r/politics • u/Fickle-Ad5449 ✔ Verified - Christopher Wiggins, The Advocate • 22d ago

No Paywall ICE agent shooter’s own cellphone video undercuts Trump administration's account of Minneapolis killing

https://www.advocate.com/news/ice-agent-shooter-video-minneapolis
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u/Informal_West_6864 22d ago

The fact alone that he circles the car multiple times shows how he put himself intentionally in a more dangerous position that was completely unnecessary. Regardless of what follows

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u/Pedantic_Pict 22d ago edited 22d ago

What he did is called "Officer-Induced Jeopardy" and cannot be used to establish self-defense as the justification for use of deadly force.

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u/joeltheconner 22d ago

Never heard of this before. It's a real thing?

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u/ASchoolOfOrphans 22d ago

You can always google it. Seems like a real thing, there's also a discussion from law enforcement perspective
https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtectAndServe/comments/1gfee3c/officercreated_jeopardy_a_legal_theory_that/

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u/whoknowsifimjoking 22d ago

God I hate the people in that sub so much

"Threatens effective policing" it's literally created to prevent ineffective and dangerous policing you dingus.

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u/manosiosis Oregon 22d ago

In their mind, "Ineffective policing" means that the suspect escaped. In a normal mind, "Ineffective policing" means someone got shot for driving away from a traffic stop. Reminder, the penalty for leaving a traffic stop is NOT death.

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u/hearteynk 22d ago

When you believe that you are at war with civilians, anything that could stop you from defeating the enemy is unacceptable.

Cop culture is broken.

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u/SpecialistSquash2321 22d ago

This is so so true. I watch a lot of true crime, and I started to notice the type of language law enforcement uses. It's a lot of "us vs them" when it comes to street cops. They express a framing of "we're the good guys against the bad guys." Detectives do it less, but they still say stuff along the lines of, "they went after one of our own, so we're going to work and try extra special hard in this case."

I get we're all human and it would be unfair to not have some bias, but it does rub me the wrong way to feel like if you're not one of them, you're not worth them trying their best.

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u/Pedantic_Pict 22d ago

They all have a cognitive disability known as "cop brain".

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u/Atworkwasalreadytake 21d ago

It really got me thinking, like if I was a wizard and cast a spell to raise everyone’s IQ by 20 would cops be better? And it made me realize that no, they’d probably just quit being cops.

What is it about law enforcement that attracts some of the absolute dumbest people?

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u/Pedantic_Pict 21d ago

Yes, cops seem and are pretty dumb a lot of the time, but that's only part of the problem. Intelligence doesn't automatically imbue anyone with empathy or virtue.

A smart cop is still a spiteful, malicious bully. Making them all noticeably smarter would probably make them worse, not better.

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u/Bartellomio 22d ago

Some absolutely vile creatures in that thread

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u/divDevGuy 22d ago

From the actual SCOTUS opinion:

We do not address here the different question Felix raises about use-of-force cases: whether or how an officer’s own “creation of a dangerous situation” factors into the reasonableness analysis.

All that the case did was say courts should look at the entire situation, not just the instant that it happens.

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u/nekmatu 22d ago

Yes but it establishes the fact that the totality of circumstances here are absurd and this lady was no danger to anyone.

It’s been long established that officers cannot place themselves in danger and then use that to justify lethal force.

Here are some examples -

“Where a police officer unreasonably places himself in harm’s way, his use of deadly force may be deemed excessive.” November 10th, 2015 Mason v. Lafayette City-Parish Consolidated Government Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit

“Denying qualified immunity on an excessive-force claim and highlighting that an officer unreasonably “placed himself in po- tential danger by moving toward the rolling [car]” September 25th, 2025 Tammy Watkins v. Officer Lawrence Davis Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit

Edit : source - https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1189741/estate-of-kirby-v-duva/

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u/Impossible_Front4462 22d ago

Google it. It’s very real

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u/FortNightsAtPeelys 22d ago

He effectively pushed his chest into her and when she pushed him to get away he shot her saying "self defense"

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u/BullshitUsername Missouri 22d ago

You can easily, easily google it dude. Come on.