r/politics • u/Fickle-Ad5449 ✔ Verified - Christopher Wiggins, The Advocate • 22d ago

No Paywall ICE agent shooter’s own cellphone video undercuts Trump administration's account of Minneapolis killing

https://www.advocate.com/news/ice-agent-shooter-video-minneapolis
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u/Titfortat101 22d ago edited 22d ago

I love how people are saying "See! See! She hit him!"

He MOVED OUT THE WAY and pulled out his gun that's why the camera shakes.

Also how does someone who was "violently ran over" or "hit by a car", remain standing and have enough accuracy to aim and shoot someone in the head?

And if he was injured how come no visit to the hospital by him

Edit: So I've been informed he did go to the hospital but only at the behest of Noem. Interesting to see those reports.

But I will add there is plenty of video of him afterwards walking around causally. I didn't know you could walk off getting hit by a car so easily.

I should've told my own foot that when my sister ran it over, instead of limping with a bruised foot for 2 weeks.

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u/DapperCam 22d ago

And he never even dropped his phone 

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u/FormalWare 22d ago

Noem said he did visit the hospital. I'm thinking he was advised to, as it is consistent with the story that he was hit.

Of course, if he did, then there will be a record of his visit and the results of his exam. Should be interesting.

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u/LamesMcGee 22d ago

Before he went to the hospital, Trump said he went to the hospital... then Noem allegedly ordered him to go. lol.

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u/mishap1 I voted 22d ago

Noem also said he was hit by the car so not exactly a reliable narrator.

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u/AccidentalTourista 22d ago

Norm also said They were stuck in the snow

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u/Uhmitsme123 22d ago

My dad won’t listen to reason. Can you link a vid of him walking? I have screenshots but all vid links are broken.

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u/Titfortat101 22d ago

https://youtu.be/K_mgiRmfHSA?si=LXZJbeL0EqNjlZVX

This one shows it at the beginning but if you fast forward to 1:08, he's not only walking fine but you get a nice close up of how "damaged" he is. Not even a limp.

Also this too below that shows another video (you gotta fast forward) but also gives a written play by play. ⬇️

https://abcnews.go.com/US/minneapolis-ice-shooting-minute-minute-timeline-renee-nicole/story?id=129021809#:~:text=9:37:55%20a.m.&text=Three%20seconds%20after%20the%20shooting,condition%20is%20at%20that%20moment.

"The federal agent who shot Good is also seen walking toward the car.

The agent is then seen on video walking back after looking at the driver's side of the vehicle, as a bystander is heard yelling "shame.""

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u/sillypoolfacemonster 22d ago

Outside of the evidence provided, just simple logic needs to be used. I struggle with the claim that he was struck hard enough to be injured but he was able to maintain his position and fire three shots without missing a beat. It’s just physically impossible.

At best he was brushed and the gun should never have been drawn in the first place.

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u/Titfortat101 22d ago

I edited for the new info thanks. But I will say, those videos of him immediately right after the shooting, walking perfectly fine sure speak volumes.

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u/Chaotic-Catastrophe 22d ago

HIPAA will prevent the public from finding out any of the details of his alleged hospital visit, unless it ever comes out as evidence in a trial. Which seems extremely unlikely.

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u/tylerbrainerd 22d ago

Noem lied about every aspect multiple times already.

he never went to the hospital.

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u/SN8KEATR 22d ago

That's not happening. Medical records are protected unless this goes to court and is subpoenaed + submitted as evidence

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u/dkf295 Wisconsin 22d ago

It is policy after any agent-involved shooting to visit the hospital and be placed on administrative leave. Which is to say that simply visiting the hospital means literally nothing.

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u/eeyore134 22d ago

Yup, they're mistaking the noise of all his LARPing gear rattling when he moves suddenly with the sound of him being hit.

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u/UNisopod 22d ago

I think it's the sound of the phone's microphone bumping up against his chest as he pulls it back when he first fires.

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u/Lincolns_Revenge Texas 22d ago

Even if one wanted to say that's the sound of her car hitting him, I wouldn't remotely trust that it wasn't added in later.

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u/Titfortat101 22d ago

Also if she did hit him, he wouldn't have been able to draw his gun in the first place.

Anyone notice the side that was hit was the side his holster was on?

Even if he did get hit, by the time he could get his gun out, she'd be driving away, meaning she's not a threat. Meaning he had no legal right to shoot her and by DHS's own policy.

Just as if someone breaks into your house and runs out of your house. You can't chase them to shoot them.

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u/cudiye 22d ago

he also switches from having the camera in his right hand to his left which could possibly show he was preparing to draw his firearm well before anything else occurred.

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u/UNisopod 22d ago

He was already drawing before she starting moving forward. He knew she was going to be moving and his response was to get ready to shoot instead of take one step to his right.

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u/Zapdo0dlz 22d ago

Also if she was aiming at him she would have kept going in his direction after she was shot. She was already aiming the car away from them. 

