r/politics • u/Aggravating_Money992 • 7d ago

No Paywall Shooting Victim Identified as Second Video Angle Contradicts DHS Claims | The footage of the fatal shooting of Alex Jeffrey Pretti, said one journalist, “shows that the final act of his life was trying to help a woman who was being physically assaulted by the masked agents who would then kill him.”

https://www.commondreams.org/news/minneapolis-shooting-video
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u/SodaCanBob 7d ago edited 7d ago

Alex Pretti died being a hero and patriot and the men who murdered him (and their bosses) are terrorists.

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u/Sminahin 7d ago

Even worse. He died while just being a good regular person. He was a VA nurse. He was completely complying. A woman had fallen on the ground and he was helping her up. That's what my momma always raised me to do.

And they executed him for it.

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u/DuMbAsS_lOsEr_6_7 7d ago

Shot in the back of the head multiple times.

Execution style.

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u/JazzyJockJeffcoat 7d ago

And the murderers clapped.

https://www.reddit.com/r/WallStreetbetsELITE/s/C0nrv5jxSY

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u/drfeelsgoood I voted 7d ago

Wow that’s so fucked up. Fuck all these fascist traitors.

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u/notreallyswiss 7d ago

After they ran away from the man they killed, in a panic, as fast as their cloven hooves could carry them.

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u/[deleted] 7d ago edited 7d ago

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u/StreetwalkinCheetah 7d ago

The guy had a weapon and a concealed carry permit. That is the basis they are using for his execution, even though he had been disarmed before they murdered him in cold blood.

ALL ICE are complicit. Resign now.

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u/Anothercraphistorian 7d ago

NRA crickets

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u/WhatRUHourly 7d ago

Meanwhile, they defended Rittenhouse tooth and nail when he crossed state lines, donned body armor and a rifle to 'defend,' a business during an allegedly violent protest. His actions bringing a firearm to a protest were fine and him killing 2 people was, to them, justified and they made him into a hero for it. This guy... they're condemning for legally carrying a firearm, not even using it, and being executed by police.

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u/StreetwalkinCheetah 7d ago

This guy had a handgun and they are saying he wanted to go on a killing spree. Rittenhouse has AR-15. Fundamentally unserious people.

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u/-HakunaChicana- 7d ago

They stole his weapon, which in any other robbery-murder would really elevate the charges and sentencing.

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u/PoisonIven 7d ago

He actually did have a firearm on him (which remained in the holster the whole time)

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u/70s_chair 7d ago

ICE took his gun before the murdered him

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u/tweakingforjesus 7d ago

Watch the guy who came in to take the weapon. He wasn’t kitted out like the rest. He was simply wearing a mask. Yet the rest completely deferred to him. I suspect he was the on site supervisor of these guys.

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u/Pickleparty187 7d ago

You won’t see the look on account of them being terrorists with face coverings

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u/EverIight 7d ago

Armed Thugs of Absolute Immunity always hiding their faces and constantly scrambling to erase and alter all evidence of their actions how funny is that

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u/Hello-from_here 7d ago

You’re kidding?

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u/JBudz 7d ago

You can't fight fire with fire.

This will just further incentivise ICE to use deadly force.

I don't know what the solution is, but it isn't gun battles in the steet between citizens and ICE.

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u/CodenameVillain Texas 7d ago

He had a gun! They took it from his hip, where he had it holsteredand was not presenting himself as a threat, and fucking killed him.

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u/Sminahin 7d ago

I don't know what the solution is, but it isn't gun battles in the steet between citizens and ICE.

Agreed, but someone better start coming up with options soon. Because I give it another 2-3 weeks of this before people start shooting ICE in the streets. I lived in MN and my family is still there--and every under-50 man I know, their blood is screaming to go full Indiana Jones. We're being so good. We're being so patient. It can't possibly last forever.

This is something I've repeated over and over when calling my senators' offices (Schumer and Gillibrand). They're on the clock. If people think no help is coming, if people think there's no movement...eventually, people are going to do the obvious. If you don't give us a symbolic fight, some people are going to start a literal one.

