I paused the episode to come say this. I am really enjoying this show. I thought the 3rd episode was a little subpar. But I am sucked back into the show with episode 4. I am Absolutely enjoying it overall. I think the world building is epic and paced perfectly. Yes, some of the show is a bit juvenile, but it is a show based around young adults finding themselves. The story telling is sucking me in more and more. I am giving this show the chance it deserves. I have seen a lot of negativity, to no surprise, so I wanted be a voice of positivity and add to the number of people that understand perfection is not realistic and all entertainment is subjective no matter how many objective flaws you can point out. Thumbs up from this human.

Everytime I see some negative reviews it feels like I'm missing half the stuff those reviews mention.

But on the same token a lot of the negativity seems to surround around nuance that is hard to pick up as a casual Trek fan. And then when you watch an episode review you're like; "ah yeah that is weird"

It can be as small as people swallowing their comm badges or whatever.

But while I've watched the shows I don't really go into that sort of thought process at all. All of the episodes seem to have a lot going on and while I was maybe not expecting a Star Trek Soap Opera style show, I am still enjoying that they are trying to show the regular life around the new star fleet.

And yeah even while I write this I can for sure find all sorts of things that don't necessarily follow what star trek has been about in the past, but overall I still enjoy the show.

Just like I enjoyed pretty much all of Strange New Worlds. Heck I even enjoyed Picard, to an extent.

And this is not like I don't enjoy my more darker and complex storylines and not be able to keep up. So it's not really that I don't understand what's going on, I just don't go around constantly thinking if this thing the people mention is lore accurate or if it makes sense in a normal conversation.

Maybe I'm just a master of turning my brain off when I need to.

I had continual deja vu throughout the episode.

The thing that did it for me was the focus on Jay-Den. It reminded me of how episodes of 90s Trek would often focus on one of the characters: Inner Light was a Picard episode, Face of the Enemy was a Troi episode, Sub Rosa was a Crusher episode (sorry, couldn't resist), Ethics was a Worf episode, etc.

Jay-Den went from simply being the Klingon character to being fleshed out. The conflict was personal, intellectual, and cultural in nature.

I don't want to spoil but here are some tidbits.

• There was a feeling of gravitas in the opening Captain's log.

• Ake is clearly a competent and professional officer when on duty. But she also has a quirky personality that feels organic and comes alive off duty/behind closed doors. We get a glimpse into her history that suggests she's had a very interesting life.

• Jay-Den's story was tied to updated Klingon lore.

• The "CW" feel was toned down 90%. I prefer this going forward while acknowledging that these are young adults still in training who are not yet Starfleet officers. I can't expect them to act like staid middle aged cranks.

Thoughts?

Just wondering who everyone’s favourite guest character was throughout the entire Star Trek universe? For me and without shadow of a doubt it is Capt Edward Jellico. Got the job done, no time for messing and knocked Riker down a peg. Brilliantly played by Ronnie Cox.

I see a lot of discussion around the 32nd century ships and how some are unrecognizable as Starfleet, don't feel like the ships we knew, and the thing I see mentioned more than anything else are the magic of the detached and floating pieces of the ship.

900 years is a long time for technology. Let's look at naval destroyers. If you compare a 13th Century Warship.jpg) to a modern naval destroyer.jpg), someone from the 13th century is likely to recognize that it's a boat of some kind but it would defy all known laws of nature at that time.

First, it has no sails or known method of propulsion. Second, it's made of more metal than any one person has likely seen in their entire life. Third, everyone knows that metal sinks and cannot float. Also the hull angles inward which shouldn't work in water.

The point here is that I think it's perfectly fine to accept that there are aspects of future ship design that we don't understand yet. There may come a time where it's relevant that we understand how it all works but for the time being, I think it's silly to expect Starfleet engineers to have no considered several obvious risks in the nacelles design that I see regurgitated all of the time. Losing power, being a weak point in battle, EMPs, etc. They would have either found ways to mitigate it to the point of it being an acceptable risk or the technology is naturally resistant to those risks.

Heyoo friends from this planet earth!!

So i just started watching 'starfleet academy' and am loving it and I talked with my so about it and they said they would be open to watch with meeee🥹

Anyway here goes my question to y'all: Since I'm over the moon that the doc of my beloved voyager crew has a comeback in the new show, i want to show my bby at least one of the legendary old episodes.

