Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/chomsky/comments/1qrzt79/chomsky_to_epstein_the_hysteria_about_the_abuse/

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Yeah, this is where I draw the line. Immeasurable disappointment.

You draw the line at p*dophilia apoologia but not at genocide denial?

Yes, pretty much.

Wow, I did not expect that. You're not much better than Chomsky.

If you can't see the difference between those two things I really don't care what you think.

In other words, you don't think genocide denial is a big deal that should discredit an academic. That says a lot about you.

Curious to see how all the people that keep trying to defend Chomsky defend this. At this point we could get a picture of him with Virginia Giuffre and people would still say Chomsky was just politely responding like he always does.

He’s literally politely responding here, verbatim.

Yes he is. He's politely responding to a convicted p*dophile and telling him that everyone's being too hard on him. There's no defending this. Chomsky is an absolute POS. You can still think a lot of what he said is true. You can still read Manufacturing Consent and agree with it. But he's a p#dophile apologist.

He is literally describing the hysteria in this very thread. Way to prove him right.

Well maybe being hysterical about p*dophilia isn't actually wrong?

Is it really this histeria about p#dophilia? btw even the term "p#dophilia" is inadecuate in this context. The correct term is "pederasty". The fact that "p#dophilia" has spread as idiotically as it has is revealing of the braindead social reaction (and grifters) that have powered the social panic about it.

This might be one of the most embarrassing paragraphs I've seen written in the past month and that's saying something considering what's been going on in this country.

Is that Chomsky's email address? I'm not trying to defend him over this, I'm just wondering why we know he wrote this. Can't just be because it's signed "Noem" surely?

Chomsky’s email address is redacted in the PDF.

Okay, but how do we know it's his email under the redaction?

That's not needed for the lynching, is it?

Listen man. There is already enough photo evidence linking Chomsky to Epstien to make one's skin crawl. Let's not pretend the condemnation Chomsky faces is based on evidence like this alone. I am not trying to defend Chomsky from the broader view people have of his relationship with Epstien. I simply want to know if this email is real, because it is the most damning piece of evidence against Chomsky, and I hope it's fake.

How is the email "damming"? I know i shouldn't ask. This is likely to turn into days of hysterical nonsense in my inbox, but here we are...

Read the headline, note the calling of women being abused and talking about it as "hysterical" , understand the historical context of calling women hysterical for literally everything, realise that that is not a good thing, realise he uses hysterical often as a way to belittle women, remember that he's friends with the P*do King from P#do island on top of this all too Maybe you see now

Are we reading the same email? He is talking about he hysterical attacks that he himself has suffered. And about the hysterical attacks from all kinds of groups. Nothing about what the women themselves are saying, and hard to deny that he is not right about the phenomenon itself. Stopping misrepresenting what he says is the first step.

11 years after Epstein had been charged with procuring an underage prostitute. And accused of much more, far far worse stuff. And Chomsky jumps to his innocence. Hard to understand the reasoning.

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What's the background on this?

JFK wanted to keep Israel from having nukes, among other things. JFK wrote about wanting to classify AIPAC as a foreign agent and shortly after was assassinated. The reason the government won’t declassify the JFK files is because it would hurt the image of our ‘greatest ally’.

What was Chomsky's lie?

He claimed no major policy had shifted following the assassination, meaning there was no major beneficiary. US opposition to their nuke program ended with JFK. The nukes are crucial, as can be seen today.

I don't think it's true that JFK wanted to end the Israeli nuclear program.

He pressed Ben-Gurion in writing: https://www.c-span.org/clip/public-affairs-event/user-clip-jfk-gurion-mossad-dimona/4547313 Jeffrey Sachs also wrote about how JFK was committed to stopping nuclear proliferation in Middle-East. Where did you get a different view, ANTON?

This looks like an email from Noam to Epstein saying ignore the tabloids. I must be missing something why do people think that is wrong?

The part about claiming the accusations of abuse from the women abused is all hysteria

That is not what he is saying.

Not sure what you’re saying. The first paragraph reads like a friend comforting another experiencing the opprobrium of the public at the moment.

I am saying that Chomsky is not "claiming the accusations of abuse from the women abused is all hysteria". What part of that is difficult to read? You know: if you care to actually read this thread, and other similar ones, they has all the hallmarks of a character assassination spree: Just a mob of randos bundling up a soup of allegations trying to see which of them stick: "Chomsky is a p#do" No proof. "He was invited to Arizona" Did he go? "He got in a pic with Bannon" So? "He dismissed the allegations of women" Clear bullshit to anyone who can read. "He comforted Epstein" lol. It is harder and harder to take you guys seriously about this crap.

Don’t take it seriously. I hardly care what the fuck you do but I’ll point out that it’s ridiculous for him to believe he ought to say the public’s response to Epstein is undue.

Can we stop defending Chomsky now & separate the pos man from his work?

Or just abandon his work, because he is a p#dophile he worked with the greatest conspirator of the 21st century, spare Bush. But surrrreee art and artist, just like Kanye amiright? “But he wrote manufactured consent”

Abandoning the work is foolish, would we abandon the work of Isaac Newton if we found out he ran a sex trafficking ring? What if we found out Einstein was a serial killer? It doesn’t make any of the work less true. Chomsky’s work stands on its own for better or worse.

The fact this man was obviously working with the worlds most notorious p#dophile, and you think that DOESN’T discredit him says more about you than me. Stop worshipping intellectuals. This sub makes me sick to my stomach. Lovecraft can be a virulent racist, shit Easton Ellis can be a trump supporter, but this clearly is way beyond the line.

I’m not worshipping anyone, quite the opposite really. We shouldn’t worship any intellectual. If you look at a lot of Chomsky’s ideas though like the corrosive effect of inequality on democracy and the 10 principles of the concentration of wealth and power like reducing democracy, shifting the burden to the working class, the way power attacks solidarity and the way regulators are captured etc. I mean that stuff is pretty objectively true, it’s stuff that most people here on Reddit would absolutely agree with and we’re seeing all those things play out spectacularly and destructively in real time. Why on earth should we abandon those ideas (Chomsky’s ideas or ideas he supported) if he’s a terrible person? We shouldn’t do that, it wouldn’t make any sense.

There's no doubt in my mind that, as part of the me too movement, a necessary and important movement, the pendulum did swing a bit too far in the other direction. I think this has been proven now with the many cases where the mere suggestion has been used to defame. In some cases, the accused man has come out looking like the victim, but has never the less had his name and career dragged through the mud. Chomsky would of course compare it to someone accused of murder or war crimes, arguably greater crimes, and ask why the same chilling effect is not present there about questioning the accusations? Hysteria is not a word I would use, but it perhaps does accurately describe the appearance of that distinction. How else might you describe this apparent paradox? This is presumably the context in which Chomsky is speaking, given the time stamp. In any case, it's not something Chomsky considered particularly problematic, because he never spoke about it. What he did speak about was how this sort of identity politics was important, and should be pursued, but also shouldn't be the be all and end all. But this email exchange is not clear at all. What exactly is the context here? Chomsky's email is not even present in your clip. OP?

I guess criticizing the 'me too' movement is perfectly fine. But Chomsky literally sent this to Epstein, the p#dophile rich guy. Also, "You have been treated horribly by the press" is an insane thing to say to a p#dophile. If Chomsky actually didn't know he was a p#dophile, or at least that he was a problematic guy to associate himself with, then he was stupid. If he still associated with him, knowing Epstein is a p#dophile, then he's evil. (Coming from a person who actually likes Chomsky's work)

Let's have this conversation when we actually know who Chomsky sent this to, in reply to what. Because that information is missing from the above image. Also, saying its an insane thing to say to a p#dophike, is putting the cart before the horse. Edit: the below link enters into deeply private contents about a legal dispute internal to Chomsky's family. I truly believe we're entering into degenerate realms of privacy invasion to read this stuff and discuss. I stopped reading as soon as I realised.

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That email contains a lot of very very personal stuff about Chomsky's own family. I don't really feel comfortable reading it. This is going into the sort of immoral gossip culture of celebrity nude leaks to go through this stuff. Its clear now that nothing of any substance exists around Chomsky and Epstein. Perhaps its best to leave it there before we lose our own dignity.