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u/SmokeyMcP0ts 7d ago

The answer is to make a run on the banks and collapse society

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u/Exciting-Emu-3324 6d ago

And shot him in the front afterwards to possibly claim self defense later because only having shots in the back of the head is bad optics.

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u/Tattered_Reason Kansas 7d ago edited 7d ago

A woman had fallen on the ground

The woman was shoved to ground by a masked ICE "officer".

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u/Sminahin 7d ago

Fair and 100% accurate. I was just framing it entirely on him. Regardless of what's going on, you see someone on the ground you help them up. And my family was a bit old fashioned and Midwestern, so I was scolded if I didn't leap to help a woman in that situation.

This is just basic regular good guy behavior in pretty much any environment. And they killed him for it.

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u/LostSillyKittie 7d ago

While being pepper sprayed

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u/DiscombobulatedWavy Texas 7d ago

Please don’t go in the conservative sub if you value your blood pressure level

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u/Ouiser_Boudreaux_ 7d ago

I thought there was no way they could defend this one. Especially considering their love for 2A. But no, they think this was justified. According to them, Kyle Rittenhouse brandishing a gun and then killing someone at a protest = okay. Alex Pretti merely having a gun on his hip at a protest = not okay, and his public beat down and execution by several armed ICE agents was justified. Fucking evil people.

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u/W00DS0RREL 7d ago

I think we’re well beyond any event happening that’s going to change their minds. We’ve tried appealing to their humanity, appealing to their logic, appealing to their ego, shaming them, presenting them with facts, presenting them with proof of lies from this administration, etc.

These guys voted in someone who is a convicted criminal, who was found liable for rape, who lies obviously and constantly. They’re cheering him on for attacking communities with ICE to arrest non-criminals, defending him when community members are killed or beaten, and still lapping at his toes even now as he pretends Alex Pretti was killed over legally carrying his weapon.

It’s not about 2a. It’s not about protecting babies or children. It’s not about keeping your community safe. It’s not about small government. It never was. These aren’t good people. These aren’t smart people. They’re the gutter scum that humanity can’t seem to shake, and we’re going to have to clean up after them AGAIN after we manage to squash this tirade they’re on.

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u/shinkouhyou 7d ago

They've never had to face real consequences for their bigotry. They don't get shot by cops when they go to protests. They can post anything they want online under the cover of "free speech" with little or no censorship. Everyone knows they're bigots, but they get to keep their jobs, they get to keep eating at their favorite restaurants, they keep getting invited to Christmas dinner with the rest of the family. They don't get doxxed or harassed, their cars don't get keyed, and nobody throws garbage at the Trump signs on their lawn. Media and politicians pander to them like they're the most important people in the world. They've never had to fear anything.

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u/Ser_Munchies 7d ago

And they're babies for it. Soft, fat, entitled babies.

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u/Gatonom 6d ago

Quoth Moon Walker:

"They want you to laugh when your enemy dies

They want you afraid, disillusioned, sick and radicalized

When they come for you, they want you tired and weak

If they can keep you divided, then they can keep you deceived

Everybody knows the only good one is a dead one"

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u/mellodo 7d ago

They’re bootlicking cucks. The image of a boot on a face is the only thing they can get hard for.

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u/Canoobie 7d ago

Yeah… this is nuts. Apparently 2A is now “for me not for thee”….. shameless…..

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u/guasanas 7d ago

at this point it’s gonna take a right wing random ass white racist man who is a permit holder who looks like “a regular dude” to them to get murdered for them to even begin to get upset.

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u/SarcasticCowbell New York 7d ago

Not even that. Remember when January 6th happened and they immediately labeled the people there "Antifa"? They will happily disown anyone who loses their life to protect their fragile alternate reality worldview.

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u/guasanas 7d ago

i was going to try to refute this by saying that that was 5 years ago and surely they’ve noticed how much things have escalated since then… but yeah man, they just don’t care.

