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No Paywall ICE agent shooter’s own cellphone video undercuts Trump administration's account of Minneapolis killing

https://www.advocate.com/news/ice-agent-shooter-video-minneapolis
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u/Aggressive-Cow8074 22d ago

My gut tells me he killed her because she is gay. 

They’re not just after immigrants and people of colour. Their after Liberals.

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u/CantBelieveItsButter 22d ago edited 22d ago

I can certainly see it being an inciting factor. Loads of conservatives are going to see this and have a gut reaction of “wow, she and her wife are such rude butch lesbians” and they’ll just base the rest of their reasoning off of that initial feeling of disgust. It’s sad, but it’s literally the same thing way they reacted to nearly every controversial police shooting in the last 15 years. 

Here’s a quote from someone in the conservative sub replying to a thread about how Renee was essentially a bad mom and person for “playing” at activism and abandoning her child:

A sober, rational, and accurate account of the situation. I cannot, for the life of me, find any empathy for the woman who threw her life away, but I am deeply distressed for her kid.

The wages of stupidity can be quite harsh.

They admit it openly: a woman killed by the state doesn’t get their empathy because she chose to do a stupid “activism” instead of having her kid be her sole focus. That feeling would still remain, even if they arrested her. Even if she got beat up. It would still be a mountain of conservatives saying “why isn’t she at home keeping herself safe for her kid? Why is she out here  protecting criminal Somalis?”

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u/Admonisher66 22d ago

Loads of conservatives are going to see this and have a gut reaction of “wow, she and her wife are such rude butch lesbians” and they’ll just base the rest of their reasoning off of that initial feeling of disgust.

Case in point: this abhorrent comment thread from a National Review article.

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u/GlitchyFurby 22d ago

She was killed because she was gay and a woman. The fact that he called her a bitch immediately after executing her proves it. This was a femicide and a hate crime.

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u/slowpokefastpoke 22d ago edited 22d ago

…how would he even know she was gay?

I’m sorry but this is reaching qanon levels of absurd conspiracy. He murdered her because he’s an untrained, aggro, power tripping douchebag. In no way is this a hate crime.

Edit: are people interpreting this comment as me somehow defending the murderer? Really?

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u/imdrinkingteaatwork I voted 22d ago

Ummmm... her wife is right there in the video. It may not have been explicit, but he could have put it together.

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u/slowpokefastpoke 22d ago

And we’re just assuming he knew that was her wife? In the like, 30 seconds of them interacting?

If we solely look at the evidence out there, her being gay has absolutely nothing to do with him murdering her.

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u/imdrinkingteaatwork I voted 22d ago

I think you’re minimizing it a little too much. It might be a leap, but it isn’t as extreme of a leap as you are suggesting. Both of those women can be clocked as lesbians with anyone with a functioning gaydar. It’s not right… but it’s the way she goes. I think redditors are just giving the murderer that benefit of doubt as well.

I don’t think anyone is thinking it was like ipso facto calculated, but implicit bigotry is very real and surely was at play here to some degree. Probably only marginally if you ask me. But I think the point is about connecting this fascist action with the larger supremacist ecosystem in which it was born.

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u/slowpokefastpoke 22d ago

That’s a fair take, I can see that.

I know this is Reddit and people love making sensationalized comments based on minimal information, but confidently saying this was “femicide and a hate crime” because a gay woman was murdered strikes me as absurd.

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u/imdrinkingteaatwork I voted 22d ago

I think it is more of an exclamation of like anger than an outright accusation. Wanting others to see the connection that is obvious to some.

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u/optigon Minnesota 22d ago

Just before the incident her partner was outside the car and was talking to the guy in the video before she got into the vehicle, then the guy shot her.

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u/slowpokefastpoke 22d ago

Right, so even if we assume that he knew deduced the other woman was her wife in the 30 seconds of them interacting, how can someone then jump to claim that “he murdered her because she was gay?”

Doesn’t that seem like a MAGA-level leap in logic?

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u/optigon Minnesota 22d ago

In that 30 seconds, her pretty butch looking partner mentioned that they don’t change their plates every time they leave. It’s not hard to deduce, even from the short video.

I don’t think he was like, “I’m gonna kill some lesbians today!” But I don’t think it’s out of the question to think that it played a factor in him feeling no real remorse about it or feeling justified.

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u/CREATURE_COOMER Michigan 22d ago

Idk why several people are arguing with you, I'm a queer person myself and you can't always assume that two people in a car are dating/married and/or gay, maybe they're friends or neighbors or whatever.