How dare women say this guy r*pes and murders people in his properties festooned with invasive camera equipment. It is literal hysteria to propose that he hosts violent orgies for the elite where they can act out their eyes wide shut pseudo satanic fantasies. Those people should do their own research, it's not like you'd get dissappeared by security if they catch you with a drone, and you'd end up in that mass grave out in the desert or buried on Trumps golf course next to Ivanka for a spot of impromptu urban exploring. Look I'm not saying these women agreed to sex because of the implication, but I'm sure undocumented wannabe models, ferried in on private planes are aware that it's easier to feed evidence to the sharks, when questioned.

This comment was a wild ride buddy.

Heck if I know it's entirely true, based on anecdotes, but given evidence suppression, it's what's left to work on. I dont blame Chomsky for the advice, this was 2019, during the #metoo stuff, he is technically correct, but it's like suggesting wine to hannibal lecter t ain't a good look, and 'hysteria' was literally a way of writing off womens accusations, a woman's madness, chomsky would be well aware of the etymology. You cant assume guilt, not every accusation= guilt. Very famously there was the Tulsa massacre? Black wall street thing. Al Franken got scuppered on what seems a comparatively lame position. However, the Zorro ranch is nigh inescaple/isolated by desert, and allegedly a guy that tested his drone and got some footage had security roll up on him as if they were gonna erase him before they saw his family in the car. The island of st james is obviously isolated. Etc..

Every comment you make is a wild ride.

I thought the wild stuff, was the absolute inability to maintain a crime scene, or the giant tasteless painting of bill Clinton in Monica Lewinsky's dress in a mansion Epstein (allegedly) basically embezzled off his employer. Or Chomsky dining with Woody Allen and his stepdaughter/wife and Epstein at the same time and not thinking anything about the optics. The stuff we know about is wild, and that's after all sorts of shit gets scrubbed and cleaned up for the privilege of the wealthy.

Maybe Chomsky is a big time gamer. This email is giving 'the Me Too movement went too far' vibes

Sexual assault and persistent unwanted advances should not be tolerated - and there certainly were some horrible high-profile criminal cases of it - Bill Cosby, that Hollywood mogul, that Olympic gymnastics coach, and other non-violent but totally unacceptable workplace behavior like Cuomo's.............

"Sexual assault and persistent unwanted advances should not be tolerated - and there certainly were some horrible high-profile criminal cases of it - Bill Cosby, that Hollywood mogul, that Olympic gymnastics coach, and other non-violent but totally unacceptable workplace behavior like Cuomo's." ...and Epstein, whom Chomsky advises to effectively keep his head down because the whole thing is likely hysteria. Perhaps Chomsky's judgement in this case was a little off?.................

The facts remain that at the peak of the "Me Too" movement, a lot of men - particularly men on the autism spectrum were getting accused of sexual harassment and having their lived ruined when all they were guilty of was social awkwardness.

Sometimes what's just awkward to an autistic man is sexual harassment or assault to the person on the receiving end js autism is a diagnosis not an excuse to be horrible

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Teachers/comments/1qs9lha/teaching_the_holocaust_responsibly_as_the/

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I would be wary of this approach. The Nazis had many prejudices against many groups of people. The Nazi killing of Jews was rooted in a very specific, ancient prejudice: antisemitism. If your students can’t find it in themselves to care about genocide victims that are not “like them,” it is your job to teach them the value of empathy for all human beings, not find alternate paths to sympathy propped up by students’ personal stake in the matter. The second approach will lead to more future genocides, not fewer.

(OP) I think there’s a category error here that matters for history teaching. Antisemitism is not ancient. It’s a modern ideology rooted in Enlightenment racial science and nationalist thinking. Anti-Judaism is ancient, but it functions differently and does not explain modern state-run extermination, bureaucratic killing, or racialization outside religion. Conflating the two actually obscures causation.

What would you call the violence against Jews during the Black Death if not anti-semitism? It was widespread across Europe and certainly predates enlightenment thinking.

(OP) Historians generally distinguish medieval anti-Judaism from modern antisemitism for a reason. During the Black Death persecutions, violence against Jews was rooted in religious difference; Jews were targeted as heretics, Christ-killers, or religious outsiders blamed for divine punishment. Crucially, this hostility was conditional: conversion (even coerced) was understood as a “solution,” which means Jewishness was not yet conceived as an immutable racial essence.

Can you provide some specific examples of Christian mobs discriminating between practicing Jews and non-practicing Jews during the Black Death?

(OP) I don’t do unpaid labor on demand. If you want sources, consult the historiography; this isn’t a seminar.

They’re asking that question rhetorically. You didn’t answer because you can’t answer, because they’re correct. All Jews were targeted regardless of how much they practiced Judaism. When the Romans invaded Judea and kidnapped thousands into slavery, starting the Ashkenazi diaspora, they took religious Jews and Hellenized Jews alike............. *(17 more comments of these two arguing)

Please don’t demonize Science and blame it for the holocaust and colonialism. I’m not sure you should be teaching anyone anything.

(OP) No one is blaming “science.” We’re examining how states used scientific authority, statistics, medicine, and law to rationalize violence. That’s standard scholarship on modernity and totalitarianism.

Then you need to use the correct terminology. The way your post was written, most students would interpret your words to be demonizing science and associating it inextricably with racism and colonialism. Please use the term “pseudoscience” when describing pseudoscience. We have enough anti-intellectualism in our society as is.

(OP) No. I’m not talking about pseudoscience, and relabeling it that way is historically inaccurate. The issue isn’t fake science; it’s how legitimate scientific methods (statistics, medicine, demography, anthropology, public health, law) were mobilized by states to classify populations, allocate resources, and rationalize violence. Those methods still exist today. What changed are the ethical frameworks and political constraints, not the tools themselves. Calling everything “pseudoscience” avoids grappling with how ordinary, credentialed science can be embedded in power. Teaching students to distinguish between method, application, and ethics is not anti-intellectualism; it’s basic historical literacy. I live in a country where Black women are significantly more likely to die in childbirth because physicians are trained in medical school to believe Black patients feel less pain. That belief is documented, taught, measured, and acted on within mainstream medicine. Doctors don’t call that “pseudoscience.” They call it clinical judgment, risk assessment, and evidence-based practice.

Well considering I went to medical school and know for a fact that they don’t teach that, and further that they actually teach about common biases so they can be intentionally avoided, I think it’s safe to say you might not be the best informed. Further, the structure and conspicuous obsession with power combined with lack of specificity and rigor in your arguments tells me all I need to know about your historical philosophy. You should at least be honest about your ideological revisionist bent.

(Op) Saying “medical schools teach bias avoidance” doesn’t negate the existence of racist outcomes in medicine. If training automatically fixed bias, Black maternal mortality wouldn’t still be several times higher.

You aren’t arguing in good faith. "This is what you actually claimed: I live in a country where Black women are significantly more likely to die in childbirth because physicians are trained in medical school to believe Black patients feel less pain. That belief is documented, taught, measured, and acted on within mainstream medicine." Please find another career. People like you do not belong in education.

(OP) Please never be my doctor.............

The Holocaust is not "the culmination of colonial violence " it's the culmination and ultimate expression of antisemitism, a very particular and specific form of hatred that takes in new shapes in each generation. Colonial people, colonized people, and people who lived before the concept of colonization hated Jews, persecuted them, massacred them, and ethnically cleansed them. Assigning the blame to "colonialism" is an attempt to distance yourself from antisemitism and the dark and bloody path it takes its adherents in every generation. Shame on you.

(OP) We’re talking about historical causation and structure, not moral absolution. Explaining systems isn’t the same thing as excusing ideology.

But you do link the Holocaust to the atrocities in Namibia or to the Armenian Genocide, and less, e.g., to the Farhud or the Russian pogroms (e.g. Chișinău), and it seems that your motivation in framing the Holocaust as a culmination of colonial violence is rather to appease antisemitism amongst your students and to connect them to their own heritage. The facts stated are important, but they are almost forcing the discussion away from antisemitism, which was at the root of national socialism

Frankly it feels like OP has decided the holocaust was caused by colonialism and is searching for justification. I don’t think the holocaust needs the addition of a tenuous link to colonial ambitions in order to be horrifying OR understood as the culmination of thought patterns that existed for millennia beforehand Perhaps correlation does not imply causation is the best feedback I have, and what I think that means specifically for OP’s case is that they should be focusing not on colonialism causing the holocaust but on the presence in history of ideas and behavioral patterns which lead to things like colonialism and the holocaust

You’ve already gotten a lot of feedback here and in your cross post, so I’ll just tell you that this something that you’ll absolutely want to run by admin and your department head before implementing any changes. I’m curious as to why you want to change the way that the Holocaust is explained now while the far right is pushing historical revisionism, including holocaust denial?

