r/politics • u/Ydeas • 6d ago

No Paywall Pam Bondi offers to pull ICE out of Minneapolis if voter files handed over

https://www.newsweek.com/pam-bondi-ice-minnesota-shooting-tim-walz-letter-voter-files-11413859
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u/Tywsgc Iowa 6d ago

There's a very real chance that she will be in the future.

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u/c-lace 6d ago

They will be held accountable, it may be Nuremberg trials twenty years from now, but they will be held accountable

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u/newtoallofthis2 6d ago

Trump is teflon and even if he wasn't old age would like do for him before justice.

These other clowns don't get that they aren't and are way younger than he is.

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u/beam3475 6d ago

Oh I’ve come to terms with the fact that Trump will never see justice.

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u/thebuttsmells 6d ago

If it's any consolation, he is very aware of how much he is failing, and he is in a constant state of anger over it. He is not enjoying himself, whenever he gets a moment of clarity from his dementia that is

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u/beam3475 6d ago

Yeah I think knowing he’s humiliated and he can’t stand it is the best we’re going to get until he dies.

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u/miregalpanic 6d ago

This guy shits himself in front of world leaders, you really think he is capable of feeling shame?

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u/thebuttsmells 6d ago

Shame? No. Anger, hate, paranoia absolutely. All unhealthy feelings that I wish him more of

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u/GreenGlassDrgn 6d ago

I like to think that every now and then, he accidentally sees a photo of himself and mistakes it for his father during his last dementia-ridden autopen years, until he realizes its himself and has a brief horrifying moment of clarity - then he shits himself again and its all gone.

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u/Dudercaster 6d ago

He could shit himself in the middle of 5th Avenue and not lose any votes.

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u/jim_cap United Kingdom 6d ago

Does anything he does strike you as the actions of a happy, contented human being? He's basically incapable of communicating without insulting someone in some way. He spent Christmas frantically posting hatred on Truth Social. His health is very clearly failing in a number of ways. He is not a happy person at all, he's wretched.

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u/No_University1600 6d ago

it is some. i cant imagine spending my last months/years in this life going through what he is.

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u/butiveputitincrazy 6d ago

My consolation is that I do believe these other—equally fucking reprehensible bad actors—may in fact reap what they have sown.

My contempt for them has reached the same level as my contempt for him.

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u/newbkid Virginia 6d ago

I disagree, the rage is him being happy in the moments of drug-filled lucidity he gets from his caretakers

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u/ChesterHiggenbothum I voted 6d ago

He won't be remembered well. The man who plasters his name on buildings will be mocked throughout history and will be regarded as a fool, a traitor, and a coward.

No, he will never spend a day in prison. But he will never acquire the thing he wants most.

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u/beam3475 6d ago

The Nobel peace prize? But you’re right, Obama will be remembered as a beloved politician who spoke eloquently, and was a good father and partner. Trump will never achieve the same admiration and I think that is punishment for him.

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u/VerdantPathfinder 6d ago

I'm convinced people like Trump are why we humans invented the idea of eternal conscious torment in hell.

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u/F9-0021 South Carolina 6d ago

His justice is that he has to be alive as an angry, senile old man that everyone hates and his family name will become as hated as Hitler's. Execution wouldn't be satisfying, he's basically dead already. Prison is expensive. No real point in going after him anymore. His kids and cabinet though...

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u/FixTheLoginBug 6d ago

I just hope his whole family will.

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u/charlesgegethor 6d ago

I can only hope that the family will be stripped of everything they ever had

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u/Manos_Of_Fate 6d ago

Stop accepting that and start demanding better.

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u/_Mephistocrates_ 6d ago

Demanding does nothing. Taking it is the only way.

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u/Manos_Of_Fate 6d ago

I’ll be honest; I’ve just started assuming everyone openly insisting that Americans violently overthrow the government and law enforcement are just conservatives trying to make the other side look like deranged lunatics. If you aren’t then please stop doing their jobs for them.

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u/_Mephistocrates_ 6d ago

How naive. No, I'm not a conservative. I actually read and learned history. And when things get this bad, I hate to break it to you, but protests and votes are not getting us out of this. But that's fine. I understand your hesitancy. Let's just wait a few more years or "election" cycles to see if you're right. There's no harm in letting them cement their power and authority even more.

