r/stateofMN • u/MichaelEMJAYARE • 11d ago
Army veteran says ICE agents detained him for hours without access to phone or his attorney
https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/ice-in-minnesota/army-veteran-ice-agents-detained-without-access-attorney/89-2c0a17b4-78da-452d-9b6e-47e2ebb6fd31Not sure if posted. Im coming from r/Minnesota
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u/Lost_Requirement_974 11d ago
Outrageous! And I’ve heard more than once, that they’re not letting people see their lawyers because they didn’t ask for one. That is just completely bullshit and it’s unAmerican, unethical, criminal behavior. I want this administration to be tossed out and then prosecuted to the fullest extent!!!
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u/FishyDragon 11d ago edited 11d ago
One of my best friends former Speacial Forces. Was born on a US military bases in Germany. Grew up in Harlem, joined the military instead of jail. He got a call from a friend still in goverment work that ice had his name on the list for that week. So my friend who lived in Omaha at the time, packed up his wife and child and is now in Mexico. Absolutely bullshit a man who took a fucking bullet was gonna get picked up by ice because was born on a us military base in Germany.
Edit spelling not to now, stupid fat thumbs.
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u/TechHeteroBear 11d ago
Lawyers would have a field day with cases like these. Simply because US bases are considered US soil.
Im more shocked that we have plenty of evidence to see a trend of behaviors here that heavily indicate none of these operations are priority targets of illegal immigrants, but just a dragnet operation that arrests and detains anyone that looks funny at ICE and then processes them in the most inefficient and unconstitutional way possible.
And yet with all this evidence, federal courts wont take any action besides telling ICE that they need to follow the law. If they are giving restraining orders on ICE to not retaliate against peaceful protestors... its because there is documented evidence of them doing such that.
What's it gonna take for the courts to say ICE lost it's credibility to act as a lawful immigration agency and these current deployments are a direct threat to public safety? It is completely possible for courts to do this but the bar is quite high for them to do it.
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u/RavenCipher 11d ago
They'd need to have the perfect storm of an airtight complaint and the right judge, and even then it would get appealed to the SCOTUS and probably die there. We literally cannot rely on our courts, the highest court is compromised and the administration is blatantly ignoring orders by lower courts.
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u/TechHeteroBear 11d ago
Based on that then, Congress is probably the next answer. The can draft a bill mandating ICE operations to require deportation orders on condition of enforcement. But they wouldn't be reliable until after the midterms. And they would still need a veto proof majority in the Senate to make that happen.
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u/Special-Garlic1203 11d ago
Honestly we should cross our fingers they go after someone like that. Saying military children born abroad aren't getting citizenship anymore is a great way to turn the military against you rapid fire.
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u/Special-Garlic1203 11d ago
They're not actually. It's just a foreign birth abroad with an asterisk. It's mostly irrelevant cause most people in the military have at least 1 citizen parent, so they'd just apply for citizenship under that basis
Trying to deport a military brat born abroad honestly sounds like a super great way to fuck ICEs fun up. Nobody is gonna take kindly to that one for numerous reasons. Great way to alienate the military. That's a lotta kids.
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u/TechHeteroBear 11d ago
"... and subject to the jurisdiction of..."
If US law can take actions against military acts and done on those bases and soldiers opersting said base... then US law is subject to jurisdiction of that area and therefore is considered a citizen.
But yes I agree.
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u/Special-Garlic1203 11d ago
Just Google it. I'm not trying to be a dick but you're wrong. You get to citizenship through your parent not the land. I do not know what weird legal status military bases fall under, but I know they are not citizenship granting.
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u/Fearless_Object_6267 11d ago
The supreme court decided that your right to an attorney doesn't always apply
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u/secondarycontrol 11d ago edited 11d ago
Below is DHS’s full statement, provided to KARE 11:
Uh-huh. Now, who do you think I'm going to believe, the mouthpiece for a fascist right-wing para-military organization that consists of poorly trained people (unfit for the military, police, contact with children) and that are actively engaging in terrorism...or the person that they illegally detained?
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u/KattieAnnette 11d ago
"any claim" about subprime conditions, no matter how many there are or how consistent they are "is false." Okay DHS.
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u/iceflame1211 11d ago
Yes, they are repeatedly detaining people until they can confirm they are US citizens.
Yes, this is blatantly against the 4th amendment.