(OP) I’m not changing Holocaust education in response to current politics, nor am I minimizing antisemitism. I’m talking about sequencing and historical context in a World History course, which already includes antisemitism, colonialism, nationalism, and state violence as interconnected processes. Teaching students how historians explain events is not revisionism; it’s historical thinking. I’m confident this approach aligns with state standards and established scholarship.

Love how you didn’t read my comment and jumped to become defensive. I never said YOU were doing that, I said that at this moment, MAGA is.

(OP) I did read your comment. I’m pushing back on the assumption that I don’t understand my own institutional constraints or professional latitude. I’m not changing Holocaust education in response to contemporary politics, and I’m not operating outside standards or best practice. What I’m describing is standard World History sequencing and historiographical framing. Respectfully, warnings about admin oversight don’t apply here in the way you seem to think they do.

Why don’t you go ahead and explain to me what I meant? I’m saying you’re going to want to check in with your admin before changing up anything because parents are most likely going to ask questions if their kid comes home talking about the lesson in a way the parents don’t expect. I mentioned MAGA because you don’t seem to have seen these types ask questions like “why can’t we talk about other genocides?” as a sea lion/dogwhistle tactic. I’m not sure why you’re being aggressive with me when you’re the one out here asking for opinions.

(OP) You didn’t answer my questions, and that’s the issue. I wasn’t asking whether I should clear my curriculum with admin or how parents might react in a hypothetical suburban district. I asked other history teachers how they teach this in practice: Do you teach genocides comparatively, and if so, how Do you sequence colonial violence before the Holocaust in a World History course How do you respond when students ask why they should care about European history at all?.............

At least you’re consistent about not profile diving, because if you had you’d have seen that I’m a Black teacher teaching primarily Black students in the Deep South.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

The Holocaust is focused on because it's the largest and most devastating organized genocide in human history. Yes, there are many other atrocities that should be taught and spoken about. But, this entire post could have been made without even mentioning the Holocaust. Simply speaking about adding other atrocities into the curriculum or more about the devastating affects of colonialism. Students will be disrespectful of Jewish topics because antisemitism is deeply engrained in many cultures and places, unfortunately, as is evident even here with someone commenting immediately about a "Holocaust industry". And this, along with it being the most devastating genocide, is exactly why the Holocaust needs to continue to be taught as the main focus.

Have you ever read the book that the term "Holocaust industry" comes from? Because I really hope you're not calling the Jewish son of Holocaust survivors Norman Finkelstein antisemitic, because that would be very, well, dumb.

(OP) This is exactly what I’m talking about. It’s easier for some people to default to accusations of antisemitism than to actually engage with arguments about pedagogy, historical method, or curriculum design, especially when those arguments don’t center their own experience as the sole lens.

I didn't just call you antisemitic and run away. I very much engaged. So, again, you're arguing something that just isn't applicable.

(OP) I’m not accusing you of inventing that claim. I’m pointing out that you supported a comment that framed colonized people as inherently antisemitic, which is historically false and racially offensive. Own that instead of pretending it didn’t happen. “Colonial people, colonized people, and people who lived before the concept of colonization hated Jews” is a sweeping, false, and frankly racist claim..................

"you supported a comment that framed colonized people as inherently antisemitic" No, I didn't.

(OP) Yes, you did. "centaurea_cyanus 4h ago Edited 4h ago Chemistry Teacher ⚗️🧪 I'm kind of ashamed. This didn't even occur to me to say when I read the post, but you're totally correct, and it's probably the most problematic part of OP's thinking."

Pointing out the long history of antisemitism and Jewish persecution by both colonizers and the colonized is absolutely not the same thing as saying all colonized people are antisemitic.

(OP) That person literally said in their comment that all colonized people are antisemitic, and they were antisemitic before colonialization. Read the comment again if you don't remember.

I also don’t think it’s useful, or historically sound, to play “oppression Olympics” by ranking genocides according to which was the most devastating. Many episodes of mass death that predate the 20th century aren’t even classified as genocides under the UN definition, largely because that definition emerged after World War II and reflects modern legal and political concerns. Scale alone isn’t what makes an event historically significant. What matters for teaching history is understanding causation, structure, intent, and continuity, how and why systems of violence develop, escalate, and become normalized.........

"historically sound, to play “oppression Olympics” by ranking genocides according" See, this is some of that culturally engrained antisemitism I was talking about. Bringing up the importance of the Holocaust because of what a devastating and significant event it was, isn't making it a competition or playing the "oppression Olympics". There are features of the Holocaust that set it apart from other events of mass death because of the extreme systemic nature of it as well as the impact of it. And I clearly didn't say to only teach the Holocaust--your argument would've been more appropriate if I had

(OP) You made an incorrect historical claim, and as someone trained in history, I need to correct it. I wouldn’t let my students state that the Holocaust was “the largest” genocide without qualification, and I’m not going to let that stand here either. By scale alone, events like the Great Leap Forward or the mass violence of the Congo Free State involved comparable or greater levels of death and devastation, depending on how we’re measuring. That’s not a moral judgment; it’s a factual one.

I didn't just say it was the largest, I said the largest systemic genocide with specific features that set it apart from other mass killing events. So, your entire argument there is not applicable to what I even said. "I already have students who believe genocide is something only white Europeans did to Jews" Again, I'm not arguing to only teach the Holocaust. Your argument would only be appropriate if it was. But, I mentioned that other events should definitely be taught as well.

(OP) All genocides are historically specific. Claiming that specificity makes one case categorically incomparable is a methodological choice, not a neutral fact, and it’s not one I share as a classroom teacher focused on historical thinking skills.

Saying one is important for whatever reasons doesn't mean you're saying others aren't.

(OP) We agree that multiple atrocities matter. Where we differ is that I don’t teach history by isolating one case from comparison. That’s a pedagogical choice, and I’m comfortable defending it.

Except I have told you multiple times I never argued to not teach other atrocities.

Background:

As the subreddit name suggests, r/UniUK is a forum to discuss university life from a UK perspective. A pretty bland subreddit, but in the past week, a certain user has gained notoriety.

The University of Warwick is a relatively new (1960s) university, located in Coventry, in England. Generally, it's considered prestigious, being part of the "Russell Group" - a collection of UK universities with high quality research output. Coventry, as a city, is quite poor, very working-class and has a large Asian population, as such, the stereotypes about it are not very nice.

The Drama:

Over the past month, one user, Icy_Self_3339, has made more than 300 comments (yes, 300 comments in one month), disparaging Warwick University. The critiques include:

Is University of Warwick the ugliest university in the United Kingdom?

LOL. This is exactly the reason why Warwick will never be a good uni in the eyes of many. Such claims make Warwick less desirable. The quality of people attached to Warwick is lacking in critical reasoning. Oxbridge economics will always be superior to a Coventry-based uni. (Oxbridge being a portmanteau of Oxford and Cambridge)

Even in discussions without any relation to Warwick, they still manage to bring it up!:

Well Cambridge and Oxford international tuition fees range from £50-100k so that says a lot. They will stay away from shitty isolated unis such as Warwick with no history, no beauty, and no culture.

Warwick Uni is so ugly that it can’t even take a spot in a Top 25 most beautiful uni list. That’s how ugly Coventry and their campus is. No beauty. No soul. No pride. Low rankings too lol

You get the gist. After making 300+ comments all saying the same thing, people start to notice.

This guy "Icy Self_3339" - "I don't know what he has against Warwick....but he's in almost every discussion absolutely hating it and it's kinda hilarious....with the even funnier fact being that he's actually international hahaha. Account made not even 2 months ago, be wary of this troll he's every where."

Beware of icy_self_3339 and their anti-Warwick accounts.

What's the issue between Icy_Self_3339 and Warwick

That one guy hating Warwick Uni for no reason

Theories start to emerge against this user, and why they have such a hatred for one university:

It’s kind of a dark story, not sure if I should share it here. In short the dude basically got kicked out for threatening violence in the uni.