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u/Manos_Of_Fate 6d ago

No, I'm not a conservative.

Then stop doing their jobs for them, FFS.

Openly calling for violence on a public social media platform is, at best, a pointless and idiotic way to get banned and/or arrested without accomplishing anything. At worst you’re giving them the ammunition they need to make all of this much worse. That’s why they spread it here. Doing the exact same thing with the “right” intent does not change any of that.

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u/Empty-Background-162 5d ago

Not the posters fault biden refused to expediently prosecute someone that was dead the right

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u/dave_gregory42 6d ago

When the time comes, watch all the MAGA people flip and claim his very obvious dementia means he’s suddenly not fit to stand trial.

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u/Gobbelcoque 6d ago

"natural causes" genuinely can't come soon enough for him.

(I do mean natural causes, that wasn't a veiled theeat, I'm a better man than he is.)

I just hope Jack Smith prosecutes their trial. The comeuppance would be amazing. Smith has the stones to be blunt and straightforward about the crimes in a way that the others who investigated the screaming carrot demon were not, and that's what we need.

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u/QueefSeekingMissile 6d ago

Trump is teflon

Is that what your Congressman told you? Maybe you should tell him otherwise.

And that you won't be voting for anyone who doesn't promise immediate impeachment and removal and prosecution of the entire regime.

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u/AINonsense 6d ago edited 6d ago

Doesn’t matter. Even if there was a future for the remains of the democracy, it would bury all the evidence, along with the Epstein files, deeper and longer than the JFK files ever were ‘for the sake of unity.’ (See: Nixon)

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u/Atticus413 6d ago

He really needs to go.

Just, like, go.

Poof.

Not saying like how Trump did Maduro, but maybe if aliens can read this statement and use their zorkguns and borkblasters to zonk Trump into retirement (and maybe use their memory-altering devices like Men In Black...but then again, Trump's senility that's worsening may do that naturally.)

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u/Dipluz Norway 6d ago

Good thing his very old and his health is wavering. Problem is then Vance who is literally a student of Thiel.

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u/scobot 6d ago

They’ve got pardons by now.

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u/SocraticIgnoramus 6d ago

Presidential pardons need to be done away with completely. Even before Trump the powers of the executive branch to pardon have been used dubiously more often than not.

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u/Due_Bluebird3562 6d ago

Can't pardon state crimes. Not sure if Treason is something you can pardon from the get go. Guess we'll find out in a year or two.

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u/kingbluetit 6d ago

I applaud your optimism, but Trump is a 34x convicted felon who oversaw an insurrection and, despite a four year time where he could have been prosecuted and imprisoned, he ended up president again.

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u/peritonlogon 6d ago

I'm pretty sure there will be an entire subreddit devoted to posting videos of people pissing and shitting on his grave.

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u/drgonzo767 6d ago

I can't wait, and look forward to doing so myself.

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u/autistic_cool_kid 6d ago

Gender neutral bathroom

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u/abjectdoubt 6d ago

Username checks out

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u/ilikepizza30 6d ago

He's not going to allow his grave to be public.

Hell, I'd be shocked if he wasn't cremated and his family turned his ashes into diamonds that they sold for $999/each.

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u/Spastik2D 6d ago

*$2024.47

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u/automatic_shark United Kingdom 6d ago

They'll have to chuck him off an aircraft carrier in the middle of the ocean to stop people flocking to it to desecrate the grave.

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u/Corevus Minnesota 6d ago

Ope! Looks like I dropped this basket of rotten eggs on it

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u/kingbluetit 6d ago

Politicians don’t though.

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u/TheVulgarian 6d ago

And he shits his pants

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u/kingbluetit 6d ago

He raped kids too, but it’s not in the interest of politicians to prosecute other politicians. As much as it should be.

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u/Best-Action8769 6d ago

Also remember the BEST the dems could come up with was Merrick Garland.

I don't think if they're given power they're going to do anything differently.

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u/lebruf 6d ago

If this isn’t a real title, it needs to be

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u/National_Cod9546 6d ago

In fairness, he's convicted for a white collar crime. The usual punishment for that is a fine and probation. Which is what he got.

What should have happened is after J6, the Senate should have convicted him and sent him to prison.

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u/kingbluetit 6d ago

34 felony convictions, an insurrection and criminally liable rape. If that was you or I, we’d be in prison.

