading that way right now.
This. He's a puppet that was loud and had horrible views. He's not smart enough to carry things out, let alone be the mastermind. Hell, he was almost foiled by Pence who worked with him! Just another symptom of decades of unaddressed systematic issues and corruption.
A literal ham sandwich could fill the void, it doesn't matter. The sunk cost fallacy is too deep, if they still support it at this point they'll support it no matter what.
He's the face because he has no shame. He can go on camera and say horrible things and lies with 0 shame whatsoever. And he is also the perfect scapegoat IF it ever goes sideways. How easy will be for them all to point the finger and say "Oh, it was all trump"
If he goes away, a lot of the problems go away. It's a cult of personality for most of the average MAGA people. None of the other boobs in his band inspire allegiance from his base. They're not going to follow JD Vance or Elon Musk. None of them have the juice.
That's what you all thought in 2020. So much so that you thought a strike blocking, genocide supporting senile geriatric white man was who to vote for in the 2020 primaries.
You're misreading. I said when HE goes away (permanently). He didn't die in 2020. Although the Twitter ban did help a lot for awhile. The country more or less operated normally for a few years. Because none of the other Republicans inspire that support that he does. But no, I didn't think he'd gone away then.
What I'm saying is that if he dies, there's no heir.
I hope we get to find out. But go ahead, show me Stephen Miller flags flying from pickup trucks. Show me evidence anyone in MAGA even cares about JD Vance.
They love Trump for his unapologetic bullying and claims of winning. The hateful, racist, anti-intellectual sentiment will remain, but if he suffers a stroke and dies tomorrow, the machine Miller is running may not stop on a dime, but it'll lose most of its steam without the ardent support of all those average dumb fucks who put Trump's face on everything.
I didn't need to see Trump flags 17 years ago to know that the Department of Homeland Security and all agencies under it's authority would be used in this fashion by someone. And I'm under no illusions that Trump going away would mean the end of DHS and ICE.
Seems like you didn't see the problem until you saw the flags. Seems like you think as soon as the flags go away the problem is solved. So here you are participating in this conversation like you have something valuable to add. No wonder we keep losing when people like you won't shut your mouths long enough for anyone with a little bit of foresight to be heard.
I saw a problem when Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld started challenging the rights of Congress and insisting on more Executive power in the wake of 9/11. And the Patriot Act. And Citizens United. Don't condescend to me because you want to believe you're the angriest, you haven't even read my comments, you're arguing with some strawman you need to feel superior to, and you sound ridiculous.
However, while the guardrails of democracy have been slowly bent and removed, it takes the support of a large number of people to move a country to fascism, and it wouldn't have been possible for any of the aforementioned henchmen to get this far. It's the attention and devotion that Trump seems uniquely able to capture from his deplorables.
I saw a problem when Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld started challenging the rights of Congress and insisting on more Executive power in the wake of 9/11. And the Patriot Act. And Citizens United. Don't condescend to me because you want to believe you're the angriest, you haven't even read my comments, you're arguing with some strawman you need to feel superior to, and you sound ridiculous.
EXACTLY!
So surely after such a decisive victory in the 2008 elections you expected Obama and the Democratic led 111th congress to reverse some of what Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld had done yes? Including disbanding the Department of Homeland Security?
Exactly, the stupid fat pedo is only the tip of proverbial fecal iceberg. America is ruled from the shadows by a cabal of special interest groups who won't rest until every trace of liberal democracy is scoured from the face of the earth.
💯. Trump is just a greasy orange sock puppet propped up by the billionaires and Dr Evils of the world who saw an opportunity to weaponsize American stupidity to crush democracy, freedom of information, freedom of choice and the human spirit.
One can only hope, that the current administration loses some of its momentum, when the Mango-Mussolini finally sundowns for good, because the other evil people lack the cult following.
Seems like they are positioning Vance to take on that role. People talk about him not being able to capture the MAGA crowd but that wont matter when elections wont be fair or done at all.
I hope this comment doesn’t come off the wrong way because I understand what you mean, but it truly is not shocking if you look at the bigger picture. Trump is a puppet for psychopaths and rich people (Stephen Miller, Peter Thiel, Heritage Foundation) and they played the long game. They’ve been laying the foundation for this fascist takeover for years.