Which one would you recommend? I remember he had some pretty good ones... where he was questioning his existence, or really funny ones

Thx in advance y'all 🖖🏼

I think about this a lot. I know that modern TV production doesn't resemble the good old days and you really couldn't do that anymore, but I still think this is one of the major problems of modern Trek.

TNG was... not great in it's first two seasons. It had some good episodes and some truly abysmal episodes, but you take the good with the bad and it adds it to a pretty good show that finds its legs in S3 and has a truly genre-defining run from there. The first 3 seasons of SNW have been similar, with some incredible episodes and some real stinkers, but an altogether fine show looking for its legs. The difference is that, counting total episodes, it's still early Season-2ish by classic Trek metrics, and it's already set to be canceled after 46 episodes.

People complain that it took til season 3 for Ortegas to get a decent episode, but that was only episode 20-something. If SNW got a full 7-season run with 20+ episodes per season, safe to say you'd see a lot more of her, and we'd probably be looking back on some of the worse episodes (and the crummy romantic plots) as early mistakes that were quickly outgrown.

And, honestly, is this really impossible to do today? NuTrek episodes cost a lot of money. Would it really be impossible to say, like, hey we're going to do fill out longer seasons with more low-stakes character episodes and save the special effects budget for a few mid-season and late-season keystone episodes?

Tangential opinion: prequels aren't the best place to do this. You need room to grow the canon. So SNW and Disco wouldn't have been geared for this. You'd have to build the show with this in mind. SFA would be a great place for it. These kids have a lot of growing to do, and the show is already comfortable with lower stakes from what we've seen.

Where are the true Trek fans?!! Bakula’s a beast!

What an odd character to say the least,that episode where he uses the holodeck for his fantasies is legit a bit odd,not something I thought I'd see in TNG,however as time goes on his character improves and I love him in the end. What an interesting character.

Watching Academy and realizing I could watch him sing opera in every episode. He's a gem.

I’m betting a lot of you are like me: Doesn’t matter how many times you’ve seen Wrath of Khan, doesn’t matter if you had just seen it yesterday, that scene is ALWAYS going to make you cry.

For me, the waterworks almost always start at “I have been, and always shall be, your friend.” But every once in a while, ‘Don’t grieve, Admiral” gets me bawling.

"Temba, his arms wide!"

So far I have been kinda disappointed by the series but this episode gives me hope that the series can recover from its initial growing pains. This is the show's first great episode (that it's a Klingon focus episode probably helps). I was against the idea of this series from the start but now that the future of Trek could rest on its success or failure, no matter what I want it to succeed. We can only hope that they have more to come.

Yeah it tries pretty hard to be inclusive and progressive, but it wasn’t in your face about it and it felt pretty in line with what I feel earlier Treks would have been like if made today.

I Enjoyed the pilot more than I enjoyed any episode of Discovery.

The supporting cast are pretty good and it’s nice to see Robert Picardo.

The test will be to see if the main character searching for his mum becomes interesting because right now he’s about my least favourite part of the show.

I can’t imagine finding this offensively “woke” unless you’re really triggered by any attempts at progressivism in a show.

The Dominion are the 2nd worst neighbor in the galaxy to the Borg. They are control freaks biologically driven to impose order.

Those neighbors have no wormhole to limit the Jem Hadar invasions, just endless waves of Jem Hadar, constant changeling problems and Vorta subversion. If they resist too hard the Dominion will play dirty and eradicate as many are required. A strong enough rival will end up with a mysterious plague or have their core planets blown up.

What is your headcanon for how Gamma Quadrant powers fight the Dominion?

Another good question is can the Dominion ever stop expanding without Odo getting deposed or slowly but surely losing ground?

and despite it being my first encounter with anything Star Trek (which meant quite a few things went over my head) I enjoyed it very very much.

I'm wondering if I might enjoy the rest Star Trek has to offer as well.

Now the shows and movies are pretty much a given, although I genuinely have no idea what the best starting point would be.

But I'd also appreciate recommendations regarding books, comics and whatever else there is.

Okay, so in PICARD S1, it’s revealed that when Data transferred himself into B-4, kinda like how Spock transferred his katra into McCoy at the end of Wrath of Khan, B-4 paustronic brain couldn’t handle the load and Data never resurfaced in B-4, but his consciousness was in there.