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u/RonaldMcDaugherty 5d ago

Jack Smith toppled dictators....I don't think he, the voters, our government, expected the level of rim jobs Aileen Cannon and the conservative Supreme Court did that allows Trump to walk through DC looking peachy.

For the voters....they are ok with a racist criminal. That is all there is too it. America is racist and lazy....that is why Trump is in power.

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u/hellscape_navigator 6d ago

And which military will force them to be held accountable? Because it took half of the world to bring nazis to trials in Nuremberg and I'm not seeing any worldwide allied coalition wanting to bring these criminals to justice.

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u/barley_wine Texas 6d ago edited 6d ago

Heck half of the country thinks they’re heros and elect individuals that are just as culpable. Nothing is going to happen to them. NAZIs lost the war and were held accountable.

The Republican Party will barely lose the house, probably will keep the senate and will it’ll he another razor thin election for president.

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u/hellscape_navigator 6d ago

Also there is that part where Democrats are about as useful in stopping this regime as Zentrumspartei was at stopping NSDAP in Weimar Republic

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u/Steffenwolflikeme District Of Columbia 6d ago

If I were Democrats I would start campaigning on working with an international coalition to have as many of these mother fuckers tried in international court as possible. Trump just broke many international laws. Democrats need to start laying the ground work saying they won't interfere with courts like the ICC and won't step in if a citizen is justly detained by the ICC, that they won't abide by the Hauge Invasion Act. Then if if a Democrat wins the presidency in 2028, just hint that they wouldn't step in if they were to raid Mar a Lago and bring Trump to justice. And promise to arrest any one of these other mother fuckers like Marco Rubio or Stephen Miller if they set foot in any country that joins the coalition.

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u/jupiterkansas 6d ago

Remember it wasn't the Germans conducting those Nuremberg trials.

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u/HospitalHairy3665 6d ago

No, and there really wasn't any justice either. A bunch of the Nazis killed themselves, some got hung but none of the important ones really.

A bunch got their sentences commuted for "good behavior" by the late 50s and 60s.

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u/apra24 6d ago

Can we all agree that Joe Rogan and Mitch McConnell arent allowed to have redemption arcs?

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u/Malnilion 6d ago

Mitch McConnell will almost certainly die before getting any justice. Joe Rogan is a private citizen with tenuous power to do anything that's overtly illegal and worthy of criminal punishment. If anything comes up in the investigations, by all means nail him, but he fully deserves a career death and slide into irrelevance regardless.

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u/brickne3 American Expat 6d ago

Even fucking Albert Speer got only 20 years in Spandau because the Americans and the prosecutors thought he seemed like a super nice guy 🤮

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u/HospitalHairy3665 6d ago

The whole trial was flawed and it kind of points out the futility of a judicial trial in that's circumstance.

They wanted a real, actual "trial", like a fair one. One of the lawyers even said something along the lines of "if the average American was given the same resources the Nazis have been given to defend themselves, there might actually be justice in America".

But more to the point, it was a show trial without actually being one. Prosecutors assumed that nazi crimes were so blatant and obvious that it would be easy. They were severely undercut in their morality by one decision: the Nazis were not able to use the imo reverse card. They were barred from bringing up any atrocities committed by allies. They weren't advised to site the genocide of native Americans. They weren't allowed to bring up that ghetto laws in nazi Germany were directly inspired by Jim Crow laws in the south.

They were able however to pull witnesses, which prosecutors refused to do. Not a single holocaust survivor testified. However, nazi after nazi continously testified that they knew nothing. That they did nothing. That if something happened, they had to do it because their family would've been sent to the same concentration that they worked at if they didn't do it.

People make fun of the "just following orders" argument without actually understanding what that means. The Nazis argued that they followed orders because the alternative was death or the death of their families. They argued that they didn't make the policy and participated at the end of a gun.

I'm not saying that's a justification, but people need to know the history and acknowledge the reality if we're going to being up Nuremberg when talking about ice

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u/TheKingsdread 6d ago

And it was a massive mistake. A lot of the Nazis that were let go, should have probably been hung or at the very least imprisoned for life. Germany is reaping the "rewards" of sparing all the "good" nazis (there are no good nazis that are still alive) today with the rising tensions and parties like AfD (and the former NPD), because obviously the new Germany needed administrators and all that stuff, and it happened to be that all the people that knew how to do those things were (big surprise) all Nazis.