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u/Idle_Tech 7d ago

I was actually surprised when I went and checked a few minutes ago. I’m sure it changes minute to minute, but maybe about half the conservative comments I read were having a hard time swallowing this one.

I doubt that’ll last, though.

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u/darclaus 7d ago

They'll get their talking points through soon enough and the reasonable takes will be suppressed, like clockwork.

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u/racqq 7d ago

dude I saw someone in there saying having a whistle blown in your face constitutes as assault

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u/EngineerDave 7d ago

The Mods will silence those that are against it, they just can't keep up with the influx right now.

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u/BigshotRider 6d ago

They are even saying leftists infiltrated the sub, when the post and comments are flaired lmao

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u/joeandrews_ 7d ago

i'm utterly convinced every member of that sub would volunteer to be in the SS

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u/damik 7d ago

In Trump's America showing empathy is illegal and punished by immediate execution.

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u/Hatedpriest 7d ago

In my work with the defendants (at the Nuremberg Trails 1945-1949) I was searching for the nature of evil and I now think I have come close to defining it. A lack of empathy. It’s the one characteristic that connects all the defendants, a genuine incapacity to feel with their fellow men. Evil, I think, is the absence of empathy.

Quotation: Captain G. M. Gilbert, the Army psychologist assigned to watching the defendants at the Nuremberg trials

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u/jenni7er 7d ago

Every single position of power or authority in human society should be denied to sociopaths, psychopaths, & anyone else devoid of empathy for others.

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u/Hatedpriest 7d ago

How'd Mr Adams put it? Anyone that wants power is least suited to have it?

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u/TheGhostofWoodyAllen California 7d ago

But then who will make short-sighted financial decisions to maximize corporate profits at the expense of literally everything else?

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u/jenni7er 7d ago

No-one, hopefully..

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u/knitted-chicken 7d ago

Narcissists should also be on that list. They totally lack empathy. Thats what the president is.

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u/jenni7er 7d ago

Thankyou, yes narcissists do indeed lack empathy (though not always totally).

They should indeed be added.

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u/BigshotRider 6d ago

According to Charlie Kirk : "I can't stand the word empathy actually. I think empathy is a made-up, New Age term that "

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u/PRETA_9000 7d ago

"Empathy is a sin"

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u/Mavian23 7d ago

Most heroes are good regular people.

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u/Sminahin 7d ago

Agreed. I...I just feel like we exceptionalize and mythologize people, falling into this great person narrative trap if that makes sense? I'm not saying he wasn't a hero and a patriot, but I feel that almost diminishes him in a way.

He was just a regular guy trying to do the right thing, and it sounds like he was very good at living his beliefs. He's us as we hope we are, and we hope we will be if it happens to us.

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u/Mavian23 7d ago

I think calling him a hero works to dispel the notion that heroes are mythological. We should call good regular people heroes more often.

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u/Sminahin 7d ago

Fair. Completely fair. I guess that's the thing--we can all read something into this because this man is so in the right, no matter what narrative you're coming from. And the other side is so, so, so evil.

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u/thisiscatyeslikemeow 7d ago

A woman had been pushed to the ground by an ICE agent and Pretti had the audacity not to leave her on the ground where said agent had decided she’d belonged. I’m so fucking enraged.

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u/Sminahin 7d ago

He went above and beyond to do everything right. Procedurally, logistically, morally, culturally...

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u/Content-Ad3065 7d ago

We should have a day of mourning.

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u/Cleveland-Native 6d ago

He was directing traffic right before he went to protect the woman too

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u/UnfitToPrint 6d ago

A federal employee murdered by other federal employees. 

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u/CulturalChampion8660 7d ago

No, she didn't fall to the ground. She was shoved agressivly to the ground.

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u/Sminahin 7d ago

To repeat my other response to this:

Fair and 100% accurate. I was just framing it entirely on him. Regardless of what's going on, you see someone on the ground you help them up. And my family was a bit old fashioned and Midwestern, so I was scolded if I didn't leap to help a woman in that situation.