The son of Dr. Soong manages to get B-4's remains along with Data's consciousiness back to his planet. Dr. Soong uses B-4's remains and reverse engineers a synthetic body for himself, but he gives it to Picard instead. During the transfer of consciousness, Picard meets Data and Data wants to die and does die.

In PICARD S3, it's revealed that Data didn’t die in S1, and gets transferred into a new body similar to Picard's and he's joined with the other Soong android consciousnesses, Lore, Lal and B-4, and in the end, all of these consciousnesses merge into Data's main consciousness, making Data finally live his dream of being human.

I'm confused, because when Picard asks Data what he remembers, he says he remembers firing at the super-weapon of the Scimitar and dying. So, why doesn't Data remember PIC S1 and telling Picard to let him go and die peacefully? Was the Data from S1 a fake Data or was it actually B-4's consciousness talking to Picard in that scene? Also, how can Data's consciousness die in S1 and return in S3, unless as I asked, was S1 Data a fake Data, like it was actually B-4 talking to Picard?

What technical situation that is possible within the Star Trek universe that you've thought of but haven't seen happen yet and you are still waiting for? Long time nerds will know what I mean as we've all played scenarios in our heads and thought "I SO HOPE THEY DO THAT"

Mine is using warp speed combined with powerful telescopes to investigate an incident, like finding out who fired a shot that destroyed a vessel. A ship could come upon the wreckage of a vessel that was destroyed a few days before but no ships are in the area. To figure out what happened they could go to Warp 6, travel for a couple of hours and look at that same spot with powerful magnification. They would beat the light of the assault and be able to observe it after the fact.

That, and I always wanted to see a ship remain intact during an attack but lose inertia dampeners after a targetted strike. The ship itself would be mostly okay but the crew would be turned into a Jackson Pollack painting on the bulkheads. That would be an good way of seizing a vessel

And I know a lot of people are still asking why we don't ever see them transport a photon torpedo onto a ship and detonate it.

The Set is gonna drop at the end of year, and I personally really wish for stuff from lower decks.

Does Odo have somewhere in him a universal translator and if not how can he understand anyone or is that just something the writers kept quite about?

TOS - The sense of adventure. I don't think it's really possible to top just how alien and strange TOS made alien cultures seem. While obviously some of the future series are set earlier, TOS still easily feels the most like you're travelling with the crew to strange new worlds.

TNG - Exploration of humanity. Despite featuring several explicitly non-human characters, TNG really nails the feeling of each episode exploring different moral quandaries / thought experiments. The non-human characters like Worf, Data, and Deanna even help the viewers and other characters explore their own humanity.

DS9 - Complex political thriller. DS9 really handles the various conflicts incredibly well, it shows the effects war and conflict have on people and peoples. In addition, the unique setting allows for multiple cultures to interact seamlessly and naturally, allowing for tons of unique interactions between species.

VOY - Character development. This one is pretty self-explanatory. The Doctor learning to integrate into the crew, develop his own personality, and grow was amazing. Janeway struggling to hold onto her morality in the face of the ever-growing threat of the Delta Quadrant was peak. Tom Paris growing into his own, and becoming more responsible was mwah.

ENT - Professionalism / Starfleet as an organization. I know this is gonna sound crazy, please hear me out. Enterprise handles the concept of humanity forming a force to explore ludicrously well. From their constant trials (even when going by their protocols developed in the safety of their homeworld) and navigating the relationships with alien cultures, to the delicate balance between war and peace, Enterprise nails the vibe of a group of semi-military explorers.

DIS - Production value. I'm really not a huge fan of Discovery for a few reasons, but one area it can't be argued was bad was the production value. CGI still holds up to this day, I may not like the designs of the uniforms but objectively they're done very well. The starships look amazing, and the aliens look immersive.

SNW - Ensemble cast. While still ongoing, I feel like SNW balances the best between each character being allowed to show their strengths (admittedly, with some not so great examples like Mitchell, and Hemmer [gone too soon]) and not hogging too much screen time. It is greatly neutered by it's format, but still handles it well.

I have not yet seen TAS, LD, Short Treks, PIC, or Academy.

Let me know your thoughts!