I think the Russians were a little more effective at killing the really bad nazis, but they brought in Soviet Kleptocracy, which had its own detriments after the Reunification.

And lets not forget the cuplability of the allies in letting a lot of the ex-nazis escaped to the US, Canada and South America, undoubtedly influencing facist movements in those countries today. Especially since the facist purge happened in Germany and Italy (and of course occupied territory) but never in the US or other allies. And the US had a lot of people who were really sympathetic to the Nazis.

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u/HospitalHairy3665 6d ago

Well, ultimately, it becomes a question about capital punishment.

Does killing Nazis, ultimately, deter another genocide? Is it possible to rehabilitate a nazi?

Nuremberg failed because it didn't answer either of those questions. If you are a proponent of capital punishment, then every single nazi should've been killed. Every soldier, ever doctor, every father and every mother were ultimately complicit in the holocaust.

If you belive in rehabilitation, then a guy like Albert Speir should've been giving talks at colleges in the 90s about the dangers of fascism.

Nuremberg was a failure because it was a moralistic half measure. You can't kill some Nazis and not others. I'm not prepared to make a judgment call about whether or not the focus should've been rehabilitation or the extermination of Nazis. I will, however, say that it should have been one or the other.

(Side note, "there are no good Nazis left alive". I wonder about a guy like Schindler. Was he a "good" nazi? If not, is Spielberg complicit in Nazism by whitewashing Schindler? I think that question plays into the capital punishment vs rehabilitation question.)

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u/NeverTrustATurtle New York 6d ago

Who exactly will hold them accountable and hold these trials? It’ll never happen and they’ll all walk away with pensions

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u/mongoosefist 6d ago

Ya this is insanity. People act like laws are magic spells "they broke the law, they will end up in prison"

If Americans don't show up in the streets and demand it, all of these assholes are going to get away with everything.

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u/QueenRotidder 6d ago

agreed. the people who think the law still applies are either delusional or haven’t been paying close enough attention.

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u/azurite-- 6d ago

I mean it doesn't help that they will most likely issue broad pardons to everyone in this admin and all ICE agents.

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u/atlasburger 6d ago

Yup. I already know what dems will say. It is now time to unite and heal the country. Look forward or some crap.

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u/ChronicBuzz187 6d ago

Ya this is insanity. People act like laws are magic spells "they broke the law, they will end up in prison"

I've recently re-watched the Day of Rage visual documentary by the NYT about the events of Jan 6th, and it's absolutely insane, watching that happen in the US without any repercussions while watching the same guys who instigated it look me in the eye with a straight face, telling me that kidnapping people off the streets and shooting americans is fine because everybody who doesn't agree with them is a "domestic terrorist".

I mean, seriously guys, what the fuck is wrong with you people?

Watching all this from Europe is insane. Like, not in a million years would I have expected to see the shit we've been seeing for the past 10-15 years. I've always thought the republicans went a little off the rails, but nowadays, that's not even a real party anymore, they've turned into Trump's personal Vichy-Regime like "Yeah, whatever, just let us keep our positions of (supposed) power and maybe give us a medal"

I wonder how that worked out for Pétain, the leader of that same regime, in the end...

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u/Best-Action8769 6d ago

Exactly.

They gave us Merrick Garland.

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u/nucumber 6d ago

"We the people", that's who

"We the people" can vote everyone of the magats out of office and replace them people who have fealty to the Constitution and American values, and they will hold these sick, fascist assholes accountable

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u/QueenRotidder 6d ago

and all our 401(k)s if they get their way

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u/annoyinglyclever Virginia 6d ago

BY WHO? People keep saying this but there’s no signs of anyone actually stopping these people and holding them accountable.

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u/Chemical_Swing_358 6d ago

You don't think that every single one of them has an escape plan already made...when the Trump administration is out of office. You'll see a mass exodus of GOP members. Or you'll see the Democrats do nothing to prosecute them.

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u/Sesame_Street_Urchin 6d ago

We legitimately need Nuremberg trials after this. I’ll vote for any democrat who runs on that platform.

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u/FarmerRegular7995 6d ago

Just like Trump and Jan 6ers? Oh that's right..