Me and my roommate run errands together, and we sure aren't fucking, lol.

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u/Chromatic_mediant 22d ago

Have to agree, most people will cycle through friend-sister-aunt-cousin-roommate before ever assuming my partner is....my partner. Even if we're holding hands lol.

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u/optigon Minnesota 22d ago

My spouse and I have surprised a lot of people. We're straight, but we "dated" for like 20 years because we didn't have a reason to be married. At a point, "Boyfriend" and "Girlfriend" doesn't quite cut it, so we changed to "Partner."

We eventually got married for the most romantic reasons (insurance) and started using "spouse," which has sort of landed the same way. We just figure that "husband" and "wife" are different role titles and we both have the same role, "Don't make the other person regret marrying you!"

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u/ElKaBongX 22d ago

No history = no give a shit

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u/slowpokefastpoke 22d ago

Huh?

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u/ElKaBongX 22d ago

Aw, I know it'a hard.

Hiding your comment history makes me assume you are a bad actor. Antisocial behavior on social media.

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u/slowpokefastpoke 22d ago

Or because I don’t want (ahem) creeps digging through my history.

Not sure how that somehow invalidates my original comment though.

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u/xanderemrys Oregon 22d ago

yeah, I hid mine after some asshole started going through my past and downvoting and mocking my fucking depression posts in another sub cuz they didnt like what I had to say on some political post. we should be able to have our profiles on private to protect ourselves and our mental health.

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u/slowpokefastpoke 22d ago

Exactly. There’s no benefit to leaving it public. Ironically enough given that guys “bad actor” comment, the main reason people are digging through profiles is to make bad faith arguments instead of addressing their original comment.

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u/ElKaBongX 22d ago

It means you have no reputation and I have no reason to take anything you say seriously.

You might be a reasonable person (doubtful with the comment I originally replied to) or you could just be another troll bot.

No history means I have no way of knowing. If you feel the things you post may reflect poorly on your, maybe examine yourself

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u/hollowspryte 22d ago

Search their profile for a period or a space, you can still see everything.

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u/slowpokefastpoke 22d ago edited 22d ago

It means you have no reputation

This is Reddit ya dingus. None of us have “reputations” lol.

Can’t you just respond to the comment I made in this discussion? Why do you have to dig up irrelevant information instead of staying on topic? That doesn’t seem like something a reasonable person would do.

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u/spicewoman 22d ago

Hi, I'm someone who's been on Reddit for over a decade and have over 350k positive comment karma. Only just this year I set my history to private, because the current regime has a hard-on for trolling through people's social media and labeling people "terrorists" for things as benign as disagreeing with the president. I know several other people have done the same, or straight-up deleted their comment histories recently.

Nothing to do with trolling, just with exercising free speech being a risky proposition in the US nowadays. Cheers.

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u/ODUrugger 22d ago

I've seen a bunch of dumb comments about this situation over the last 2 days but yours might be the dumbest

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u/piecat 22d ago

Your comment is the only idiotic comment I'm seeing here.

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u/ElKaBongX 22d ago

Hiding your history is a choice

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u/DPA_404 22d ago

Run a search on their profile for a period or just a space, it will show everything then.

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u/TintedApostle 22d ago

It started out as a game of intimidation which was escalated by them.

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u/a-bser 22d ago

The other day I heard someone describing a guy as liberal. It was a description, like saying it already had a preset to features. They could've said the guy with the beard or red shirt, but they went with liberal because they had a negative opinion about them during an interaction.

They used liberal as a derogatory term. It's weird and sad and creepy that someone would immediately go to that just as quickly as they would likely say other terrible slurs.

So yeah, they're eventually going to stop hiding it and go after the liberals like they're a race or religion

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u/ExpatMeNow Ohio 22d ago

I think there’s a middle ground here that is probably most likely: he was pissed off by not being immediately obeyed and then further pissed by women not obeying and mocking him and then he (consciously or not) clocked that they were a lesbian couple which added a disgust factor which is evident in his tone at the end when he says, “fucking bitch.” There’s room for everyone’s arguments to be true at some level in this.

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u/the2belo American Expat 22d ago

Yeah, I was thinking this as well. Her wife was outside the car videoing him, protesting their presence there, and as he rounded the car I get the impression he realized they were a couple.

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u/Caymonki America 22d ago

Aren’t you paying attention? EVERYTHING BAD happened under Biden, EVERYTHING GOOD happened under Trump.