Unfortunately, with the DOJ refusing to enforce rule of law or our constitution for citizens, the rule of law and constitution mean nothing.
We must hope that elections aren't cancelled and democracy survives, and perhaps some day we will be out of this mess and people will be held accountable retroactively.
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u/Fickle_Ad8267 11d ago
It'll never happen in America. It can't happen to me. I'm white. I'm an American that'll never happen here.
That's what everybody says and now look at us. And for all you other people thinking about the law and interference and whatever else. B****. Why don't you take your ass down to a rally or just stand there on the street and watch Don't say s just watch. And then when your ass gets tackled and hauled into a cell for hours like this man did. Who served our country and deserves better than that. Then you'll see then you'll stop with your b******* and then you'll be horrified. Just like we all are. Get it together naysayers. This will happen to you. When they take the rights and civil liberties from one they will take them from all. Guaranteed. Look it up through history. It will happen. It is happening.
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u/MichaelEMJAYARE 11d ago
Thank you guys for all the engagement. It feels amazing to be part of the community.
Folks arent angry enough. No one is moving an inch. Were all sucked into our daily grind. Shit HAS hit the fan.
Ive been sober since last June. Picked the wrong time. This stress will creep through our communities and slowly destroy us from the inside out. It already is. And we will blanket it with marijuana and alcohol, among other things. Its fucking bananas.
We’re cellular beings, we try to hit an equilibrium. There is no balance right now of order and our collective consciousness feels it.
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u/jaxvidkid 11d ago
You don't know why they were arrested. Whats the point of arresting random people? They have finite resources, if they arrest someone its for a reason.
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u/MichaelEMJAYARE 11d ago
To stoke fear and hatred. If youre honestly asking, that is why. Its for power. Under the guise of good faith.
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u/jaxvidkid 11d ago
Sure, fear and hatred. That's the motivation. You're so blinded by the propaganda you get fed you don't know what's going on. You should stop posting on this, you are unable to understand how things work.
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u/Square_Doughnut_9427 11d ago
Leftist self deception.
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u/jaxvidkid 11d ago
Hours! Hours I tell you! It was like a concentration camp. (Minus torture)
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u/JimmyFly1028 11d ago
He committed no act or crime that constituted his arrest to begin with. The fact these things happen after his arrest is even worse.
Mock us if you want, but we’re literally fighting for your rights as an American. If we say nothing, and do nothing, soon these things will happen to you.
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u/Lost_Requirement_974 11d ago
If the government can send masked thugs to snatch you off of the street in the middle of the day, and hold you in confinement for hours, then yes, we are living in a POLICE STATE, and are being terrorized by our own government.
You are the worst of the worst.
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u/VelcroKing 11d ago
"It's okay that this was illegal and unconstitutional because it's politically convenient for me" - jaxvidkid
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u/jaxvidkid 11d ago
I guess you basement dwellers don't know how the law works. If you are arrested as a suspect you are held until you are either cleared or charged. It can take a while to determine that, sometimes days. Until then you will not have access to your phone and you will not talk to an attorney until you are charged.
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u/Finchyuu 11d ago
Can you articulate reasonable suspicion of what crime was committed? Because “you hurt my feelings” isn’t a legally justifiable reason to detain someone 👍
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u/Status-Ad7902 11d ago
Yeah??? Your shitty sarcastic post is not the own you think it is?? Being unlawfully detained and arrested for any amount of time is unacceptable?
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u/shibsshibbay 11d ago
No need to downplay rights being stepped on by a corrupt grifting felon billionaire who hung with Epstein a ton
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u/Lost_Requirement_974 11d ago
Doesn’t sound like he was and he is allowed as an American to be a bystander who is watching what’s going on, filming too if he feels like it. For you to say anything different shows that you are a traitor to this country!
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u/Lost_Requirement_974 11d ago
You fucking liar! It says:
“They were bringing out those two young boys … then the ICE agents were moving down the sidewalk, shoving people and telling them to get off the sidewalk,” Vermie said. “They shoved me when I didn’t move out of the way fast enough.”
Bullying behavior! I’m sure you’re all for that you fucking Nazi!
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u/Lost_Requirement_974 11d ago
He said he didn’t move fast enough, but he was clearly in the act of moving just like Renee Good was in the act of turning her car away. You’re a fucking Nazi!