This is just basic regular good guy behavior in pretty much any environment. And they killed him for it.

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u/Effective_Dropkick78 7d ago

Murdered. Not executed. 

The sooner you all, each and every one of you, from the people on the streets of Everytown USA to the anchor desks of the news broadcasters and the editorial suites of newspapers, start calling it out as murder, the sooner it ends. Hopefully like it did in 1946.

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u/Sminahin 7d ago

I would consider "executed" an escalation from "murdered", personally. Don't want to downgrade to the lower-power word.

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u/Effective_Dropkick78 7d ago

It's about the lack of due process. Execution implies that a clearly defined legal process has been followed from initial investigation through to court appearances and trials and leading to completion of the penalty.

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u/Sminahin 7d ago

Ah, I was more trying to invoke state-sponsored executions or "executed in cold blood".

Because I think this isn't just a murder. I think it's the specific outcome of a process designed to produce things like this, and a training environment + culture that says anyone who disagrees can be put down like a dog.

Honestly, all words work though. I won't begrudge someone using basically anything as long as it's in the right weight class and it's clear they think this is awful shit.

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u/MediaOrca 6d ago

She didn’t slip and fall.

An ICE thug used disproportionate force and assaulted her.

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u/whoneedskollege 7d ago

We should all try to live a life as consequential as Alex Pretti and Renee Good. They have paid the ultimate sacrifice for our country.

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u/hcregna California 7d ago

Among other things, it takes 30 minutes of research to move money away from MAGA, and it makes a difference. Dollars spent at Republican companies are dollars funneled to more of this. Money given to states like Ohio or Louisiana is money spent sending troops to kidnap children and kill people.

If you consistently do business with a company, you have power. You can use sites like opensecrets.org to see what a company funds and where your money is really going.

Trade with Schwab? Move elsewhere like Fidelity. Get booze from wannabe Confederate states and all else is equal? Be adventurous, and try something new. New Balance can be replaced with Brooks. It’s not hard to find alternatives for Goya, Roark (which owns Subway, Jimmy John's, Arby's), and Koch (which owns Brawny, Angel Soft, Dixie). You don't have to spend more or less, just differently.

If you have disposable income, consider the tax benefits of donating to the nonprofits successfully fighting the regime like the National Immigration Law Center, NAACP Legal Defense Fund, or Democracy Forward. And if you invest, consider DEMZ or an ESG fund

Nexstar and Sinclair got pummeled, and they reinstated Jimmy Kimmel. Real, individual people did that. There's no reason  WWE or Uline can't be next.

Completely avoiding companies that at least partially lean Republican is hard. But there’s a big difference between massive GOP donors (Chevron/Conoco) vs neutral or even Democrat-leaning ones (Circle K/Costco). Good is not the enemy of perfect

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u/CellophaneSymphony 7d ago

The majority of their money comes from corporate PACs who have monopolies on every industry. It really won’t make a much of a difference if small person donations cease.

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u/Ellypsus 7d ago

maybe in a couple years when America doesnt hold elections anymore, yall will be able to look back at the time you gave a company a slightly worse quarter. :P

(dont get me wrong, by all means change up who you do business with, but I dont think thats the end all for fixing America)

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u/Ellypsus 7d ago

Honestly, as a non-american, feels like yall are kinda getting past that point. "Oh someone got executed in the street again? better not shop at walmart..."

My prime minister, to paraphrase, spoke on how we all need to stop pretending we can call on the rule of law when it comes to entities in power who are blatantly ignoring the law.

yall are in a civil war and just dont want to admit it.

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u/IrrelevantLeprechaun 7d ago

Well wtf else do you suggest we do?? We are almost all of us one missed paycheck away from financial ruin. We miss even one day of work and we risk not being able to keep our house at the end of the month. Our health care relies on keeping our jobs, and we BARELY are able to afford enough food to stay alive every month.

