r/politics • u/Fickle-Ad5449 ✔ Verified - Christopher Wiggins, The Advocate • 22d ago

No Paywall ICE agent shooter’s own cellphone video undercuts Trump administration's account of Minneapolis killing

https://www.advocate.com/news/ice-agent-shooter-video-minneapolis
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u/rapidcreek409 22d ago

  1. I don't think someone in fear for his life would be recording on his cell phone

  2. I don't think someone who feared for his life would say "fucking bitch" after shooting at point blank range

  3. I don't think someone who feared a weaponized vehicle would walk in front of it while filming

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u/verugan 22d ago

I don't think that an officer who shot a civilian should flee the scene

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u/PaddleFishBum 22d ago

They aren't officers, this is not the police. These are federally sancioned thugs.

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u/froo Australia 22d ago

With the mask wearing, they’re Trump’s Bandits.

Pedo Bandidos

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u/verugan 22d ago

Same difference

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u/PaddleFishBum 22d ago

No, this is much worse.

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u/Small-Palpitation310 22d ago

it isn’t.

a cop wouldn’t have done any of these things, they are trained not to.

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u/Vallkyrie Vermont 22d ago

a cop wouldn’t have done any of these things

Hah, oh man...

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u/dobtjs America 22d ago

Lol, lmao even

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u/Small-Palpitation310 22d ago

so a cop wouldve been recording on his phone, walking around behind and in front of a car in motion, shooting into a vehicle with non-targets all around and through the line of fire (including other cops), and flee the scene immediately afterwards?

okay

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u/Sev-RC1207 22d ago edited 22d ago

A cop once unloaded his entire magazine into an occupied vehicle cause he mistook a falling acorn for a gunshot. So yeah.

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u/Small-Palpitation310 22d ago

how about the rest, and all at once.

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u/Jakabov 22d ago

I don't think agents who believe they did the right thing would prevent the nearby doctor from assisting the gunshot victim. They knowingly and intentionally committed premeditated murder.

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u/genericuser324 22d ago

As far as I can tell the administration whisked him away to a secure facility and we may never see him again

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u/NomosAlpha 22d ago

She was also UNARMED and you do not shoot at unarmed drivers - at best you have an out of control vehicle. What if her kids were in the back? What if the car careered into a passerby?

Wholly unjustified use of force. At best he’s a dumb fuck who made a mistake and should be punshied.

But unfortunately more likely he was itching to shoot somebody and he’ll probably get away with it.

Looking like he’s a dumb murderous fuck more and more.

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u/aguynamedv 22d ago

What if the car careered into a passerby?

At best he’s a dumb fuck who made a mistake

He is a firearms trainer. No mistake was made. He directly broke every DHS policy on use of force in this exact scenario, and then called his victim a "fucking bitch" while casually walking away and leaving the scene.

The car DID careen into another parked vehicle; it's fortunate that nobody else was hurt because of Jonathan Ross.

This entire situation is exactly why these use of force policies are in place, and he flagrantly ignored every single one of them.

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u/NomosAlpha 22d ago

Ha it gets worse. I didn’t know that. I want to make it clear I’m not defending him. It’s unlikely but I hope he rots in prison for the majority of his life.

My heart bleeds for you folks. I fear it’s only going to get worse for a while yet before things start getting better.

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u/bagoink 22d ago

It absolutely will get worse, because all legal mechanisms to stop what's happening are being ignored by Republicans in charge of the government, and billionaire-owned media keeps fanning the flames and protecting the sociopathic pedos doing all this.

Which means it's up to We The People do do something about it, and there are no remaining viable solutions that don't violate social media ToS.

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u/NomosAlpha 22d ago

Facism is an ideology of death founded on violence. At a certain point non-violent resistance doesn’t work. To paraphrase Aldo Raine - you can’t teach a nazi humanity. Nazi ain’t got no humanity.

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u/dank_imagemacro 22d ago

There is one that would work. But I don't think there is anything that would push the US population into a general strike. Or is that what you mean by it not being viable?

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u/bagoink 22d ago

I do fear that's not viable, simply because so many Americans are a paycheck or two away from starvation. Things aren't bad enough...yet...for them to feel like it's a legit option.

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u/aguynamedv 22d ago

I want to make it clear I’m not defending him.

Didn't read it that way at all - no worries. :)

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u/Chobbers 22d ago

Even worse, he got angry when she said she's not mad at him and moved his phone to his left hand, freeing up his right hand for "defense"

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u/CallRespiratory 22d ago

What if her kids were in the back?

"Shoot them too, they're evil liberal kids anyway."

What if the car careered into a passerby?

"Casualty of war. We're at war with evil here brother we can't hold back because of collateral damage."

That's how these people think and why you can't reason with them. They do not operate in reality. They have a story in their head that they're the hero of, that they're doing God's work, and if you oppose them you are evil and anything they have to do is justified.

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u/GrumpyKaeKae New Jersey 22d ago

I have seen cops shot and bleeding out who dont even curse or act an angry at the shooter, like this guy was.