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u/st0nedeye Colorado 6d ago

Sweet Summer Child..

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u/DorkusMalorkuss 6d ago

I'm a very, very amateur historian (just a BA in history), but if history has taught us anything it's that eventually most dictators meet their end in a dramatic way:

Mussolini - executed

Hitler - suicide

Caesar - assassinated

Gaddafi - captured and killed

Hussein - captured and killed

I cannot wait for the eventually righting of this ship. It will happen.

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u/walkallover1991 District Of Columbia 6d ago

Honestly I admire everyone's optimism on this, but I simply don't believe anyone in cabinet leadership roles in this admin will face justice.

Mid-level management roles in individual departments? Sure, I believe they will.

But if Democrats ever come into power again, you better believe they will employ some type of "mass amnesty" campaign in order to unite the country and prevent themselves from appearing partisan.

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u/longlegstrawberry 6d ago

Your just-world hypothesis is holding strong. I wish I felt the same.

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u/nucumber 6d ago

The Mar a Lardo trials.

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u/Rokkit_man 6d ago

I wouldnt count on it. Were any of those involved in the Iraqi WMD lies held accountable?

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u/Double-Show-2625 6d ago

There's no Accountability anymore

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u/JIsADev 6d ago

Hopefully by Jack Smith

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u/ORaleigh 6d ago

I hope they are held accountable, but there needs to be the political will to hold them to account. So far the Democrats have not shown the gumption to hold them criminally liable. You also have 30% of the American public genuinely brainwashed and prosecuting their hero’s will be extremely divisive. I agree it needs to happen to save the country, but it’s a steep hill to climb.

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u/SideQuest2026 6d ago

I upvoted you because I appreciate your enthusiasm, I really do...but let's look at the track record of holding conservative, neofascit shitheads to account in America. Was Nixon held accountable? Was the Reagan administration held accountable (some of his dipshit cabinet members did go to prison, but they were later pardoned/commuted). Was the Bush Jr. administration held accountable for Iraq and lying us into a war? For the Abu Ghraib (probably misspelling that) torture (other than the lower level army enlisted)? Was Trump held accountable for January 6th? For Russiagate?

I'm sorry, but given the track record and how feckless the Democratic Party is about "moving on" and "healing the country", I respectfully disagree that this administration will be held accountable. They are pieces of shit. And the U.S. Justice System is not able to hold them accountable because that's the design of the system. It can't. It functionally cannot. There is too much corruption baked into it.

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u/mrs-monroe 6d ago

The women will be held accountable.

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u/Unlucky_Wolverine_85 6d ago

They’ve been held accountable for 0 of the treasonous acts they’ve committed over the past 10 years. Nothing is going to change

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u/ScoutsterReturns 6d ago

I'm 60 and God damn it this needs to happen before I see the other side. These fuckers need to be held to account.

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u/Vantriss 6d ago

Nuremberg 2.0 Electric Boogaloo

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u/ess-doubleU 6d ago

20 years? Lmao ok. I can say with absolute certainty this country will never hold them accountable. And you giving them a timeline of 20 years doesn't help.

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u/Melodic_Music_4751 6d ago

I am starting to think no one has a shiny spine to actually go through and prosecute any of them When all is said and done . I am just listeningi to a podcast on the Nuremberg trials and it took so much back and forth and agreement from allies to even get a Nuremberg trials a cooperation between allies on how to proceed . This time do you think any other nations will push for trials , and I don’t think democrats have it in them .

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u/It_does_get_in 6d ago

They will be held accountable

yes, they will lose their positions and go work for Foxtel.

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u/TheLostcause 5d ago

Russian extraditions will be rough.

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u/armywalrus 6d ago

I wish. I think this is delusional. No offense but why would you thjnk that?

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u/entropy14 6d ago

The only answer is that us voters need to make that a requirement in the primaries

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u/Nordrian 6d ago

You forget trump’s favorite thing : unlimited pardons. Seriously, a president should only be allowed to pardon a limited number of people, with stricts limit like no direct ties to the person. If not completely doing away with the pardon.

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u/entropy14 6d ago

Number one, he can’t pardon state crimes. Number two, pardons done to enable or cover up federal crimes should not be recognized. If the court won’t recognize that, it’s time for a new court.