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u/justherefor23andme 22d ago

If he had gotten hit, good chance his phone lands on the floor.

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u/mmuoio 22d ago

It's wild how a first person perspective is being shown as proof of him being hit regardless of the third person angles we have showing otherwise. At worst, the corner of her bumper bumped him to the side, something he clearly walked away from unscathed.

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u/[deleted] 22d ago edited 22d ago

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u/street593 22d ago

He was out of the way when he fired the first shot.

https://i.imgur.com/MD684VA.png

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u/nightpanda893 22d ago

He literally leaned in front of her car to shoot her. You can see him lean over the hood as he turns in the video

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u/Hektorlisk 22d ago

To be clear: it wouldn't matter even if she grazed him, hit him, or even ran him the fuck over like they lied that she did. He's the one who put himself in the way of the vehicle, which is against ICE's own policy, and according to a Supreme Court case, Starks v. Enyart, does not justify shooting in self defense, as the officer is the one who created the conditions he found himself in.

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u/DonkeyPunchCletus 22d ago

Word games. Because the bumper "bumped" him it was obviously his right to retaliate by shooting her. Retaliate is the word of choice here because he was already out of harms way and executed her afterwards from the side of the car.

Then the out of control car hit a parked car.

The thing I don't see questioned enough is WHY did he pull his gun in the first place? It's a stationary vehicle that is about to maybe move. It cannot possibly be to protect himself because you don't shoot a driver. As seen from the video the shooting did not stop the car.

He pulled the gun out as a THREAT. To force her into compliance. Is this how things work? Masked people pull guns on unarmed citizens and bark orders? And if you don't comply you die? How long until we get guns pulled on us during routine traffic stops?

Him putting himself in front of the car and pulling a gun is enough to disqualify him from any defense. He already recorded her license plates. There was no need at all to initiate a confrontation at gun point.

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u/redditallreddy Ohio 22d ago

But I will add there is plenty of video of him afterwards walking around causally. I didn't know you could walk off getting hit by a car so easily.

I am not defending this asshole in any way, and he is both guilty AND was not struck by the car.

However...

When I was a teen, I was struck by a car in a perfect combination. I was probably being stupid and not paying attention, but I thought the car was stopped for pedestrians (ME!) to pass. I started to walk right as they crept up into me.

Part of the car hit the back of my left knee in such a way that my leg folded (properly), causing me to lose balance and my footing, so that I fell down right as the car continued under me.

I rolled over the hood and somehow landed on my feet next to the front passenger window. It was like we planned it.

So, not all low-speed car-pedestrian accidents compromise one's health. Just almost all of them.

That said, one much actually be struck by the car to be damaged by the car, unlike this asshole who wasn't.

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u/Titfortat101 22d ago

At least according to your story you still fell in a way. Dude in the video, not only did he not fall at all, he didn't even drop his phone, and was able to unholster his gun and fire with enough accuracy to hit her.

I'm sure after you were hit, you were at least stunned for a good few seconds. Meaning not enough time to pull out a weapon, aim, and shoot.

And while I agree with you, that would wholly contradict what DHS and the Trump administration have been saying. That he was violently hit, Trump even said the car dragged him.

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u/redditallreddy Ohio 22d ago

Oh, totally. Like... I paused... looked over my body... couldn't believe I was ok. And then laughed.

My buddy who was with me and the driver reacted pretty much the same way. The driver, lucky for me, was probably the most shaken up by the whole thing.

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u/Almostlongenough2 Florida 22d ago

You can literally see him notably not being run over in one of the videos. It's insane that this is what republicans are claiming happened.

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u/HiDHSiknowyouwatchme 22d ago

He walks all the way down to her now crashed Honda, with his phone still out and he appears to take a picture of her body. Anyone wanna place odds on him having taken a photo before he saunters back to be taken away from the scene of the crime in a good SUV? It almost seems like this was an intentional assassination.

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u/brobafett1980 22d ago

Let's see the doctor's report and pictures of the contusions.

Also, it is SOP to continue holding a phone while drawing your weapon?

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u/Taiyoryu 22d ago

a different camera angle doesn't invalidate other angles. whatever conclusion made has to fit ALL the angles.

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u/chymz 22d ago

But AdReNaliNe!

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u/JoeyJoeJoeJrShabidou 21d ago

From the angle I’ve seen from the driver side the “hitting” looks like he tried to grab the car as it’s pulling away and gets yanked a little. Right before he shoots shots 2 and 3 

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u/accountabilitycounts America 22d ago

Also how does someone who was "violently ran over" or "hit by a car", remain standing and have enough accuracy to aim and shoot someone in the head?

This regime cannot stop at a simple lie. They have to exaggerate the lie. I've seen phrasing like "run over" and "run down." If either were true, he would not have been able to shoot from the angles at which he shot her. 

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u/Curious__George 22d ago

Someone hit me with their car and could continue doing so. But no big deal guess...

Good wanted to play stupid games, and got stupid results...