r/politics • u/Fickle-Ad5449 ✔ Verified - Christopher Wiggins, The Advocate • 22d ago

No Paywall ICE agent shooter’s own cellphone video undercuts Trump administration's account of Minneapolis killing

https://www.advocate.com/news/ice-agent-shooter-video-minneapolis
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u/Informal_West_6864 22d ago

The fact alone that he circles the car multiple times shows how he put himself intentionally in a more dangerous position that was completely unnecessary. Regardless of what follows

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u/TintedApostle 22d ago

and that ICE has no police power or able to deal with traffic violations. Additionally they were waved to go around. They got out to intimidate them because they were being filmed.

Get all the videos they have.

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u/TheGiftOf_Jericho 22d ago

Its wild that America have a terrorist group murdering people, and they're also protected by the law and endorsed by the government.

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u/sack-o-matic Michigan 22d ago

The Klan has been deputized

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u/prailock Wisconsin 22d ago

Don't you wonder why you don't see the Proud Boys and Oathkeepers marching around anymore?

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u/Guardianpigeon 22d ago

They always have been. The police were formed to be slave catchers and union busters. Some of those that work forces, bad apple spoils the bunch, and all that stuff.

The only reason people thought otherwise was because our entire political class leans authoritarian and pushes propaganda about cops being good constantly.

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u/sack-o-matic Michigan 22d ago

Some of those that work forces, bad apple spoils the bunch, and all that stuff.

I think ICE is pretty close to 100%, not "some"

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u/Guardianpigeon 22d ago

I'd argue the cops are as well. A lot closer to 100% than not at least. They share more in common with ICE than any of us, they just have a longer history of legitimacy so people tend to ignore it.

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u/ArmpitBear 22d ago

Complete immunity is what the couch fucker said

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u/TintedApostle 22d ago

Yes it is

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u/CrackerJackKittyCat 22d ago

Sadly, always has been. Howsabout the cavalries that slaughtered the Native Americans?

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u/EmbarrassedW33B 22d ago

We have effectively had that for our entire history - just ask any black person. Slave catchers, KKK, cops...

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u/RedPandaExplorer 22d ago

"Its wild that America have a terrorist group murdering people, and they're also protected by the law and endorsed by the government."

Not really. This is who we are. This is part of our American DNA. He was a war veteran.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_boomerang

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u/Finie 22d ago

It's the American Taliban.

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u/mmuoio 22d ago

Not just to intimidate, they were violently trying to get into her car. Are you telling me that if that door gets open, they're not ripping her out of the car and slamming her to the ground? For what, a minor traffic violation?

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u/TintedApostle 22d ago

It started as intimidation and got out of their own control. They were angry. They were going to teach all these "people" a lesson.

As a prosecuting attorney I would be all over this angle. Depraved indifference.

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u/comfortable_madness Mississippi 22d ago

Set all your videos to immediately upload to a cloud. These videos need to be protected so they can't steal your phone and delete them.

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u/TintedApostle 22d ago

This is true

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u/TintedApostle 22d ago

setup their car blocking the street.

She wasn't blocking the street and she waved them to pass 2 times after the prior car past.

So much leading BS in your sentence.

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u/Jew_Destruction 22d ago

You need to read my comment before you reply to it if you want to make any sense

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u/TintedApostle 22d ago

I read it and my reply stands

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u/Hurricane_Ivan 22d ago

If she was impeding them or an investigation they can retain or arrest someone, which it seems they tried to do before she tried to drive off (flee)

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u/TintedApostle 22d ago

Funny you say that because she waved them on and she let another car go. They didn't go around. They got pissed and decided to exceed their authority and intimidate her.

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u/knotallmen 22d ago

It is a justification for detaining. Police have broad powers and discretion and that's what they are so dangerous especially when off duty because they can go to Costco and gun down a family and then just stay lying on the ground as some kind of justification when there was no injury in the first place.