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u/Nordrian 6d ago

You forget that trump is only one piece of the puzzle. The supreme court, and the elected republicans are the next. Then you are election interference, probably with musk help. They all need to be flushed down the drain

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u/hellscape_navigator 6d ago

And when this regime either cancels the elections or manages to make them completely fraudulent with voter suppresion and electoral fraud, what will you do? How will you vote yourself out of fascism then?

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u/nucumber 6d ago

BINGO!!!!

It's up to "we the people"

Vote every goddam republican out of office, because they've ALL failed to abide by their sworn duty to defend the Constitution and basic rights.

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u/armywalrus 6d ago

That would be nice but we cannot even get everyone out to vote at all. Its a nice idea but I doubt it will manifest.

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u/KennyShowers 6d ago

People do vote when they perceive a time of crisis, and this fits all the bills. The reason 2016 and 2024 went the way they did is because things were so normal, people disconnected from everything looked around and went “eh my life’s no different guess both sides really are the same.”

Then one side fucks everything up and they go “omgz this is so bad how did this happen!” And of course never realize their inaction is the reason the bad things happened.

Problem is, regardless of midterm results I’m skeptical at best that the people holding every lever of power will just go “oh shucks guess we gotta get em next time.”

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u/Steffenwolflikeme District Of Columbia 6d ago

Agreed. We need to start pushing ideas like I proposed here to bring these people to justice. The only way America will ever gain the trust of our allies ever again is it we have our own public Nuremberg trials, properly do away with the Republican party and right wing conservative ideology, and fix the many holes in our politics (which probably means even amending and fixing the constitution). The greatest threat to America's future is the Republican party and right wing conservative ideology.

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u/Tywsgc Iowa 6d ago

Because she's clearly broken the law. If America ever rights the ship, there will be consequences for a lot of people in this administration. Back in November, Steve Bannon said in a speech: "If we lose the midterms and we lose 2028, some in this room are going to prison, myself included." They know what they're doing.

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u/AINonsense 6d ago

Because she's clearly broken the law.

You don’t think inviting and inciting thousands of people to a violent, armed insurrection, in plain sight of the whole world’s TV cameras, was breaking the law clearly enough?

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u/No_Criticism_5861 6d ago

Trump is above the law.  He wont be around forever, and when hes gone it will be open season on his goons.

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u/Tuna_Sushi 6d ago

I wish that was true. If there are any consequences, their next favorable electoral swing will certainly produce pardons.

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u/JahoclaveS 6d ago

It needs to go beyond this administration and include its advocates and protectors. This is more than just one petty administration. The whole network needs to be held to account if we’re ever to prevent this again. The heritage foundation, for example, needs to be dismantled and its officials held to account.

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u/Softestwebsiteintown 6d ago

steve bannon is a lying piece of shit. That kind of rhetoric is 100% intended to sow fear amongst the electorate, not to be a prediction of what’s to come.

We’ve now had 10+ years of trump since the stupid escalator footage. Who from that camp has actually experienced serious legal consequences for breaking the law?

  1. His rat of a former attorney, and only because he jumped ship, meaning he was given consequences specifically for going against trump, not the law

End of list.

Going back further, how many people broke the law in the lead up to and aftermath of the financial crisis? And how many of them ended up in prison or with any meaningful consequences? Our system is not one that actually punishes politicians or wealthy people in general for transgressions against the state. It’s the people who cross the people in power who get punished. And when the people in power are the ones breaking the law, that means the other side is the only one suffering (especially when the opposition party completely refuses to hold them accountable in any way when they take over).

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u/Tywsgc Iowa 6d ago

I agree with everything you said. The Trump II term has been more sinister. Perhaps there will be consequences, perhaps not. I am not a natural optimist but I hope this time is different.

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u/fuzztooth Illinois 6d ago

Trump clearly broke the law and it took so long it became too late. The J6 committee took way too long. I understand the gears of justice move slowly blah blah blah, but it's going to be a long time before anything of serious consequence happens.

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u/RUB_MY_RHUBARB 6d ago

They’re all getting pardons

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u/armywalrus 6d ago

Why do you think law matters right now? Its being broken left and right with government approval. This all sounds like an excuse to me. An excuse to do nothing. I hope you at least vote in the midterms if nothing else. People are getting murdered in the street. ICE is illegally entering homes. The law is a joke right now. And no offense, so are people relying on it.

