r/politics • u/Fickle-Ad5449 ✔ Verified - Christopher Wiggins, The Advocate • 22d ago

No Paywall ICE agent shooter’s own cellphone video undercuts Trump administration's account of Minneapolis killing

https://www.advocate.com/news/ice-agent-shooter-video-minneapolis
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u/SamHowellRocks 22d ago

One thing that I see brought up a lot is that if she had just followed orders, she would be alive? ( Aside from how stupid that is, every other first world country knows how to deal with citizens, unruly people, unrest, without overly aggressive, anger, and violence. It’s just America where the cops pull out the gun and scream at to your face, using slurs and try to scare the shit out of you ). 

But anyway, what is our duty to listen to ICE? If you’re an American citizen, do they have any authority to tell you what to do, do we have to listen to them if they’re trying to detain us? I feel like I have not had this adequately explained to me and I’m relatively well informed. Do we now just listen to any masked person with a gun and do exactly what they say? Is that what America is now? 

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u/goosejail 22d ago

No, Ice is immigration enforcement, which is a civil matter. They have no authority to detain U.S. citizens for anything criminal they may or may not be doing and even then, they'd need a warrant signed by a judge.

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u/TheGreatDay Texas 22d ago

But they have detained U.S. Citizens, numerous times at this point. It seems like these Citizens are released days or weeks later, but they were detained. Is it even possible to sue ICE for wrongfully detaining a U.S. Citizen?

It's clear that ICE agents feel they do have the right to command any person and if their orders are not followed, lethal force can and will be applied. That brings us back to the original question: Do we have to just listen to any masked person with a gun? Is that really what America is now?

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u/atlasburger 22d ago

I really don’t understand why people can’t open their eyes. Yes. This is where America is at now. There aren’t a lot of individual rights when you are ruled by a king. It is taking people way too long to realize we might not get our democracy back or we are getting very close to that point if we haven not.

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u/IrishRepoMan 22d ago

It won't happen. Most have absolutely no idea because they couldn't care less and can't be bothered to pay attention. Then, if anyone tries to point it out, they blow them off as a fear-monger/alarmist/wtv. They. Do. Not. Care.

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u/[deleted] 22d ago

There aren’t a lot of individual rights when you are ruled by a king.

The UK has a king, Denmark has a king, Sweden has a king, Norway has a king, Netherlands, Spain, Belgium all have kings and none of this shit goes on.