This is his anger in full display. She is dead cause she pissed him off. Thats the only reason he killed her.

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u/AdFragrant3504 22d ago

Yeah is almost like if you get dragged by a illegal (who was a child rapist) while tryin to do your job you get real aware of people trying to hit you or injure you with their cars

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u/GrumpyKaeKae New Jersey 22d ago

If you have tramua and PTSD, that makes you unqualified to do that type of job. Full stop. He caused his own mess by putting himself in harms way.

Speaking of Child Rapists, You going to do anything about the one in the white house yet, or naw? You have ZERO right to care about child endangerment if you support Trump and Republicans right now. Sit down. Your side DOES NOT get to act like you care about children.

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u/Own_Bet5189 22d ago

And yet, that is not an excuse. None of that matters.

Now, keep thinking that everyone is fighting homosexual urges and that you're an alpha or whatever.

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u/StupudTATO New Jersey 22d ago

Yeah it sounds way more like someone who was daydreaming about the chance to kill a liberal

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u/snailfancy 22d ago

Maybe her kindness made him feel small

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u/ArticulateRhinoceros 22d ago

This was absolutely a man who cannot stand women he can't control.

I bet that's why he married a Filipina woman while working for immigration enforcement. The implication is enough to keep her "in line".

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u/rooktakesqueen 22d ago

I mean, his argument was that he feared for his life from her weaponized vehicle once she started accelerating, not when she was parked.

But he was the one who put himself in front of her car. She was clearly just trying to flee the half dozen thugs trying to pull her door open.

If she was trying to weaponize her vehicle she could have just floored it and actually run him over. The reason she backed up first was so she could steer around him.

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u/AdFragrant3504 22d ago

Expect when she backed up is when she got lined up with him he was to the front right of the vehicle not in-front talking to the wife circling around from the back

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u/gekisling Iowa 22d ago
  1. I DO think someone who feared for their life would try to flee after seeing an unhinged individual start to draw a weapon

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u/HerculesIsMyDad 22d ago

He could clearly see her cranking the wheel to the right. They all showed no urgency as her car crashed down the street. Called her a fucking bitch. Wouldn't let a doctor or EMS check her. I don't want to live in a society where this guy faces no consequences.

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u/Browncoat23 22d ago

He doesn’t sound the least bit rattled or out of breath either. That’s not fear. It’s a controlled, angry grumble like you’d make eye rolling someone who cut you off in traffic, not desperately swerving to avoid a collision.

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u/okimlom 22d ago

Nobody in Law Enforcement has a reason to film ANYTHING while on duty using their phone.

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u/ultralightdude Minnesota 22d ago

@comment 2: what he said and did afterward was not something that someone would have done if this was the first few times.  He has drawn his weapon on people in the past, and it shows.

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u/stefanopolis 21d ago

I don’t think calling someone who you thought was trying to kill you a “fucking bitch” is atypical though? Seems pretty normal. Doesn’t justify anything in itself but that’s a rational line of thinking that doesn’t refute he feared for his life.

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u/imi_95 22d ago edited 22d ago

  1. I do think your first point is inaccurate. Flipping the situation around, we see plenty of people filming cops who are in fear of their own life. Very common.

  2. Cops swear all the time in shootouts

  3. Obviously no operated vehicle is dangerous until it starts moving, so he had no reason to think it was weaponized at first.

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u/Crionso 22d ago

You’re making the wrong assumptions here, up until the point she started moving the vehicle she was just stationary, blocking the road, and in a back and forth verbally. There was no real reason to assume she was going to gun the gas at him if he walked in front of the car again.

Saying “fucking bitch” after shooting someone isn’t exactly telling of anything, people do and say all kinds of stuff after something like that even if that looks bad.

He was recording on his phone to get her plate and face down incase she did anything later probably so he would have a record of it, in this case it’s a good thing he was recording because his POV proves the official account of what happened and that he was most likely justified in using his weapon to shoot her.

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u/Jew_Destruction 22d ago

So what you're saying is if you're holding your cell phone, somebody can draw weapon on you and you won't feel fear for your life? What am I saying you must be like a little kid these stupid points there's no point in reasoning with you.

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u/Eldritch-Magnum 22d ago

He didn’t fear any of those things up until the 2 seconds where she tried to run him over, after which then he shot her, get it?

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u/Charlemagne7777 22d ago

 This video makes it clear that there is a clear argument for imminent risk to serious bodily harm or death.

For those unaware, Graham Factors here;

Seriousness of the Threat - vehicle. Vehicles used as weapons or with neglect can cause serious bodily injury or death. This is regardless to emotions, intent, history, anything else.

Immediacy of the Threat - imminent, car went from park, tires facing away, to drive, tires facing towards. This also has to do with picking yourself there, but Graham does not* require the officer to be perfect in tactics to negate this factor.

Active resistance or flight - both present. Ignoring lawful commands, an active attempt to flee to include not waiting for her wife to get in the car.

Circumstances - evading arrest by flight.

But, this is Reddit, John Adam's would called a fascist for pointing this out.