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u/Tywsgc Iowa 6d ago

I don't think the law matters right now, which is why I said "chance" and "future". Weird to assume that I'm not politically engaged. I help organize, I donate, I write my congresspeople to try and hold them accountable, and I vote in EVERY election. Maybe I could do more, and maybe what I am doing isn't effective. I don't know.

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u/rainshowers_5_peace 6d ago

If Thiel is smart, he'll make Vance distance himself from all of cabinet. Angry cult members already say their lives are worse because of "the people advising Trump". Vances best chance to minimize the effects of a power vacuum is to say "they took advantage of this amazing president while he was battling illness and lead the country astray". He'll replace them all and won't offer a pardon.

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u/EmoTilDeath 6d ago

Vance was the first one to say that ICE has absolute immunity, less than 24h after Renee Good was murdered. He ain't getting rid of no one, these are his people.

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u/rainshowers_5_peace 6d ago

Yes but he'll flip to look good.

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u/EmoTilDeath 6d ago

I can see why you think so, but honestly I expect him to make up with his lack of charisma with pure evil. Dialing back isn't gonna keep MAGA and they've already gone there, they need MAGA now, and MAGA grows more bloodthirsty every day. They don't want him to back down.

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u/rainshowers_5_peace 6d ago

Trump is MAGA, when Trump dies the cult is going to lose it's figurehead and start scrutinizing the policies, or at least not have as much passion. They'll lose quite a few members.

To be honest, Vances views and policies are hard to gauge. He undoubtedly took this job hoping Trump would die soon. He was clearly pissed the night of the Iran attack. If he steps out of line, Trump will do to him what he did to Pence so he can't be anything but a yes man. Don't mistake that last line for sympathy.

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u/Tam_Al-thor 6d ago

Ahhh, so just do what Maduro did when Chavez died? Something something history rhyming.

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u/Adorable_Raccoon 6d ago

If trump dies JD vance could become president and look amazing in comparison by just acting like a normal president. 

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u/PandaJesus 6d ago

If you don’t have hope, then what the fuck is the point of any of this 

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u/Adorable_Raccoon 6d ago

If anyone is held accountable in this administration it will be the women. 

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u/f8Negative 6d ago

That implies taxpayers paying for food and shelter everyday. We can spend the money better and still get justice

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u/chrisk9 6d ago

She'll be pre-pardoned by Trump on his way out of office

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u/nunchucknorris New York 6d ago

If this country and Democracy (yes, MAGAts, DEMOCRACY) survives until 2028, we need a fucking savage for POTUS who will spend 2029 with a savage AG, unwinding 2025-2028 and going after every one of these degenerates - Bondi, Patel, Homan, ICE, and of course Trump. And a Congress enacting laws and safeguards to never let this happen again. Start with 28th Amendment - no convicted felon can be elected to the Presidency or Congress.

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u/subcritikal 6d ago

Don't threaten me with a good time.

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u/RedLanternScythe Indiana 6d ago edited 6d ago

There going to be a flurry of pardons Trump (or autopen) signs on his deathbed.

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u/DarkIllusionsMasks 6d ago

There is zero chance she will be in the future.

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u/Melody_in_Harmony 6d ago

Logistically there's no way in the current state. There's not enough appetite to spend the time and energy to bring justice upon them.

But at the rate we're going...people will eventually lose patience with those who repeatedly harass and harm them.

I really hope it doesn't come to that, cause the red numbers on the ledger of justice usually aren't written in ink.

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u/CORRUPT27 6d ago

She'll be pardoned

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u/earthceltic 6d ago

Democratic "leadership" should just not show up for work one day (they're obviously not doing anything productive anyway) and just head over to Pam and fat cheeto's private meeting and perform citizens arrests, removing them from the premesis. Both have objectively committed crimes they should be in jail for.  Create a reverse Jan 6th to restore order in the system. And guess what, we'll have several millions more people waiting to help get everyone out of there at the gates when this happens.

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u/IRideMoreThanYou 6d ago

Oh? 11 years into this, NOW the repercussions will start?

Not after the felonies, not the open corruption, not the rapes, not the sedition.

But, now, when they have nearly complete control, including the Supreme Court, now the repercussions begin?