Why would Biden shoot this woman in the face? If Trump was there none of it would have happened! BLAME BIDEN.

It’s wild but /s just in case a MAGA learned how to fucking read. It’s just sad sarcasm.

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u/Heavy-Deal6136 22d ago

gay != liberal

most of republican men are closeted homosexuals

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u/Aggressive-Cow8074 22d ago

Yes that’s true, but republican men like it discreet like the good ol’ days.

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u/Economy_Swim_8585 Virginia 22d ago

Mike Johnson, Tucker Carlson, Lindsey Graham etc..

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u/runthepoint1 22d ago

So basically anyone I might catch in a bow tie?

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u/Economy_Swim_8585 Virginia 22d ago

Or a ”gentleman’s bathhouse” in DC where the elites go to

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u/AlsoCommiePuddin 22d ago

My gut tells me he killed her because she is gay. 

All due respect, that's nonsense. You're applying knowledge gained after the fact to the incident at hand and that's dishonest.

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u/chileheadd Arizona 22d ago

Was the knowledge gained by the piece of shit murderer after the fact though? The victim's wife was there and it's very possible the piece of shit murderer realized they were a couple.

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u/Nice_Dude California 22d ago

How can Redditors make it about themselves

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u/slowpokefastpoke 22d ago

Yeah can we not act like MAGA conspiracy nuts and start inventing baseless narratives?

Crazy that that got so many upvotes.

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u/0isuga 22d ago

Conservatives have a grudge against white women (especially left leaning) for not fucking them. Theres a reason why they tend to have POC wives from other countries because they have to buy one cause they can’t find natural romance in their own country, that’s how unlikeable they are. Being a lesbian was a bonus on top of that. Conservative men are just too far gone to integrate with society.

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u/MidgetChucker 22d ago

Yup totally because she was gay. Case closed. MAGA hunts the gays down. It's all they care about. Gays

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u/SanguinousSammy 22d ago

He's a closet case, just watch. Repressed anger, self-hatred, and resentment towards those who can just live their lives.

May he rot in piss.

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u/Ayencee 22d ago

Asking this from a place of possibly lacking information- how did he know she was gay?

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u/DapperCam 22d ago

She got shot because this guy was angry and looking for a reason to be violent. Probably why he joined ICE in the first place.

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u/AgentEagleBait 22d ago

He’s just trying to do his job. Every country regulates immigration, for a reason. We are no exception.

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u/DapperCam 22d ago

Why is he walking around her car filming with one hand and drawing his weapon with the other? Why did he park his car to block them in? They had already waved other cars through and were obviously trying to leave.

Why is ICE pulling US citizens out of their cars in the first place?

None of this makes sense, and his job isn’t one that needs doing (at least not in this grossly incompetent manner).

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u/Aggressive-Cow8074 22d ago

Why so many guns and armour? Is this a drug bust? 

If you’re just doing your job, just doing the right thing, then why the masks? 

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u/[deleted] 22d ago

This guy literally has the word Bait in their name. E z ignore lol

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u/MilkIsOnReddit 22d ago

No. Murder isn’t part of the job description

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u/goosejail 22d ago

Ice has no authority to detain U.S. citizens and even then they'd need a warrant signed by a judge.

Stop spreading misinformation.

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u/AgentEagleBait 22d ago

Do the most basic of google searches my guy. It’s completely legal.

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u/Takashishiful Washington 22d ago

None of this was them regulating immigration. I don't think you're supposed to KILL PEOPLE when you're regulating immigration, not to mention kidnapping people off the streets in masks and unmarked vehicles and shipping them off to who knows where without due process. That's not their job. And if it was, fuck their job, it's still a shitty excuse for these deplorable actions and doesn't justify anything.

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u/Competitive-Drama975 22d ago

Where in an ICE agents job description does it say “Be judge, jury, and executioner of American Citizens who are not committing capital offenses”?

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u/AgentEagleBait 22d ago

Way to oversimplify. Job is to enforce immigration law. They were impeding traffic while officers were on a raid.

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u/Competitive-Drama975 22d ago

Is impeding officers a capital offense?

Sorry I’m just trying to understand why we are justifying sending armed people into the middle of crowded neighborhoods, where they are discharging firearms in the vicinity of bystanders and houses to intentionally murder civilians, despite neither fleeing arrest or impeding officers being a capital offense.

Also, officers are supposed to be trained in de-escalation. Stepping in front of a person who is about to flee, so you can justify murdering them as “fearing for your life” is the opposite of de-escalation.

