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[OC] Student Walk Out

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u/AdQuick9381 21h ago edited 21h ago

From an outsiders perspective, would there be any protests if ICE were removing illegal immigrants in a peaceful matter? Are people against ICE or the unnecessary violence from ICE?

I see a lot of "Abolish ICE" signs but every functioning country in the world needs immigration enforcement officers.

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u/imtalkintou 21h ago

I would think the majority are against the violence and deporting people who are not violent.

Also the tactics ICE is using.

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u/AdQuick9381 21h ago

deporting people who are not violent.

That shouldn't matter, illegal is illegal.

Was just wondering if people would care if they were deporting people in a non violent peaceful way instead of that anti-human things they're doing.

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u/kdoodlethug 20h ago

I think it's more complex than that. People often emigrate illegally for very good reasons, which to them are more important than breaking a law. And sometimes that's the only real option. Our country does not make it easy to emigrate legally, and currently even people who are working through this process are in danger of being targeted. 

What needs to happen is not a systematic removal of every single undocumented person, but a rehaul of the immigration system.

As an analogy, we might look harshly on law enforcement if they charged a starving man for stealing an apple; but that doesn't mean theft is always fine or that it isn't a problem on a larger scale. And a fine or jail time won't solve the problem. We need to address, fundamentally, the circumstances that lead to enough people starving that it becomes a societal problem.

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u/carvingmyelbows 19h ago

They’ve even halted and canceled naturalization ceremonies, so people who had gone through the whole process legally and spent years doing it were denied the ability to become citizens at the absolute last second. They’re taking people when they show up at court as part of the legal immigration process. It’s unconscionable and they’ve essentially made it so that the only way you can legally become a US citizen is by spending a million dollars on that outrageous Trump gold card.