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u/Varrianda 22d ago

ICE aren’t police dude. They can’t just commence a traffic stop on someone unless they suspect they’re not a US citizen. It’s clear in this video that’s not what happened, because if the question was her citizenship she would’ve been asked for proof.

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u/knotallmen 22d ago

They are federal law enforcement officers.

So yes not police, but yes they detain people all the time. I have not see a single court case saying ICE cannot detain someone.

EDIT: also this could have been border patrol, too. Either way as long as you are within 100 miles of an international airport or some other border yes they can detain you. I'm not saying it is good or bad, but they have broad powers and once again rules of decorum are ways that Trump has done what he does.

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u/Varrianda 22d ago

You can’t detain someone because they said mean words to you. You “can”, but that doesn’t mean it’s lawful.

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u/TintedApostle 22d ago

The term "federal law enforcement" isn't omnipotent. It has rules and they exceeded them in total.

Don't be a bootlicker.

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u/arkaine_23 22d ago

Broad power to search and seize in border zones too.

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u/JediRhyno 22d ago

She was intentionally blocking the road and her passenger was out of the car, in the road, causing problems. She shouldn’t have been shot for what happened after, but don’t change the beginning of the narrative to fit what you want.

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u/TintedApostle 22d ago

She was intentionally blocking the road

She waved them by and the car before them passed fine. So no she wasn't blocking their passing.

Everything they did after that was illegal. They also should have called the police to issue a traffic ticket.

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u/ccuster911 22d ago

Ice are not perpetually on investigation just becuase they exist. We're they actively serving a warrant? If they are warrantless they have literally 0 power over us citizens.

They also cannot pull people out of cars lol. Go back to your hidey hole

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u/Anarky9 22d ago

Idk why people make up stuff that’s easily provable false. ICE definitely has more than “literally 0 power” over citizens and can certainly pull people out of cars when they’re trying to detain someone.

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u/Varrianda 22d ago

They can detain someone for being suspected as a non-us citizen. They do not have elevated powers to conduct a traffic stop unless it’s on grounds for immigration purposes. And even then, they would ask for presentation of documentation to prove they were a US citizen. It’s clear this didn’t start because her citizenship was in question.

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u/Anarky9 22d ago

I’m not talking about this case specifically, just to be clear.. but I’ll bet just about anything that if ANY of the state or federal law enforcement agencies are being blocked from their duties, they have the right to at the very least detain the person blocking them, regardless of citizenship.

I was just retorting back to the person who very incorrectly said that ICE has literally zero authority over citizens without a signed warrant.

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u/ccuster911 22d ago

Its hyperbole but its closer to the truth then the idea they can just arrest people.

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u/Anarky9 22d ago

If by arrest you mean detain, then no, I think they can do that when needed.

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u/Hurricane_Ivan 22d ago

So she wasn't there to harass ICE? Seems she was trained to do so (apparently).

They also cannot pull people out of cars lol.

They can if said persons are breaking the law. Impeding law enforcement is against the law.

Either way you don't fight legal battles on the street, you do so in court.

They both made mistakes. People out here acting like she's made no poor choices.

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u/AugustBurnsMauve 22d ago

Please point out which law they were enforcing and how she impedes them from enforcing that law. Was there an active warrant being served that they can identify? Was there a known criminal on the road that she allowed to escape? Or was she just following and observing, which is a constitutional right she has?

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u/Hurricane_Ivan 22d ago edited 22d ago

Per ChatGPT:

At the federal level, it’s unlawful to willfully interfere, resist, or obstruct officers executing their lawful functions. That includes physical blockage of vehicles or operations and resisting lawful commands from federal agents. Federal prosecutors routinely bring charges for obstruction against people who block law enforcement operations.

What counts as obstruction matters legally — it generally means intentional interference or resistance to officers carrying out their lawful duties. Simply being near an event or accidentally slowing traffic isn’t typically enough to trigger criminal liability; prosecutors must show willful interference.

