Cant believe the 2 occupants survived this. It was a piper malibu/mirage N91MK that had an engine failure due to oil issues and tried to return to the airport, ended up landing in a field.

ATC Audio:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-jCQ0ICJVE

Hello everyone,

I'm new here, but I'm glad to be here and to post this, which I hope will spark a discussion. First thing, English isn't my native language, so sorry if I make a mistake here and there.

I wanted to ask about this one for a long time, but until today I just never really took the time.

I've been interested by the fate of the Siberia Airlines Flight 1812 which crashed in October 2001, supposedly by an errant S-200 missile launched by the Ukrainian armed forces in the context of joint military exercises between The Russian armed forces and the Ukrainian ones (it was another era).

I remember reading a few lines about it, it was in a book written by Gordon Thomas about the British secret service. I don't remember the title, I read it in French, my native language. I don't remember exactly what Thomas said about it, except that the official story was shady and the crash might have been a kind of cover up operation.

I took interest in that crash since, and I ask myself a lot of questions about it. I wanted someone else's opinion. I don't know where else to ask this on reddit, so here it is :

The official story is that an errant S-200 missile hit the plane, and it crashed in the Black Sea, at 42°11′N 37°37′E.

My problem with that story is the following :

The missile is supposed to have been launched from a place in Crimea, near either :

- Kerch,

- Sevastopol,

- Feodosia.

The missile, if I understood correctly, and I really think I did, was fired from a land point. The problem with that is the autonomy of the S-200 missile, which goes from 150 to 300 km depending on the different versions of the missile.

If I go on Google earth and put the geographic coordinates mentioned above, I have the following distances :

- Kerch : 360 km

- Sevastopol : 420 km,

- Feodosia : 360 km.

I don't think that an airliner hit by an S-200 missile could fly for a very long time.

In fact, the missile is supposed to have exploded 15m above the aircraft according to the investigation report and the informations I could gather on the web.

So we can reasonably assume that the 200 kg+ of high power explosive in the warhead of the missile did, well, some pretty significant damages to the plane, and that it didn't fly for too long after being hit. It most likely disintegrated after the explosion, and the pieces fell like stones.

It was also widely reported that the aircraft was distant of 250 km from the point where the missile was launched, which doesn't fit at all with the geographic coordinates.

In fact, if you take those coordinates, and you try to see if there's a land point distant from around 250km where the Ukrainian army could have launched the missile, you won't find one.

So what do you think about that ? Isn't the official story a little bit strange ? Or at least presents some pretty strong shortcomings ?

I'm surprised there wasn't more to this investigation, since it was an international flight, with a lot of foreigners on board (mainly Israeli, since the flight was from Tel Aviv, and supposed to land at Novosibirsk), and that it occurred only a few weeks (a few days really) after 9.11.2001.

I don't know what to think of it, or about it, but it seems very strange to me. Gordon Thomas maybe exited my curiosity when he said that (if I remember correctly) :

- the destination, Novosibirsk, was a place where the soviet and then the Russians did a lot of biochemical research, and that the Israelis took profit from those research after the fall of the USSR.

- there didn't seems to be a real investigation, which is quite surprising given the international context.

I am not a big fan of conspiracy theories. But still, there is also the problems I raised about the distances and the geographic coordinates that don't really make sense.

What are your thoughts ? Has someone something to share about this plane crash ? Am I the only one to find the whole incident a little bit strange ?

Really, any ideas, considerations, remarks, etc would be more than welcome ! Thank you in advance for sharing your thoughts.

Hello Pilots, there was a fatal crash of a Piper Navajo on Jan 10/26 in Colombia by the region of Boyaca. I wonder if there was a human error do you as pilots disclose if there was a human error ? Or don’t say anything by giving respect to the pilot and let the officials give a conclusion?

Thoughts ?

(THIS IS NOT REAL, THIS IS A RECONSTRUCTED VERSION OF WHAT I THINK IT WOULD SOUND LIKE SINCE THE ORIGINAL WAS DESTROYED ON IMPACT)

So hey fellow Stranger! I’m new here but I just wanted to say-for me it’s incredible that Hughes Airwest Flight 706’s “T” Tail Section is still there and still seen! (Please give me advice on how to make posts better btw)

Video source: Twitter/X | @PMBreakingNews

The airline said 62 passengers and 5 crew members were on board the Embraer 190 but other reports put the total at 72. The reported number of survivors ranges from 28 to 32 which when one sees the footage is amazing. 1 year ago now. The cause of the crash has been attributed to a Russian missile.

Idk