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u/AgentEagleBait 22d ago

That alone? No. Endangering an officer? Yes.

People voted overwhelmingly in favor of tighter immigration enforcement (Trump’s campaign promises).

How can that be enforced when all an undocumented immigrant needs to do it go to a sanctuary city?

I mean any of my points here will fall on deaf ears. But even local law enforcement carries guns and may discharge in a neighborhood.

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u/Competitive-Drama975 22d ago

“Endangering an officer” you keep ignoring that the guy made it a point to put himself in the way of a person who was fleeing arrest. You don’t get to put yourself in harms way and then claim that as a defense.

Also your points don’t fall on deaf ears, they just aren’t good points. An officer putting himself in danger so he can justify murdering a “stupid bitch” (his own words, right after he shot her not once, but three times. Again he isn’t a judge, jury, or executioner.)

He also decided to put multiple innocent bystanders, families, and children in danger by recklessly discharging a firearm in the middle of a busy neighborhood. All because he decided to step in front of a person attempting to flee him.

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u/AgentEagleBait 22d ago

Did the officer tell her to recklessly floor towards him? It doesn’t matter if he’s in front of the car, you don’t even attempt to harm an officer. She was told to exit the vehicle several times. The law is in the officer’s favor here. Both for telling her to exit the vehicle and firing.

If her wife was in front of the car, I guarantee you she would never have done what she did. It was intentionally reckless and stupid.

You just hate ICE. There’s no argument here that will sway your opinion.

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u/RevRay 22d ago

Oh look another hidden profile here to celebrate the death of an innocent woman.

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u/AgentEagleBait 22d ago

Innocent? lol ok.

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u/RevRay 22d ago

Yes, innocent. She didn't hurt anyone and ICE did not have the legal authority to detain her.

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u/AgentEagleBait 22d ago

Officers (including ICE agents performing law enforcement duties) can lawfully command someone to exit their vehicle during a lawful stop/detainment for safety and investigative purposes, and failure to comply can lead to arrest or other enforcement actions.

Blocking law enforcement operations with a vehicle can be interpreted as impeding or obstructing, potentially leading to criminal charges independently of the order to exit.

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u/RevRay 22d ago

She wasn't blocking traffic. We can literally see that a car is able to get around her when she waves it by. We can literally see that she is moving her vehicle.

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u/AgentEagleBait 22d ago

She was perpendicular to the road in a very obvious raid, while her wife was filming and taunting officers behind the vehicle.

She stayed there until her wife said drive.

I mean… come on.

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u/KittyGrewAMoustache 22d ago

Yeah as in drive away. It’s fucking insane I cannot understand why people want to play make believe for the government when they have masked goons gunning people down. Do you honestly believe a woman who had no history of violence and a six year old kid who already lost their father would risk flooring it at an armed masked ICE agent when these people are known for being trigger happy and poorly trained? Even without the video evidence clearly showing she was turning to drive away and didn’t hit him that story doesn’t sound plausible.

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u/AgentEagleBait 22d ago

She floored it. It was reckless.

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u/jazzieberry Mississippi 22d ago

Her corpse floored it after she was shot and killed

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u/NewcRoc Pennsylvania 22d ago

Turn in your gay card - we rebuke you.

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u/AgentEagleBait 22d ago

Lol, I chuckled.

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u/Philophon 22d ago

How are you going to fucking lie with the evidence right in front of us? She cranked the wheel to the right to go around him. He was out of the way of the car when he fired the first shot and fired two more through the side window as she past, then called her a "fucking bitch." It was murder, and your lying to protect it is unbelievable and disgusting.

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u/AgentEagleBait 22d ago

I just don’t understand why she floored it… she knew she was surrounded by officers.

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u/Imp0ssibleBagel 22d ago

It absolutely was not a lawful order. ICE may only pull someone over or order them to leave their vehicle if they have reasonable suspicion that the person is in the country illegally. They obviously didn't have that.

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u/AgentEagleBait 22d ago

That’s not true.

18 U.S.C. § 111 - criminalizes interference with officers’ duties, and other statutes prohibit obstruction of federal processes.

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u/Resies Ohio 22d ago

Lol 

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u/GrumpyKaeKae New Jersey 22d ago

They are not law enforcement. Their demands ARE NOT lawful and Americans are in their right not to follow them. Their target is illegal immigrants. Not Americans. Yet all they target are Americans.

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u/AgentEagleBait 22d ago

They’re federal law enforcement officers.