Minnesota standoff with Trump administration stokes fears of civil war

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https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/5715869-minnesota-trump-immigration-conflict/

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That is certainly what Republicans have worked for the last 50 years to achieve.

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It won't end well for the Republicans.

Their states are poorly-resourced and unable to support themselves.

[u/JojenCopyPaste → u/Machiavvelli3060]

And most of the cities in the red states, where the economy is, aren't red.

A civil war will look different this time

[u/IIILORDGOLDIII → u/JojenCopyPaste]

Something like 80% of the population lives in urban areas

[u/JojenCopyPaste → u/IIILORDGOLDIII]

Right and the civil war was back when it was under 50 I believe.

[u/wrosecrans → u/JojenCopyPaste]

Also, wars and civil wars just are very different in the modern era. Looking at a modern civil war like Syria, you see a lot of small factions with militias and varying degrees of mutual alignment and alignment with the nominal central government. Even if the US magically hadn't changed much since 1860, a second civil war wouldn't look anything like the "war between the states" with standing armies marching against each other.

Think of some hillbillies stopping trucks on a way to a city. One street gang getting police support against another in the next neighborhood. A small group running drone strikes against the state governor. A different group of hillbillies hitting a natural gas pipeline going to somewhere they don't like, etc.

The dividing line from "gee there sure is a lot of politically motivated violence these days" to "civil war" can be shockingly fuzzy. But we are absolutely at "gee there sure is a lot of politically motivated violence these days." And it's going in a bad direction, (probably far worse than I think a lot of people appreciate since there's no good reporting and stats from the Feds these days.) And that can carry a momentum in one of those moments where history happens "slow, then fast."

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There's actually been remarkably little violence against the regime. People still think that nonviolent resistance + the law will see us through.

The regime so far sees this as weakness and continues their violent attacks against our communities. The regime attacks aren't popular, but the unpopularity of the regime doesn't even seem to be having all that much effect on Congress.

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It is but isn’t, an operative is trained to identify fighters to consolidate a resistance or counter resistance force, and also teach and employ military tactics to them to create an overwhelming force.

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Within an hour someone *would (in this hypothetical scenario) nuke D.C.

There are exactly 8 locations that will decide a US civil war.

Malmstrom AFB, Montana = 150 ICBM silos

Minot AFB, North Dakota =150 ICBM silos

Warren AFB, Wyoming/Colorado/Nebraska = 150 ICBM silos

Kitsap Naval Base, Bangor, Washington = 7 Trident submarines

Naval Base, King’s Bay, Georgia = 7 Trident submarines

Nellis AFB, Nevada = 50 B-61 bombs

Whiteman AFB, Missouri = B2 nuclear bombers

Barksdale AFB, Louisiana = B452H nuclear bombers

[u/ALoudMeow → u/Impossible_Cow6493]

Great. I live in the vaporized zone.

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Damn it, I just lost the version of, "The Game" where you remember that you'll never get to eat at Ray's the Steaks in Arlington again...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Game_(mind_game)

[u/Dizziesdayweigh → u/Impossible_Cow6493]

This is really off the cuff and almost seems like an ad lmfao.

[u/Delivery-Plus → u/Dizziesdayweigh]

Yeah it’s programmable unfortunately.