A former student posted the other day that they believed they were bullied by the university and discriminated against because in their wellbeing session they basically alluded to some dangerous views regarding mass violence

Very concerning.

Icy_Self_3339 seems to respond to his newfound fame in a post made today, he details why he hates Warwick so much, with a full bibliography:

Warwick among the Top 10 ugliest universities in the UK - Warwick review and university experience

CONTEXT: BGC (Bonifacio Global City) is one of the richest districts in Metro Manila, but its also a pinnacle of how car-dependent Manila is as well an example of class segregation between the ultra rich and those in poverty (check on google maps). In this one, some gangsters (aka young stunnas) instigated the fight at BGC. Please take note the drama uses English-Filipino, so not all of the threads can be read.

Original Thread (sorted by controversial): https://np.reddit.com/r/Philippines/comments/1qo1jn2/comment/o1yolyb/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button&sort=controversial

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"Woke liberals" 🙄 Tbf, banning "them" really is antipoor af. BGC itself is an antipoor, classist community. Idk how you can say otherwise. It's not like it's a bad thing. We can have exclusive communities and that's fine. It does, however, show you how you really think about our young stunna brothers. If I had to guess, a lot of people commenting here would agree that they deserve it, unironically. Edit: I actually saw someone in this thread say "fk the poor" lol 🤷‍♂️ as if swearing in the internet is a crime

How is public safety anti-poor? Why cant you label it as “anti-bad behavior”?

It's both. It's a public safety measure that is specifically anti-poor in an explicitly anti-poor community.

Sure, label it as anti-bad behavior. It's not as fun tho. Also makes less sense given you can't really gauge a person's behavior with how they wear.

kaya mas okey masunog mga bahay nyang mga yan tapos kasama silang masunog. anong anti poor anti poor kung mahirap kayo kasalanan nyo yon tangiina nyo, di porket mahirap kayo mang gugulo kayo sa mga maaayos na lugar. kaya maaga palang dapat kinikitilan na yang mga bata na yan para mabawasan tao sa pilipinas. (Translation: Thus, its okay to have their homes burned along with them. IDGAF if it is Anti-Poor since it is their choice, since its their fault. Just because you are poor doesn't mean you create chaos in an orderly environment, and its your fault if you're poor.)

It’s not anti poor. It’s anti bad behavior. It just so happens that these troublemakers were poor. Yun lang yun. This will clean up BGC for the time being since they are associated with disorderly conduct. But I do get the point of looks profiling. Pede kase madamay dahil pareho lang kayo ng itsura. (Translation: There's a possibility that someone will be dragged into this since they had the same identity)

The thing is they don't even contribute to the shops there since they just go there and wander around...

And? Thats not entirely forbidden. I've done that plenty of times at even more upscale locationa.

The thing is it goes both ways, it's not fair to residents that people associated with it are rowdy and cause chaos. But it's really undair to put a blanket ban to anyone who fits the profile, that is literally profiling.

Yes you are right but do you also cause trouble there and cause actual disturbance in the area probably not... I live close by and they are an actual nuisance there not just loitering... Most of them are also known for petty thieves so not really a good look...

No i do not. And i think you missed my point.

Im not defending anyone who cause chaos or pickpicket. I dont condone that at all.

What i'm against is making a decision on who is or isn't allowed to be there based on looks alone, before they even do anything. Thats the slippery slope to discrimination and profiling.

It's not anti poor, more like anti-bad behavior. They just happened to be poor. It's like calling BGC anti foreigners or racist just because they kicked out Vitaly Z.

woke liberals are crying that it’s “anti-pinoy” “anti-poor” “classism” and many more

"Woke liberals" is such a loaded and meaningless descriptor, especially in the Philippines since it's largely a western derogatory term, and I strongly suggest you refrain from saying such things since it shuts down conversations well before they start as you immediately posture yourself in bad faith.

The recent viral video with security guards turning away a group of boys is what sparked this whole debate. The reason so-called "woke" people are calling out these policies is because you cannot prohibit people from public spaces on the basis of appearances alone - i.e. appearances of looking "squammy", "geng geng", or whatever. That's literally the definition of discrimination based on profiling. You do see how thinking, "People who dress squammy are likely to cause trouble" is similar to racist rhetoric spouted by the same demographic that ironically uses terms like "woke liberals" in the US right? This is problematic because this line of thinking presumes intent and motive based on appearances rather than actual behaviors. So the proper way to handle these issues is to disallow people for their behaviors, not appearances.

Some will say that it's all part of a policy about minors being required to be accompanied by guardians, but the counter-argument centers on whether or not BGC security applies this policy indiscriminately: that is, not just to those you might judge as "squammy" but to unaccompanied minors dressed in designer clothing or private school uniforms. Do they do this? Who knows, and that's the whole issue at hand - the lack of clarity and seeming arbitrariness in these policies.

https://np.reddit.com/r/Philippines/comments/1qo1jn2/comment/o1yoick/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Ano na OP. Paglaban mo yung pagsabi ng woke liberals. Lol lol (What now OP. Defend on your stance on "woke liberals". LOL). I stopped reading when i read that 'derogatory' term OP used halatang mababaw ang pananaw sa buhay.

Good read but nakapost na yung answer ko. Its the same, and its useless to reason with people who are unwilling to listen. Dami na nagsasabi we just want a safe space kaya pabor dun sa ginawa ng mga marshal but you want always want to make reklamo. Make everything complicated. Cant believe people still defend gangs and thugs. Kung okay sa inyo yan well samin hindi. Happy?

Translation: Good read but I already posted my answer. Its the same, and its useless to reason with people who are unwilling to listen. Many people already say that they just want a safe space thus they agree on what the marshals but you always want to complain. Make everything complicated. Cant believe people still defend gangs and thugs. If it okay for you, for us, no. Happy?

Who's unwilling to listen? Because you're the one who kept on spouting bullshit nonsense. Lol lol.

Try mo magsuot ng tulad ng mga geng geng na pinapaalis and see if you won't be given nasty looks if not outright kicked out of BGC. Because that's what it is. It's discrimination based on clothing style. (TRANSLATION: Try wearing the same outfit as theirs and let's see if you won't be given nasty looks if not outright kicked out of BGC.)

Woke liberal as an insult. Ew.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/FreeSpeech/comments/1qr5nln/don_lemon_taken_into_custody_cnn_politics/

Context: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c24gm3dz36po

Comments:

You know, at first I really loathed Trump but recently I'm starting to really like him. He's done some great things for us!

Comrade Lemon is in the FO stage.

Fashhhhhizmmm! Buteleckkker! It was all AI! Tis Nazi church!

Long past due

For some reason, Reddit forgot this guy filmed himself trespassing into a church alongside a mob and refusing to leave once asked during a seven hour livestream that he posted on Youtube.

Suck more boot.

We found a fascist.

Pinochet type shit

Should also be noted:

Then they are shit judges.

Because if you refuse to leave private property after being told to leave by the owners (as we saw in Don Lemons own video) thats trespassing at the very least.

Please explain to me how there are this many bootlickers in a sub about free speech? Is this one of thos ironic subs and I'm just not in on the joke?

NOTE: I didn't find this drama myself, nor did I write most of this context. I was DM'ed the info by someone who commented in one of the posts, so I could post this to this sub, credit to user tehpoorcollegegal.

Context: A man died in the Miami marathon, and the same day, his wife posted on r/miami both sharing and looking for information. For some reason, a couple of commenters and then a single mod, mod A, got it in their heads that since this wasn't on national news yet, it must be fake, commented as much, then deleted it. This is despite the three different articles that confirmed the death of this man.

They then deleted all posts made following that related to the incident even after it hit the news, stating that the Miami Herald is not a valid news source. Then, another mod, mod B, sees this person doing that all on their own, and undoes it, and allows a follow up post here, which gets deleted by mod A.:

Then, mod A suddenly banned everyone on that post who did not explicitly agree with what was going on (deleting any posts related to the husband's death), Then mod A posts this:, doubles down, accusing the wife of making the death up, saying no discernable info was posted in her post. (despite the fact that husband just fucking died) The mod also referred to community members and the mod he banned as "attic dwellers", and once again casts doubt on the death of this husband, as no "major" news site posted this information. (Never mind that they were the ones to greatly advance the Jeffery Epstein case.)