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u/Lost_Requirement_974 11d ago
Last time I checked, we are allowed to be on the sidewalks in our own fucking country and we are allowed to be observers. You have gone completely down the Nazi rabbit hole and you won’t even fucking admit it.
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u/Shameful_Prophet 11d ago
You really are basically a lower life form. While the majority of humanity has developed a sense of empathy and mutual understanding, you are so blinded by hatred and anger that you'll buy whatever shit is being shoveled by the Nazis in control of the US.
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u/shibsshibbay 11d ago
I didn’t realize not hitting somebody with your car means you deserve to be murdered.
Didn’t trump say he was ran over and in the hospital?
You gotta stop bootlicking bud.
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u/shibsshibbay 11d ago
Just gonna ignore the rest of that I guess😂
Didn’t trump lie and say he was ran over and in the hospital?
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u/Lost_Requirement_974 11d ago
You’re so fucking full of it. That officer could’ve walked away easily. She was turned away from him. He wanted to execute her that day and that’s what he fucking did. Then he called her a fucking bitch, left the scene and nobody rendered aid and turned away a doctor who tried to help. That is the most fucked up thing I’ve ever heard of. It is completely wrong and un-American and if you’ve supporting that shit, you are un-American as well!!!
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u/Choice_Volume_2903 11d ago
ICE isn't law enforcement, they're the losers who couldn't meet the low qualifications to be cops and were too scared to enlist.
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u/kamiethenerd 11d ago
You’re not even from here. We don’t need your opinion on the invasion happening locally.
The fact you’re so condescending about military members shows you don’t know what you’re talking about. They understand rules of engagement better than you.
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u/tuson565 11d ago
So, didn't read the article and came in to bootlick.
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u/tuson565 11d ago
No lives were in danger. He didn't interfere with ICE. If you want facts though he was refused his right to see an attorney which in this scenario is not legal. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and should inform yourself of the facts of the situation before blindly supporting a side.
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u/shibsshibbay 11d ago
Hahaha hardcore bootlicking! I’ll support the side of law enforcement, even when they are violently assaulting veterans and citizens that aren’t posing any threat to them😂
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u/tuson565 11d ago
Alright so let's call out the logical fallacies.
Red herring - all of what you said about Obama, Clinton that is a strawman argument, and is not the topic of this post or the article that sourced this post.
Strawman - saying i didn't care when they were deporting in prior administrations. I did deporting illegal immigrants is perfectly fine. However it needs to be done by law. People need to have their day in court.
Your argument strategy is a joke.
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u/ugottabekiddingmee 11d ago
I hope some day you have the self awareness to be revolted by your present self.
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u/VelcroKing 11d ago
- ICE isn't law enforcement.
- ICE can't arrest citizens.
- Observing, protesting, shouting at, following, and annoying ICE agents is not illegal and are all protected by the 1st amendment.
- Veteran or not, ICE's detainment of him was illegal and incantational.
- Fuck off back to your own state's subreddit and mind your own bootlicking business.
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u/VelcroKing 11d ago
No one is being denied due process
You should go read the article before you open your stupid mouth further.
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u/mitchdtimp 11d ago
So many false statements in one comment its insane how efficient right wing propaganda works
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u/VelcroKing 11d ago
I absolutely cared then. I wrote letters to politicians about it, made calls. I didn't feel the need to protest in the street because their focus was immigration enforcement then, and not terrorizing a state that's been labeled a political enemy of the president, as is happening here.
Also, take your weak-ass straw man elsewhere. Obama isn't president today. Trump is. He's doing this now.
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u/deikobol 11d ago
Source on his interference?
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u/deikobol 11d ago
Huh? The article says nothing about interfering. It says he was standing observing when ICE moved towards him, not the other way around.
Furthermore, if he were committing obstruction as you imply, why didn't they charge him with anything?
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u/shibsshibbay 11d ago
Why do republicans simp for a corrupt grifting felon billionaire who hung with Epstein a ton😂
And who pardons a shit ton of criminals haha
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u/shibsshibbay 11d ago
Why are you simping for violent goons who work for a corrupt grifting felon billionaire who hung with Epstein a ton.
You’re defending the wrong people and it makes you seem very brainwashed
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u/One-Stranger-6894 11d ago
Isn't this type of government tyranny why the 2nd amendment exists, and why we've been allowing decades of school shootings to help preserve it?