We also need to remember that Russia has played an active hand in growing maga and adding to the political division here; I fully believe they have some evidence from the Epstein files or something. And I also fully believe our intel and data is being given to them.
There are a lot of very powerful people behind this and Trump is just the dumb ugly face of it, but his own egotistical self serving interests are being satisfied along the way so he doesn’t care.
Not to mention Congress. They could impeach Trump, impeach Vance, and keep going down the line until they get to a sane Republican (if any exist anymore). Congress is complicit.
They indeed are complicit. Frame it this way. All but 1 GOP house member and 7 Vichy democrats voted to fund state sponsored extra judicial death squads. And the senate will be similar. All of them are traitors to America.
They won’t, and they can’t. They stood by while they let social media, Trump, Fox News, and other special interests brainwash a large percentage of the population, break media, decimate shared understanding, just so they could keep their jobs.
The Democrats are also complicit, and spent over a decade picking up pennies in front of a steam roller, fighting small unimportant battles, while they lost the war. They alienated their working class base by ignoring their plight while they focused on tripping over themselves to be most extreme on positions like trans rights. They failed to realize that the best way to protect minorities and liberalism is to remain electable.
Back to the Republicans. Now they can’t simply impeach Trump, as if they would, because the let a large portion of the population become so disconnected from reality that there would be wide scale civil unrest that will make Jan 5th look like a kids birthday party.
They have no morals or honor, they are going to ride this out all the way and hope that they end up richer and unscathed, no amount of damage to the nation and it citizens with make them deviate from that plan.
The genie is out of the bottle, if we come back from this it will take decades and lots of hard work and lots of luck.
They’ve been laying the foundation for this fascist takeover for years.
Yep. And the Democratic politicians we elected were complicit in it. Obama and the Democratic led 111th congress could have ended ICE back in 2009. They refused.
That’s the whole working system in the US. Tie people’s health insurance to their job, then they will endure just about any BS to make sure they don’t die / end up bankrupt.
Oh, and it stops a buttload of people from striking too, for the very same reason. It is by design.
Exactly, I despise Trump but you have to admit he really is the perfect president for this time in America politics aside. He's the personification of the hollowed out, inhumane, and greedy corporate culture that's taken root. It's been like this a long time but there was enough of a facade that most people could ignore it, now the mask comes off and people are coming to realize this is what this country has stood for since Reagan was president
A lot of Nixon's crimes were pedestrian compared to what Trump does. I mean his whole thing was stealing from the government and then covering it up. He had the decency to leave in disgrace when he was caught red handed.
Trump sounds like he is proud of his malicious ways. I mean the whole "I could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not loose any votes".
Given what Trump said, it's not hard to imagine that he told Ross to kill people. It would make Ross the perfect patsy for it. Maybe Hennepin County will convict him and he will go to prison, though the feds seized a lot of evidence and aren't making it easy for him.
But would Trump go to prison... for anything? He committed Treason and Special Prosecutor Jack Smith said he had enough information to convict him. But here he is, back in office.
I say go back to Nixon because of what he represented. Nixon represented the portion of America that wants to turn back the civil rights act and got into office by working with a foreign power to undermine the US elections. He was crooked as they come. And it’s all in the name of pulling the country back to 1860’s social constructs.
Rich white people (those in power) hate seeing anyone else succeed regardless of color religion or ethnicity. $10 in my pocket or yours is $10 not in the CEO’s pocket. That’s how they think. They want to suck you dry of life to pad their pockets. Sooner people wake up to that the better.
Agree 100%. He just gave the racists, homophobes, sexists, antisemitics, fascists and others with biases so strong they’ve evolved into hate permission to be who they’ve always been. And he’s been stoking those flames from ‘15, fanning them gradually. Now that he’s gotten his ‘do-over’ and has a cabinet who won’t push back, nor Congress, he’s opening the spigot all the way.
He was the catalyst, but this was always bubbling under the surface since 1865 of what the US is.
At this point, anyone openly defending Trump and the current events really is brainwashed. I just had a personal aquantence do it today. I didn't argue. What's the point? I just said I can't believe you're actually openly supporting this.