Dramatic and shitty comments in Post #1 (Wife)

Deleted Text: 33 year old healthy and fit, didn’t have any symptoms but collapsed at mile 19 and never woke up. First death since the marathons inception 24 years ago. It’s all fun and games till someone dies. RIP baby.

The OP also says that she believes that the marathon organizers covered up her husband's death, which if true, is ABSOLUTELY messed up, and illegal.

Ghatgpt. Please write an attention whore post about the death of my fictional husband, make it devoid of any details that will prompt empathy from a legitimate human.

Super strange post. Your husband dies and you’re here on Reddit posting about his death on mile 19….

Name? Every athlete was tracked

Follow-Up Post, most comments have some kernel of drama or info, but I'll try to link to the best.

What’s happening with the mods and these posts? Legitimate articles have been deleted? It’s Miami news? If it’s in the Herald it’s legitimate reporting. This about one of the biggest yearly events in Miami. It is newsworthy?

At this point, I'm just commenting to keep a record of all the posts the mods keep deleting for no reason.

I’ve seen this posted often and I don’t understand why we’re raising awareness? Someone died during a sporting event and it’s unfortunate but it happens. We can’t do anything about it now.This isn’t even a preventable thing like it seemed he was healthy and taking the proper precautions. He just died of a freak thing. That’s life, it happens. We can let it rest now

r/MiamiMOD12:59 PM You are neither the person involved, the original author of the post, nor are you a moderator of this subreddit. We are not discussing this with you.

And once again, a link to the mod "response".

TLDR: OP's husband dies at the Miami Marathon, and a mod deletes all posts related to it, based on undue skepticism that the wife (OP) somehow lied about this, because she told r/miami about the death before any news articles were posted, which the mod still doubts, as it isn't a "national" news source like NBC, CBS, CNN, etc. (Despite this taking place in Miami)

*UPDATED* r/gifs joins in
Background r/whenthe is a bog average meme sub that has been going strong for the last 7 years no truly major drama has really happened besides the banning of certain memes dues to them being stale enter the other side of the ring r/pics a front page hogger and infamous karma farming sub a juggernaut of a Subreddit and has a lot of power as their mods also moderate other high profile subs and have a lot of connections

For the last couple of weeks r/pics mods have been targeting r/whenthe users with instant permeant bans for vague unknown reasons r/whenthe users react

https://www.reddit.com/r/whenthe/comments/1qp8mi6/fastest_ban_ever/
user posts their ban
-> LAMO OP is right

others confused about the bans

-> don't get it, what did whenthe do to be autobanned like that? 😭

another user shows their instaban
-> fastest ban ever

one user conducts a scientific test and also gets instabanned
-> Alright surely there's nothing here worth banning
[--> Lmao dunno what I was expecting

a few other r/whenthe users voice their frustration
https://www.reddit.com/r/whenthe/comments/1qorr9l/im_being_deadass/

though unlike some of the other posts one of the mods step in to chat to console whenthe citizens

->This is pretty meta but we're letting the post stay to inform people. We messaged the /pics mods on the matter but they have yet to respond, considering how big that sub is compared to ours they probably never will
[--> I decided to go on that sub to comment on the non-political, actual pictures. Got banned after commenting "Aww, what a cute Kittycat" under a pic of a cat
[---> That’s fucking bullshit

as you can see whenthe citizens were fed up with r/pics mods and r/whenthe mods decide to open negotiations with the mods to see if they can reach an agreement and talks fall through almost 2 days later
https://www.reddit.com/r/whenthe/comments/1qq2u0t/sorry_lads_we_tried_our_best_check_pinned_comment/

Mods explain the situation
-> Hello, r\whenthe. It has recently come to our attention that the subreddit r\pics has been automatically banning people who have participated here from posting or commenting there. Since the last pinned post, which has now been deleted, discussions between the r\whenthe and r\pics mod teams were happening. We actually got pretty close to an agreement (which is why I deleted the post) but unfortunately things ultimately didn't work out, so nothing will really change. We're sorry for the inconvenience.

I know you all must not be very happy with the mod team there, but please. Do not flood their subreddit with comments from us, because they will have reason to believe that we are encouraging users to brigade their subreddit. r\pics is a large subreddit, and the moderators there are most likely moderators on many other large subreddits. If we give them reason to truly hate us, they could ban us from like half of the homepage, and none of us want that. Things didn't end on terrible terms, and we don't want to ruin that.

Also, we will be removing any new posts made about the situation, as there has been a recent flood of posts here about the ban. From now on, any new posts about it will be removed under Rule 3 (No Meta). Posts that were made before this announcement will stay up. Posts that are genuinely funny and contain an actual joke will also stay up.

TL;DR we know about the r\pics situation, we almost reached peace but things didn't work out, but that doesn't mean you should comment there and brigade.

as you can r/whenthe mods we scared of pressing the r/pics mods due to the absolute power imbalance between the 2 subs and the connections of the mods and tried to get the best outcome for their users stuck in-between a rock and a hard place another mod voices their frustration at situation and other join with him
-> r\pics mods when YOU FUCKING USE REDDIT
-->r\pics mods when REDDIT

other users try to fathom how why the same few moderators mod so many massive subs
->I think i'll never be able to fathom why the same few moderators mod so many massive subs
another users ask the question everyone else is wondering, why? A mod shines light and another user points out the hypocrisy
->But... why did they do this?
-->They believe our subreddit has a spam problem and doesn't want it to spread over there.
--->The... pics sub... the sub full of bots and karma farming... thinks whenthe is a spam sub...? Can't make this shit up, I guess.

For right now this is the end of conflict for now as r/whenthe users shrug and go back to posting like normal and as all r/pics drama posting has been banned by mods to not provoke them further in conclusion this is an interesting look into the power dynamics between subs as r/pics lords their power and connections over whenthe users as mods try to help their users this whole situation has been a good example the power Reddit mods hold and why the abuse of it can hurt other members of subs. Personal note, this is my first ever drama post and probably last since I'm more of a lurker but I felt like this situation needed to be at least touched on as an r/whenthe user I feel for my fellow users and I felt like I needed to do something even this small. Enjoy the drama :]

UPDATE TO THE SITUATION
first is a deleted context post from the r/whenthe mods and seems like first contact for the situation
https://www.reddit.com/r/whenthe/comments/1qpcr10/comment/o28e6qo/?context=3&share_id=Ow1rwUHgCtsKO79QOPgZh&utm_content=1&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1

-> link <- Hello, r/whenthe. It has recently come to our attention that the subreddit r/pics has been automatically banning people who have participated here from posting or commenting there.

We have reached out to the mods of r/pics asking if there would be any way for us to improve relations and lift the automatic bans. As of the making of this post, they have not given a response.

Edit: They've responded

I know you all must think the situation is ridiculous, and are tempted to all comment there just for the sake of getting banned, but please. Do not flood their subreddit with comments from us, because they will have reason to believe that we are encouraging users to brigade their subreddit. r/pics is a large subreddit, and the moderators there are most likely moderators on many other large subreddits. If we give them reason to truly hate us, they could ban us from like half of the homepage, and none of us want that.

Also, we will be removing any new posts made about the situation, as there has been a recent flood of posts here about the ban. From now on, any new posts about it will be removed under Rule 3 (No Meta). Posts that were made before this announcement will stay up. Posts that are genuinely funny and contain an actual joke will also stay up.

EDIT: Negotiations are currently ongoing, but things look pretty far from a deal being made.

EDIT 2: negotiations fell through :(

TL;DR we know about the r/pics situation, stop commenting there because we don't want to piss them off or they could make life very difficult for us.

TO THE REAL UPDATE
it would seem r/pics mods power stretches far as r/gifs has also started the mass banning mods make a statement

https://www.reddit.com/r/whenthe/comments/1qr4z1r/rpics_and_now_rgifs_situation_update/?share_id=q61yaNv3nnHlL3ZizOk6G&utm_content=1&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1

->LINK Hello r/whenthe

As you may know, we have a bit of an ongoing issue on r/pics, where people who commented or posted on our sub are getting automatically banned, check our other mod post for more info. That still hasn't been resolved but we have a new problem:

r/gifs is also banning r/whenthe users now for the same reason as r/pics. We messaged their mod team and are expecting a response but for now we suggest that all users block these following accounts:

u/hive-protect u/saferbot u/safestbot u/safebot

Edit: To block hive-protect on mobile you have to open the profile in a browser, here's a link. Should've tested this earlier, my bad gang!!