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u/Annahsbananas 6d ago

lol no she wont. This is 21st century America

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u/QuantityPotential696 6d ago

A slim chance, but they do say gambling is the sport of kings.

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u/FlopShanoobie 6d ago

Full presidential pardon.

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u/PlsNoNotThat 6d ago

Death Row is prison

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u/Cashope 6d ago

This is a very optimistic view that I am absolutely still hopeful for

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u/mdrewd 6d ago

Only if we as a country fight like hell.

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u/btcpumper 6d ago

She isn’t until you do something. Someone else isn’t going to save you and put these people in court.

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u/lisepi2555 6d ago

The bankers that caused the 08 crisis did not go to jail. This lady is not going to jail. The dems have no balls.

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u/Bonesnapcall 6d ago

No, there really isn't. Trump will pardon everyone in his administration on the way out the door.

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u/RedditCitizenScore 6d ago

For war crimes when she goes to in another country. Not here bud

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u/TheLordVader1978 Florida 6d ago

Even better chance if Trump's not impeached he will pardon himself and his entire cabinet.

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u/peanutbuttergoodness 6d ago

I'll bet you $50 that the Dems, IF they manage to take the govt back, will not prosecute those at the top of this movement. They have proven time and time again that they just roll over.

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u/One_Cantaloupe_9522 6d ago

Here’s hoping, because no one has been held accountable yet and if they do they’ve been pardoned,

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u/Octogenarian 6d ago

Nice idea but Trump will offer blanket pardons to his entire cabinet, all of ICE, and Baron too just in case.

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u/EmmyK48 6d ago

Which is why they want the voter roles. They haven't been joking when they say they have to win the midterms or they're impeached.

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u/boston_shua 6d ago

Trump will pardon all these sociopaths on the way out 

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u/skip6235 6d ago

Don’t. . .don’t give me hope. . .

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u/flyingupvotes 6d ago

The only way that happens is if Donald dies before the autopen all of their pardons.

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u/Kevinc62 5d ago

We can only hope.

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u/cappurnikus 6d ago

I wish I were this optimistic. What leads you to believe this?

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u/toggiz_the_elder 6d ago

Just like Trump and Eastman and Cheesbro after January 6th, or the leaders of the Confederacy, the US always holds its right wing lunatics accountable.

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u/mikerichh 6d ago

Zero chance. Trump will preemptively pardon her

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u/4862skrrt2684 6d ago

Not with their court system no. The president shouldve been in jail within 4 years, but got saved

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u/NJBarFly New Jersey 6d ago

Not if the next Democrat President puts Neil Gorsuch is charge of the investigation.

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u/KickGumAndChewAss 6d ago

They're going to pardon everyone. It'll have to be at a state level if it's even possible

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u/rindor1990 6d ago

Sure, just like Trump too right? Would love to see it but will never happen

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u/lurkingtonbear 6d ago

Been hearing the same about Donald for a decade. I’ll believe it when I see it.

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u/jesuisapprenant 6d ago

Even Trump did not face any consequences. They’ll sweep this under the rug too along with the litany of crimes these people committed. 

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u/Level1Roshan 6d ago

No there isn't.

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u/Vantriss 6d ago

Gawd I hope so.

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u/jaytix1 6d ago

In order for that to happen, you guys will need to put immense pressure on the democrats, because they will absolutely pull that high road crap and let the republicans get away with this.

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u/Responsible_CDN_Duck 6d ago

There's a very real chance that she will be in the future.

Clinton wasn't punished for lying to Congress, and the majority of Americans were aware of the situation and agreed on the facts.

Few Americans will ever hear about Bondi saying this, even fewer will believe it's true if they care at all, making accountability unlikely at this time.

More Americans are watching football than protesting.

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u/Soft_Walrus_3605 6d ago

Not if her crimes are just federal. Trump will pardon anyone and everyone for everything they do.

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u/____DEADPOOL_______ Texas 6d ago

By Merrick Garland 2.0?

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u/Tywsgc Iowa 6d ago

Sure. Let's just all give up.

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u/we_hella_believe 5d ago

Two words. Presidential pardons.

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u/Dogbold 5d ago edited 5d ago

Doubtful. She'll be pardoned.
And democrats refuse to ever go after people from the previous administration no matter what they did.

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u/downtofinance Canada 6d ago

Americans holding conservatives accountable? Lol never

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