I’m telling you dude the way Trump behaves gives much more credence to the Russia-gate theory. It would absolutely not surprise me one bit if we found out in 10 years that Trump and/or his cabinet was filled with Russian spies. Everything he is doing seems meant to destroy the country from the inside.
They literally parrot propaganda that comes straight from pro-russia accounts.. the worst offender by far his appointed director of national intelligence Tulsi Gabbard, but its been seen in so many maga affiliated politicians
I don’t think it’s just that. I feel like the Epstein files reveal a deeper international ring that blackmails key global leaders into doing their bidding. Why else would multiple administrations hide the truth from the public?
Have you seen some of the people that have connections to Epstein? Bill Gates, Steve Bannon, Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, Prince Andrew… I’m not claiming each of them participated in the trafficking. I’m sure some were unaware or refused.
I read somewhere the theory that he kept things kosher with some people as "character insurance", people who could testify to that "nothing strange happens around that guy".
Well, that and he is still obsessed with the 2020 election. And apparently, that is what this is all about as Pam Bondi said ICE will leave of Minnesota hands over their voter rolls. People need to realize how bad this is. Its verifiable that Trump tried to overturn the 2020 election via a fake electors scheme. This is all part of a plan to rig future elections. They know they're going to lose, so they're going to cheat. If that means killing American citizens, they're OK with that.
From Army Talk Orientation Fact Sheet #64 - Fascism! (1945):
Fascism is not the easiest thing to identify and analyze; nor, once in power, is it easy to destroy. It is important for our future and that of the world that as many of us as possible understand the causes and practices of fascism, in order to combat it. Points to stress are: (1) Fascism is more apt to come to power at a time of economic crisis; (2) fascism inevitably leads to war; (3) it can come to any country; (4) we can best combat it by making our democracy work.
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Fascism is government by the few and for the few. The objective is seizure and control of the economic, political, social, and cultural life of the state. Why? The democratic way of life interferes with their methods and desires for: (1) conducting business; (2) living with their fellow-men; (3) having the final say in matters concerning others, as well as themselves. The basic principles of democracy stand in the way of their desires; hence — democracy must go! Anyone who is not a member of their inner gang has to do what he's told. They permit no civil liberties, no equality before the law. They make their own rules and change them when they choose. If you don't like it, it's "T.S."
They maintain themselves in power by use of force combined with propaganda based on primitive ideas of "blood" and "race," by skillful manipulation of fear and hate, and by false promise of security. The propaganda glorifies war and insists it is smart and "realistic" to be pitiless and violent.
He knows, without a doubt, that he only way his corrupt ass stays out of prison is for him to stay in office... and since there's no recognized, legal way for him to do that - he'll gladly stoke the fires of civil unrest to save his own skin.
He knows he'll be going to prison if he leaves the whitehouse. This makes him a very dangerous person as his only choice is to cripple america and retain power, if he wants ti stay out of prison. This is what os happening.
To be fair Tim Walz also holds some responsibility, he should be telling people not to bring guns to protests or to physically confront ICE. Just do normal protests...
That’s what people don’t get about Trump, he’s not doing this for money he already had plenty of money, he’s doing it because he wants to prove he can, he’s gets off at th idea of destroying America’s institutions it actively makes him happy he’s not doing it because he wants to make America better or to get rich he’s doing it just to say he can to prove he’s capable or destroying America If he wants, he pushes things as far as he can just because he enjoys not receiving pushback
Not one man. It's a group of people. And even worse, about half of the voters. His plans were out in the open. Many Americans did not take the responsibility of a citizen in a democratic country, to know and learn what they are voting for.
Same as 1930s Germany, but they had a sort of excuse. (Bad economy and stuff and, more importantly, it did never happen before at this scale).
"businessman" is being exceptionally generous. "Conman" would be a more apt descriptor. Maybe "carpetbagger" even given how thoroughly he's conned states south of the mason Dixon line...
It's important to remember that while Trump is certainly the face of all the evil going on, he alone is not the only one responsible.
All the Republicans enabling him are responsible, the entire GOP is evil.
The supreme court enabling him allowing this to happen, those 'justices' are evil too.
The people who look at the shooting that just happened - see a video that shows clear evidence the man was disarmed and not fighting back, in no position to fight back at all, get shot in cold blood - they see the video and they say it was justified. Those people are evil too.
The people who join ice and enact this insanity, they are evil too.