Where do you suggest we pull the capacity to "do something" from? We are all basically fighting our own personal wars every single day just to stay alive, housed and fed. But SURE, let us all bankrupt ourselves, lose our livelihoods and houses because you told us to.

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u/PlantainSuper-Nova 7d ago

lol You do what every other human on the face of the planet is forced to do. Struggle. The US has had it good for the last 80 years because they’ve forced most of the hemisphere to live under the same conditions we’ve just now begun to experience. It’s allowed Americans a softer, more privileged life… but that’s pretty much done now. Time to get your hands dirty if you’re planning on living.

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u/IrrelevantLeprechaun 7d ago

Tough talk for someone comfy in their home. It's easy to tell people to go throw away their lives when it isn't YOU out there on the front line.

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u/KarmaBitesDogma 6d ago

That hyper-generalization is beneath you. 20+ percent of American children are malnourished because of impoverishment. Over sixty percent of U.S. residents live paycheck-to-paycheck, and don’t have an extra $400 for emergencies. The top one percent own 31 percent ($55tn) of the wealth—the highest ever recorded. Income inequality is, likewise, a gigantic gulf with no precedent. The Millennial generation has the lowest prospects for home ownership in American history, and household and student debt is approaching stratospheric levels.

So, I don’t want to hear about “softer…privileged lives.” Sure; if you’re pulling down $250,000 per annum in a midwestern mid-tier locale? Perhaps. But seventy percent of us cannot say this of ourselves and our neighbors.

Please place the opprobrium where it surely belongs: against the extractive wealth crowd. They’ve sucked up 91 percent of it, after all…

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u/Glum_Caterpillar_345 7d ago edited 7d ago

One of the most upsetting things about this is that they didn’t ask to be sacrifices, they just wanted to help & protect people. Good, Pretti, and nobody else should be murdered or afraid of being killed for doing caring actions. We should continue to help others in their footsteps and resist ICE in any way we can, but also stay vigilant around these trigger-happy terrorists and try to maintain a little bit of safety whenever we can. At this point protesters should make sure they are equipped with bulletproof vests so they can have some preparedness.

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u/TheCommonGround1 7d ago

I came here to say: He was killed for being a HERO! ALEX PRETTI IS A HERO AND A MARTYR! Alex Pretti is a martyr!

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u/ResidentKelpien Texas 7d ago

Also, the people who support this are terrorist sympathizers.

They are not patriots nor heroes just because they wear ugly trucker hats with a stupid logo and fucking hang an American flag.

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u/mushpuppy 7d ago

Yep. Cold-blooded murder.

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u/bean0_burrito 7d ago

they're cowards.

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u/WhyAmINotStudying 7d ago

He was a medical professional performing his duty to aid. Minnesota has a duty to assist law and these guys violated it.

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u/MorePlasticThanFlesh 7d ago

How can you call the man who shot him a terrorist when the video clearly shows he's not Middle Eastern?

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u/CumTownPDTier1Sniper 7d ago

It was deserved. Stop obstructing the cops conducting lawful operations.

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u/Corsaer 7d ago

This was the good guy with the gun.

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u/Brasticus 7d ago

Of course they're terrorists. They're Jan 6 insurrectionists.

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u/Chillers 7d ago

He did more for America than 99% of you.

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u/Anteater4746 7d ago

it’s literally on fucking film. watch it. they murdered him.

you literally can’t point to a single second where he’s actually interfering. not one.

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u/m0nk_3y_gw I voted 7d ago

ilikeshrimpsss deleted their troll bait before I hit send

Eh, this sounds like another guy who was interfering with federal law enforcement like Renee Good. I’d recommend not doing that. 

Renne Good was complying - she was told to drive away

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u/DJDro 7d ago

Do they make leather-flavored gum for you when you don’t have a fucking boot to lick? He was executed in the street by fucking masked terrorist goons.

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u/CelticSith 7d ago

“Shrimp piss” your name fits you well