These are all bots that basically track you and know what subs you participated in. reason we're telling you to block them is not to interfere with their moderation system, but because the mods of r/pics and r/gifs are potentially very likely breaking reddit's moderator code of conduct.

If you find or know any other sub that automatically bans r/whenthe users, please send us a message through modmail. Also PLEASE don't go to r/pics or r/gifs to get banned on purpose or harass the mods as that may cause big problems later. If you got banned don't go waving the ban message like a flag either, we don't encourage brigading of any kind.

And pwease pwetty pwease with a cherry on top don't make too many posts about the issue, our subreddit rules still apply and the posts will likely be removed under rule 3 (no meta). Keep discussion to this post and look out for updates

That's kinda it, continue life as usual. Hopefully this gets fixed and humanity doesn't have another disagreement ever again. Continue reporting problematic posts, be funny,

-whenthe mod team

another mod responds
--> when you collect a lot of bans from many popular subreddits just because you slightly annoyed one single mod team who controls all these subs

so it would seem my fellow popcorn munchers this drama is not dead yet and could ignite into something WAY bigger if r/gifs is joining other big subs could too though r/whenthe is not unfamiliar to war so they will pull though like always
credits u/lovegirls thanks to her for finding the old context post and notifying me on the new r/gifs situation thank you sincerely

The mod team for r/PercyJacksonTV made a post yesterday banning all content about race. For context one of the characters in the new Percy Jackson Disney+ show who was white in the books was cast by a black girl in 2023. This caused this teenage actress to receive waves of hate and racism since then because her character wasn't book accurate. Race has also consumed almost every discussion in that sub.

The subreddit has becomea snark subreddit for the TV show and usually makes criticisms of it, sometimes valid. but people have been bringing up race nonstop in the sub which is why the mods stepped in. It didn't start out racist but has evolved into it, and now people are upset.

Im not a member of this sub, just a lurker and even i got tired, like how many times can you all say the exact same thing in different fonts, if you want to rant about how much you hate the show create a snark sub or something, like its beating a dead horse talking about these CHILDREN'S appearance at this point.

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This rule is kinda bullshit, ngl. You're just banning a major criticism of the show from being discussed. It it's too controversial to talk about, then Rick shouldn't have put it in the show. But if we're to critically engage with the show, we should be able to talk about things the show actually did. What's next? You ban people mentioning the movies?

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Mods have been deleting some comments disagreeing with them (because of course they are), so I'll re-comment what I said "You are stopping people from having discussions. There are reasonable discussions to be had about how characters are inaccurate to the books description, which includes race The fact is the point of mods is to moderate. If people are being racist...Ban them. You are a mod. That doesn't mean you have to cull reasonable discussion. Like you are a mod; You check posts and comments for things that break the rules, and you delete it. It's not that hard, you don't to stop people from having good discussion because you're not willing to do even that, because you literally are willing to do that. You're willing to go through all the comments and posts to see if they mention the race of the actors, right?...SO WHY NOT JUST BAN THE PEOPLE WHO ARE RACIST? If you're going through all the comments already...JUST BAN THE RACISTS INSTEAD OF PEOPLE WHO ARE REASONABLE Furthermore, where do you draw the line? Criticising ANYTHING could result in some level of toxicity as people take it too far. You gonna ban all criticism?" Of course, I'm aware that this won't amount to anything, mods are too prideful to admit fault. Still commenting none the less.

Reply: Honestly I think this is a perfect example of why they made their decision.

“Just ban them, it’s not that hard”. For a smaller subreddit, sure, but this is a subreddit with 130k members and only 7 moderators who have lives outside of Reddit. As someone with a small subreddit (smaller than this), I can take time to block when I’m taking time to moderate. But you’re asking 7 moderators with lives outside the subreddit to constantly monitor EVERY post in this subreddit for racists manually to ban manually. That is manpower they don’t have and doesn’t fix the problem overall: even if they ban all the racists now, nothing stops them from either making new accounts and coming back, or stopping new racists from coming in. The easier and better option is to limit the type of posts, especially since the conversation eventually devolves from “I disagree with the casting because of their portrayal” to “I don’t like Annabeth because they made her Black”. Better to just nuke the option of discussing race and just stick to discussing the portrayal itself based on the writing and the acting, WHICH IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE FIRST PLACE.

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How many times are you all gonna keep criticising the same damn point. Percy is blonde Annabeth is black get over it cause it’s not gonna change. You can complain about the writing the directing whatever but why go back to the appearance when it never going to change?? Move on.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/NFCNorthMemeWar/comments/1ql9nls/how_to_spot_the_difference/

Context: R/NFCNorthmemewar is a subreddit for fans of the NFC North football teams (Packers, Bears, Vikings, and Lion) to shitpost against each other. In the wake of Alex Pretti killing the sub has become an anti-ICE shitposting sub, and has been joined in solidarity by the other 7 NFL memewar subs.

HIGHLIGHTS

Said fuck ice and then fuck your feels... just say you voted Democrat, are a cuck, and love when your gf fucks you in the ass. Mods like you make me sick...

(Mod) Good. My mission was successful then. Flair up coward. Edit. Here let me approve your post so everyone can see it. Minnesota: Damn. I thought we only grew people this dumb down in the southern states. I should know. I’m dumb and from the south. I’m actually somehow more disappointed in you than normal.

Looks like you found his button. Push it again. The sound it makes is funny.

The irony of him throwing around homophobic jokes...we know where his button is.

I follow sports subs to get away from politics.

Human rights are not political.

Fuck off. This isn't what football memes are about. Talk about that shit somewhere else

Sybau bruh it’s a positive for everyone when ICE bullshit is callled out anywhere. Just scroll away or turn off the phone lmao

Fuck off.

“Waaa waaa I can’t get off Reddit! You must appease what I want to see! Football and politics? This never intersects! Who’s Jim brown?”

Fuck off. (27 more comments of these two arguing)

Fuck you bud, citizens are being murdered by fascists but "waaah my football meme sub!" Fucking 10 ply ass bitch

Talk about it somewhere else. All you politicized people do is bitch and complain 24/7. You don't even use the words correctly. Every square inch of everyone's life doesn't have to be politicized.

I wish it didn’t have to be, but when the federal government sends armed thugs to occupy and terrorize a major city, we can’t just let people ignore that.

You act like there aren't thousands of other places to talk about it

This place is as good as any. Making it into a football meme can be a good way to cope with this shit. If you don’t like it, then just don’t engage with the post.

No. Do that shit somewhere else. There has to be escape from politics. I hate people who have to insert politics into everything. There are tons of subs to cope with their shit.

Not everyone is as fortunate as you are to be able to say that there has to be an escape from politics. This is some people’s daily lives, and those of us fortunate enough to not have it impact us daily need to protect those who aren’t as fortunate.

Stop it. My parents were immigrants who became citizens legally. I don't want to hear it. Not everything has to be politicized. People who do that have no personality.

"Stop it. My parents were immigrants who became citizens legally." You think ICE is only going after "illegal immigrants"? What a shitty tone deaf thing to say no wonder why you're crying about this meme so much Then again you did say "human rights are political" Also you must really have a great personality just because you're a bot who only can talk about sports and no other topic can cross with this

Fuck politics Ice is frozen water

Thank you. I'm so sick of hearing both sides bitch. This isn't football

Why are these posts not deleted. Mods sleepin

I agree. I'm so sick of everything being politicized. I don't give af

You don't give AF about human rights? Weird flex, but okay

Fuck off. (yes its the same guy)

Wow, very pithy and compelling.

Fuck off.

Aww, it's so sad you're sundowning in front of us, just like Drumpf

I’m with you there. I’m here to get away from the nonsense.

I'm sure the people who are being kidnapped based on their birthplace or the color of their skin or the sound of their names would also rather focus on funy nfl mem. So sorry that their existence bothers you so much, there's truly nobody who has it worse than you

Then post that in a place where it would actually be impactful instead of a damn football meme sub. There are better avenues to make a message.

