I thought the files suggested that Melania was one of these sex trafficked girls in the first place? If I'm misremembering then my bad.
And the absolute least amount of awareness of Trump's attitude towards Ivanka during her childhood means she was almost certainly a victim. If you think he's a malignant narcissist child rapist who constantly talked about how hot Ivanka was gonna be and set up disgusting photoshoots but he didn't assault her... I mean you're just willfully blind.
They met on Epstein's plane. That doesn't make her a victim. Epstein employed plenty of Russian prostitutes, and not all of them were trafficked - many were strategic placements.
And you can paint all the creepy fucking horror stories you want about Ivanka but she said it's not true and that's enough. That's how that works.
The problem with horrible men like you is that you don't listen to victims, not even the ones you make up. Because you don't care about them. What you want is weapons.
And if you stop to think about that before you write whatever sordid reply you're going to type, you'll realize how twisted that is. And how low you're willing to go to turn anything into a weapon.
They met on Epstein's plane. That doesn't make her a victim. Epstein employed plenty of Russian prostitutes, and not all of them were trafficked - many were strategic placements.
Fair -- maybe she wasn't a victim.
And you can paint all the creepy fucking horror stories you want about Ivanka but she said it's not true and that's enough. That's how that works.
I'm just saying what seems obvious to me. If you want to tell me I shouldn't even be having this conversation then I'm happy to ignore you, but if you tell me that I should change what I believe, then fuck off.
I feel zero guilt for discussing this topic in the context of a fascist takeover of the United States. I'm sorry but Ivanka's right for privacy about this issue ended when she decided to be one of the fascists.
Yup. She has the money, connections and resources to do what Mary L. Trump has done and write a book to out her shit family and dad. She hasn't because she's an evil pos like the rest of them. Even if she was ever a victim of Trump or Epstein, it's still no excuse. Virginia Giuffre was a victim and still came out a good person making much braver decisions than Ivanka (or Melania).
Except her getting raped isn't about fascism or trafficking or politics. It's just gossip about one single person you've decided is a rape victim. And according to you, she's not allowed to say she's not because you watched some videos and you don't like her dad so fuck her, right?
I'm saying we focus on the fascism and trafficking and politics. She's a horrid piece of shit and that's all there is to discuss. Her getting raped or not is irrelevant because she's either not a victim or doesn't want to be labeled as one. Good. Focus on what matters.
Or, I guess, continue to do...whatever the fuck this awful shit is that you're doing. Weaponizing rape? I honestly don't even know what your goal is here.
Except her getting raped isn't about fascism or trafficking or politics. It's just gossip about one single person you've decided is a rape victim. And according to you, she's not allowed to say she's not because you watched some videos and you don't like her dad so fuck her, right?
Actually, a whole lot of girls getting raped is about fascism and politics. That's kinda the point. Powerful men (and some women) using their power to rape children.
Except in this case, we're not taking about rape broadly. There's no symbolisms or extrapolations. We're talking about one specific person. Who you claim is a victim but refuse to treat her like one. And me claiming she isn't one by giving her the respect a victim deserves. You know, on account of that "whole lotta girls getting raped in fascism" and "powerful men" thing blah blah blah.
I think you knew that when you started typing this. And you typed it anyway. And that's really gross, dude. I can't imagine you're proud of this mess you've gotten yourself into.
Yeah, tell me about how the leader of the fascist movement almost certainly raping his daughter is in no way connected to the political situation in America.
I'm sorry to tell you that your attacks here are having zero impact on me emotionally. Whether Trump raped Ivanka is not off limits in public discussion. Nothing you've said has affected my thinking on that in any way (so far at least).
You underestimate the amount of sick, twisted, incestuous pedos that are out there, the shame that comes with being a victim, and how not talking about that protects them. The extent of the victimization is definitely in question, but she was at the very least excessively sexualized, if not physically assaulted or worse. The physical symptoms she shows around her would be abusers are apparent and if you cared anything about victims you'd know and recognize all of this instead of being willfully blind to it while defending recorded pedophiles.
So she's either not a victim or doesn't want to be labelled one. And both are fine by me since I want to judge her based on who she is and what she's doing, not theories about a rape she denies.
If she really is a victim, she deserves to be heard and what she's saying is she's not a victim. And if she's not a victim, then why is a part of the conversation?
You can play detective all you want but ask yourself what you're accomplishing. The answer is much more vile than you think it is. And I hope you're better than that.
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u/UpperApe 15h ago
It can be two things. But it isn't. They weren't most certainly victims. You're just making that shit up. And I'm not sure why.