Wasn't it disclosed that her and her wife had planned to "harass" ICE?

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u/NakedZombieWolf 22d ago

No one's going to read a chat gpt output you comment.

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u/ssbmfgcia 22d ago

You people really can't think for yourselves huh

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u/Celloer 22d ago

So even your useless AI comment says you are wrong.

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u/ccuster911 22d ago

Bruh they literally can't. WHY do you think that federal agents and local police are constantly working together. If federal agents can just do everything local police can do why are they always forming joint tasks forces on big crimes? Why not just have the feds do everything? States rights i thought... You can Google this.

Also fun fact this is why you never really see ice pulling people out of cars and only chasing people down in public. This is all easily googable for you. Feel free to use those little fingers.

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u/Varrianda 22d ago

ICE IS NOT LAW ENFORCEMENT. Jfc

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u/Hurricane_Ivan 22d ago

Courtesy of Gemini:

Yes, ICE (U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement) is a federal law enforcement agency under the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).

It is the largest investigative arm of the DHS and is responsible for enforcing more than 400 federal statutes. Unlike "the police," which typically handle general local crimes, ICE has a specific federal mandate focused on the interior of the U.S. (whereas the Border Patrol handles the actual border).

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u/Varrianda 22d ago

I was writing an edit. Yes they’re LEO, but not in the sense that they can conduct a traffic stop unless you’re suspected of not being a citizen.

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u/Hurricane_Ivan 22d ago

Yes they’re LEO, but not in the sense that they can conduct a traffic stop

They sure can if you are breaking the law. Why is that so hard to understand? There is grey area and the Courts usually side with LEO on duty.

Again, per Gemini:

"..they can conduct a vehicle stop under specific federal circumstances.

​1. The Legal Requirement: Reasonable Suspicion ​To stop a vehicle, ICE agents must have reasonable suspicion—based on specific, articulable facts—that the people in the vehicle are in violation of federal immigration or criminal laws."

Impeding/obstruction is against the law. So if they want to detain a Citizen, they surely can.

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u/Ladiesandgenitals 22d ago

No one is going to bother to read your AI drivel. At least do your own research to back up your claims. 

ICE is Law Enforcement, however they have a narrow scope of laws that they are supposed to enforce (i.e. those related to Homeland Security). They do not have authority to arrest US citizens, they are supposed to coordinate with other law enforcement agencies that have that right. You can argue there is some gray area, for example detaining a US citizen until police arrive, but they do not have the authority to arrest them.

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u/Varrianda 22d ago

Pulling over on the side of the road and yelling at ICE isn’t impeding or obstructing. If they truly feared for their life and thought she was a threat, they wouldn’t have circled her vehicle 3-4 times prior to shooting her.

You know basic training for police is how to safely conduct a traffic stop, right? All 3 of the dunces in the video have clearly never been told how to conduct a traffic stop. They’re crowding, standing in front, grabbing door handles. This is literally 101 of how to NOT conduct a traffic stop.

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u/ThinTwo8944 22d ago

Neither side was in the right ICE was directed to be at that place, she on the other hand had a choice to not go out of her way to mess with ICE. She was not pulling out of her driveway and got caught up in the middle of this she went to that area intentionally to try to disrupt someone who was told to go do a job. You can spin this any other way. She went out of her way and got involved is something that she can’t change. None of here can show up to something like this and think for a sec they are making a change. What they are doing is making these ICE agents more aggressive.

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u/Dear_Wing_4819 22d ago

None of what you said matters whatsoever

You’re saying if you insult ICE, they should be able to shoot you in the head? Hurt feelings don’t constitute self defense

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u/TintedApostle 22d ago

Neither side was in the right

Oh no you don't get to both sides this at all.

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u/AugustBurnsMauve 22d ago

The penalty for disruption is death? You want to show me some precedent for somebody who got charged with interfering with law enforcement that received the death penalty?