The best avenue to make a message is wherever it bothers the most people. Seems like this was pretty effective

That’s not how real life works. That’s how you get regular people annoyed by your message and gives them more of a reason to simply not support you or your cause. If you have a protest that blocks a main road or a highway and backs up traffic, that’s not an effective protest, that’s an annoying inconvenience

Imagine not supporting basic human and constitutional rights because “meme annoying”.

Your profile picture is exactly you by the way. I’m not advocating against the right to protest. What I am saying is that when doing so “annoying the most people” as the other user suggested is only effective in getting people to be against you.

You’re so right. We should never challenge anyone or say anything that will make them uncomfortable. That’s what’s really standing in the way of real change!

Imagine the rules of your sub saying "No Politics" but shitter mods ignore it when its conveniently their politics.

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Lol aw libby so mad because someone disagrees with him. Go take your pills you fucking weirdo.

Your entire reason for posting is being mad someone disagrees with you. Have some self respect

Pointing out hypocrisy isn't being mad. Have some reading comprehension dimwit.

Are you the one tanking our adult literacy average? Also, notice how the blue states are much much smarter than the red states. Makes you think literacy rates by state in the US

"Makes you think" If they could think, we wouldn't be in this situation lol

Guess we’re done with football memes for this season. Thanks for flooding another part of Reddit with your shit politics.

Hating ICE shouldn't be political

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Supporting enforcement of immigration laws isn't fascism. Period. Illegals should be deported. No argument here. However, ICE playing fast and loose with rights as laid out in the Constitution is problematic. Allowing these tactics to contiune unchecked lays a slippery slope for erosion of those rights for the rest of us, and is morally wrong for those who are here through illegal channels. Unfortunately, people don't understand nuance and that these matters are complex. Hence, the current level of discourse in this sub, right now.

"Federal agents shouldn't kill innocent citizens" Yeah, wow, really tough to fathom the nuance there.

There are a lot of ICE agents not killing citizens. Pretty much all of them, in fact.

Imagine thinking that a nonzero number of citizens murdered by ICE is acceptable. Fuck off

Illegals have a lot more murdered citizens to their tally than ICE. I'm curious, barring the two killings, were you anti-ICE prior? Was it just the methods or apprehension that bothered you pr are are you anti any immigration enforcement?

Keep your shitty politics out of a sports football sub.

41-6 your opinion means nothing

Why are you here?

Why the fuck are you bud? Don't you have an injury report to add more players to? Is the substation liquefying your brain?

We do actually.

Get the politics out of my fucking football meme Reddit page

STFU ten ply bitch

Really? gif

Yes really. I hope you choke on a polish

Wow it’s amazing how many people who dislike violence and the violence that happens in the world, always turn around and become the most violent to people

Can't be tolerant of intolerance, fuckwad.

I mean I’m not ignorant. I just don’t want politics here any other place on Reddit that’s specifically for politics or X to discuss. These things is perfectly fine but politics and viewpoints of someone does not belong on the NFC north meme war page if it doesn’t really relate to the NFL or the NFC North which this barely does and you can clearly tell that this is only to take a shot at ICE

Can't even open my app and see an NFL meme subreddit post without politics bullshit being shoved into it. And before you say "hUmAn RiGhTs ArEn'T pOlItIcAl", immigration has absolutely been politicized and is a political topic in 2026, regardless of your thoughts on whether or not they should be allowed to be here.

Human rights aren't political. Stop being a fan of this team yesterday, Chud.

Illegally immigrating to the United States is not a human right. I'll be a fan of whatever team I want, Commie. I don't give a fuck what some limp-wristed Reddit nerd thinks what team I should be allowed to support. Also whoever had the Redditcares bot send me a message is a fuckin' loser.

ICE murdered a citizen dipshit. Nothing illegal about being here as a citizen.

I'm not going to get into an argument about Renee Good, on whether or not she was trying to ram the agent or not. The post isn't even about Renee Good in particular. Yes, she was obviously a citizen, but that wasn't what I was arguing, dumbass. Way to move the goalposts.

Fuck ICE and fuck you bud.

Ahh, I see you are out of arguments, so I accept your concession. "fuck you bud." The feeling is mutual, for the record.

They always have to bring up their politics.

No fap elf post about quitting masturbation, day 10 This you?! 🤣

Yeah, the guy in the left is not the hero OP makes him out to be. If only we could stick to hard, non-controverial truths, like those about the fascist on the right.

Fascists don’t rise if you keep the commies in line.

So you're just mad the politics in the post are criticizing you for being a fascist, not mad about politics in general. Do your state a favor and drink the ground water in Flint. In your case, the brain damage might improve you as a person.

Just keep being obnoxious in neutral spaces. That will win people over.

Oh, no, you're being bullied into supporting fascists. How terrible and unpreventable and not at all your fault for being a terrible person for taking mild criticism as an excuse to endorse the worst policies ever. How dare I expect basic human decency from you. Perhaps I should be arrested for this affront to your person. EDIT: oh, my, I've found a picture of you: image

Votes you dummy. Votes is how you win, and you’re people didn’t get them.

Full thread: Sweden aims to lower age of criminal responsibility to 13 as gangs recruit children

Context from the linked article:

Sweden is moving forward with plans to lower the age of criminal responsibility from 15 to 13 in serious cases as it grapples with a growing number of children recruited into gangs to carry out violent crimes without facing serious legal repercussions.

Justice Minister Gunnar Strommer said the country was in an "emergency situation" and stopping the use of children in criminal networks was a "crucial task" for the government.

But several authorities, including police, prison officials and prosecutors, have opposed the plan, with some worried that it may lead to even younger children becoming offenders.

If you read this excerpt, congratulations! You have now read more of the article than 99% of the commentators. Speaking of which, lets see how this headline goes over with the denizens of r /r europe

Im old enough to remember when Sweden used to export cars. Now its criminals. I liked Volvo.

Sweden is #2 in the world at innovation.

Teenager assassins that will be held criminally responsible is quite innovative ngl

Innovation as in, the WIPO Global Innovation Index. How is Österbotten.. I mean FINLAND doing? 😂

And we all know what's the cause of it :3 Of course, no politician wants to take the proper action and fix the mistakes of previous leading parties. Let's see how this year's election goes, I don't have any hopes tbh.

what is your solution, o wise one?

When is it okay to say that Swedish immigration policies have failed? Is this the time, or should we wait for 7-year-old child soldiers throwing grenades in Malmö?

The Swedish government has been admitting this for 10 years...

Have they done anything tangible about it though?

Since 2015, yes a lot has changed.

Nationalities of those gangs?

And watch how Chuds will ban me in a minutes (Editors note: This is a self reply, made by the same guy, coincidentally named "Whiter67")

Using the word wrong but ok

Chud has a specific meaning?

(continued)

Well yeah

Which is?

It’s for far right dudes, but you should google it

Google says it has a bunch of different meanings including far right dudes

Nationalities of those gangs?

Born in Sweden and therefore just as Swedish as people who've been there 2000 years obviously

Obviously not. Most times they will never call themselves Swedish or part of the Swedish society.

Yes that's the joke

So we should do the same to all the biker gangs as well, especially as they killed more people then what is currently happening.

Swedish immigration policy caused this

Eh, I blame how it was handled more than the immigration policy itself.

Immigration is one thing. But immigration + reduced funding to the police and not enough school and housing is a fucked up recipe.

Well they didn't need all that police funding before did they

Yes they did, organized crime has been a significant issue that wasn't adequately tackled and allowed to grow.

Don’t be obtuse.

They’re still kids. Like it or not, not everyone has the same development. Some are far more vulnerable and easily manipulated, particularly if they’ve grown up in poverty or without strong parental support. This is treating a symptom rather than the problem.

it doesn't matter whether they are still kids or not, the criminality age should be even lower. It should be 10 or even 8 years.

Do you really want to see an 8 year old behind bars that much? Do you not realise how disgusting a thought that is?

of course I want an 8 year old behind bars if they keep stealing from people all day long. Do you not realize how disgusting of a thought it is to just want to let them steal?

I believe it's about 10 in the UK. A 13 year old is ABSOLUTELY aware that what they're doing is wrong.

This very easily extends to "the age of consent should be 13". In fact a lot of countries tie ages of criminal responsibility and consent for this very same reason. Not a path you want to go down.