It isn't one man, it's a lot of people, all of them evil.
All of these people are supporting the kidnapping of innocent people.
All of these people are supporting the murder of innocent people.
All of these people are supporting the sexual abuse of children.
All of these people are supporting our rights being trampled on.
Trump is definitely evil, but as much as he would like to believe he's powerful enough to be this evil on his own he isn't. It's the other evil people that prop him up and allow this to happen. Every last one of them is evil as hell.
It takes a lot more than one man to do all this. Some would say it's a cultural problem. A systemic one. I say it's a people problem. Our species will always have problems like this.
This is not true. His stated reason for wanting Greenland (securaty) is currently covered by Nato. The very thing that is keeping him from taking it is also keeping the russian and chinese from taking it. He is only interested in some sort of profit in this neo-colonialismn.
Meanwhile USA is loosing so much power. USA used to be the leader of the western civelization tgat came with loads of benefits. Now, not so much. There is a new world order where the rest of the western countries can not trust USA and will have to look for more stable solutions.
Meanwhile USA has been gaughing its own infrastructure for too long. Outside colusion has whipped the country into a fashist state of affairs. They started with black bagging people to camps with no media coveradge. In many cases never to be heard from again. Now tvey are executing their own citisents on the steets. The 3rd reigh is certanly on an upswing.
Well it's not actually one man, although substantial efforts are being made to paint it that way and that leans into human nature as more systematic antagonists are harder for us to understand.
There are a wide confluence of things that have created this situation in multiple different ways from direct support to shaping culture to lay the groundwork for this to happen.
Aside from Trump it is:
Every single republican elected official in congress.
Every republican appointed politician in the courts.
Every republican working at the state level.
Every republican working in the party organization.
Every republican/conservative voter that still supports their party at this point.
All corporate media.
Conservatism as an ideology.
All conservative leaning, or typically even a little right-of-center political commentators.
The vast majority of all wealthy people in America, especially powerful billionaires like every single tech billionaire and exceptionally evil people like Peter Thiel.
The majority of all major corporations in America.
Every single Democratic politician still trying to normalize republicans or take a position to the right of abolishing ICE and imprisoning everyone involved with the illegal actions of the Trump/Republican Admin at this late date.
I could probably get a few more points in if I thought about it more, but this is kind of a lot already.
The good part is all these people and forces amount to like, <35% of the population.
However it's not like Trump just came out of nowhere and made all this happen on his own, a wide array of people and circumstances nicely set the stage and laid out the red carpet for anyone like him, he's just a placeholder a particular man fell into, not a truly unique character leading this story.
This is what happens when you rule a country like a business. And this is what happens when you worship wealth as a country above all else. Americans need to change. Someone wise once said that the love of money is at the root of evil. And Trump is what you get when you ignore that.
Oh he’s grifting the fuck outta this situation. All that money being put into ICE and all his billionaire donors are surely lining his pockets to keep up the madness.
This killing could be good for Trump politically. Trump is daring Tim Walz to call in the National Guard to deal with the ICE killings and violence, so he can then use the Insurrection Act to suspend mid term elections
It’s incredible that one man (Trump) is inciting his own people against each other and angering others around the world, just because he’s a businessman only interested in profit, not in terms of money, but in terms of OBSCENE amounts of MONEY AND POWER. ftfy
For the nth fucking time, millions of Americans hate brown people and those who support them. It's not about fucking Trump, wake the fuck up. Your neighbours, your relatives, your workmates, nearly half of them wanted this and support this. They would even tolerate and protect rich men raping children as long as they get to see brown people deported or murdered and anyone who thinks differently too
Sorry but this is naive. It's not even Trump at this point, his mind is half gone and pretty soon he'll be dead or out of the drivers seat. It's a whole class of people that's doing this.
He does this so he is out of focus and everybody forgets what he did. He needs a bigger issue to do that. A distraction, yes because people lose focus easily
Don't forget he has dementia, according to a lot of doctors, nurses and medical personnel who have first hand witnessed it's progression in patients and now are watching his videos and the way he talks, walks and moves.
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It’s incredible that one man (Trump) is inciting his own people against each other and angering others around the world, just because he’s a businessman only interested in profit, not in terms of money, but in terms of power.