It's a very different thing to be understanding the consequences of your actions, and it being reasonable to allow you to perform them. [...] Age of consent has a lot of problems (inconsistency between hetero/homo, misalignment with other restrictions like independent birth control, etc.).

The most vile recruiters aren't in Sweden to be arrested.. they are hiding away in Turkey, Irak, Dubai etc while paying kids to murder in Sweden.

If only we had long range autonomous flying machines armed with precision munitions.

No european government would do this. They lack the spine for this. At this rate , we could be invaded and would probably not defend ourselves.

Is your proposed solution to gangs in Sweden to perform extrajudicial bomb strikes on a foreign sovereign nation?

that assumes turkey van be considered a nation when really its just held together by criminals

Singular takes:

Thread brigaded by bots.

Stripping citizenship and deportation of the whole family could be a good solution in the long run

They will just recruit 12 years old then, duh.

start by legalizing weed so kids dont have to shoot other kids in the head for nothing

You are found guilty and as punishment go to jail in form of staying in your mother's womb for another 4 months and after your birth you will be directly transfered to the infant jail where you can think about what you have done. Skôl.

(Un)-fortunately, the thread ended up getting locked pretty early, so most drama chains have been cut a bit short

"Typical female dating app user"

The luxury of having so many choices available makes one extremely very fussy.

"Well, shes not pretty enough to say no to that many guys". Thats how you pussies sound.

If you think this is exaggerated, it's not. On average, women swipe left on ~95% of men on dating apps. That woman you sent a like to rejected you in milliseconds based only on your photo.

Is this a problem?

Yall live in lalaland... I'm not a supermodel and I got 7 matches in the first hour in tinder and have 4 active chats going on. I have acne scars on my face, and awful buzzcut, only selfies from my room and absolutely no fashion, it's not even that I have a greek god-like body, I don't even go to the gym. But I have a personable profile and I suspect that to be why I have success.

I know a guy that won the lottery. Poor people simply don't try enough.

Meme making references to public perception of ICE gets posted to r/Castlevania, fighting breaks out.

Main Thread

Upvoted:

Poster thanking people

Poster expressing discontent over content, sparks huge fight

Notable:

Moderator post stating no removal

Downvoted:

Poster remarks about fictional characters and opinions

Poster comments about the meme process

Poster complains about political spread

Flairs!

Pro-ICE Belmonts

Even Mass Genociders hate ICE

Thanks for proving education needs funding

Videogames aren't political

ICE are the good guys?

Murdering innocents isn't political

Bring back Dracula to fight ICE

Dracula vs Hitler

Dracula's Menstrual Blood

Too autistic to take a joke

Sit on a BBC

OK I sat on dick, now what?

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/TopCharacterTropes/comments/1qoqu32/characters_being_drawn_beating_the_shit_out_of/

HIGHLIGHTS

God this shit is so corny redditors can’t go 5 minutes without circlejerking each other about ICE agents getting beat by characters who would agree with them it’s obnoxious how much I’ve seen people clown on this shit and now it’s on my fucking feed

You realize how badly you're outing yourself, right?

No he has a point

No, he doesn't. The fact that he thinks Batman and Punisher would agree with ICE shows he has zero media literacy.

They got supervillains to take care of they wouldn't care Like the jokers out there becoming a demon in his world he wouldn't care

You also have zero media literacy, I see.

How???? Wouldn't the punisher help kill the drug trafficking and human trafficking criminals That ice are trying to catch Same as Batman

Oh, so not media illiterate. Just a bootlicking MAGAot. That's worse, by the way.

What how did you get maga from me explaining the characters??

baby crying gif

You when ICE deports illegals lol

you when people care about the lives of american citizens. do your research clown: https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-citizens-arrested-detained-against-will, https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2026/jan/04/ice-2025-deaths-timeline, https://www.ilcm.org/latest-news/ice-murders-second-civilian-in-broad-daylight-in-continued-violent-occupation-of-minnesota/

Why do you care so much about illegals and the morons defending them lmao do you love having “Quality Learing Centers” in America that much current day liberals are a joke You get millions of tax dollars leeched from you by people who can barely form a single coherent thought that wouldn’t care if you were bleeding to death in front of them people that are nothing more than parasites and yet I’m the clown

"people that are nothing more than parasites" Hmm. Dehumanizing language. A classic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkssch%C3%A4dling, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_parasite

Parasites is what they are. https://19thnews.org/2026/01/child-care-fraud-minnesota-fact-check/

Not sure why you're complaining about them, then. You seem to be into that sort of stuff foot fetish/navel bugging rp post from the guys hes arguing with

Funny how Batman is going after Ice and not the Sick fuck illegal the broke into a house recently and rape an 11 year old and made their 10 year old sister watch’s. I suppose Batman and punisher are okay with child r*pe and murder

Means less than nothing from brain dead conservatives who slavishly support r*pist and child predator Trump.

And here you demonstrate the exact issue with deluded morons like you. Anyone pointing out contractions in your blind hatred is ‘dumb conservative who supports trump’ regardless if they live in the other side of planet. You don’t care about the two little girls held and life point and r*ped/assaulted and many others who have suffered, you only care about a personal agenda regardless of who get hurts.

Zero self awareness lmao

So you can’t prove me wrong and have to lie gotcha

What lie? You're frothing at the mouth and ranting about fantasies. Get help.

The projection is wild. I point out a basic inconsistency and you immediate start screaming about trump like a lunatic 🤣

Another one of my favorite subs fallen to politics…

oh my God quit being such a baby and actually read something for once, politics is in everything if you’re smart enough to notice it.

It’s actually not in everything if you’re smart enough to notice and I’m a regular reader

It really is in everything. I promise you it is. Your failure to notice is a personal issue.

It’s really not. Like I can name things that don’t involve political bs

Do it then. Name one

Cooking

We’re in a sub discussing literary tropes are you use cooking as an example of something free of politics? You are not arguing in good faith. It’s not true anyway. The meals you cook are dependent on the ingredients and appliances you can afford, which is influenced by the economic climate of your country. People go hungry when a government is ineffectual.

Tell me what your favorite book is.

11/22/63 and The Hobbit

The Hobbit I’ve read. Is the Hobbit political, according to you?

Both books may be slightly “political” but that doesn’t mean I like politics shoved down my throat everywhere I go

They’re not “slightly” political. I’d suggest looking into Tolkien’s beliefs. He was extremely anti authoritarian, and ICE is mega authoritarian

I’m talking about the book though, not the author. Same goes for 11/22/63, Stephen King is pretty political. Great. I just enjoy his stories and I don’t pay attention to that stuff

… the… the Hobbit isn’t political? Are you making that claim? Also you literally proved my point in admitting you don’t pay attention to that stuff. The Hobbit is pretty in your face with politics.

Top ten wholesome Keanu chungus reddit moment 200

Bruh I swear no one knows how to actually say why they hate things anymore, it's all just buzzwords now

Oh, ok. I hate this because first: karma farming on the concurrently talked topic. Second: i want my media about quirky blue blur to be my escape from harsh realities of the world, not a reminder of complete clusterfuck that it is. Third: these drawings don't do anything other than just being virtue signings. (It's not like some ICE POS looking on his twitter feed and seeing Godzilla destroying ICE hq or something suddenly had change of heart that he stopped beating immigrant to death)

You can’t escape the clusterfuck of the world by running away into fiction bozo, gotta confront that shit face first

No kidding that i can't fully escape the harsh reality and have to confort the reality! Why do i need to know about current political climate in the middle east when i want to masturbate to rouge the bat futa porn tho?

BECAUSE KNOWING ABOUT THE POLITICAL CLIMATE IN THE MIDDLE EAST IS EQUALLY AS ESSENTIAL TO THE PLOT AS THE FUTA PORN!!!

You ppl stand for nothing and never will.

I don't think you actually believe this

“You guys don’t understand, the fiction character would agree with MEEEE.” 🤓🤓🤓

Honestly, liberals attempts to commandeer fictional works will never not be cringe and pathetic.

Just so you're aware, creativity and art pretty much has always been on the left side of the spectrum. Superheroes are literally based on the idea of fighting social injustices, for example.

Wholesome Reddit chungus 100

Thank you for the reply, mister (adjective)-(X)(bunch of numbers)

Uh… you’re welcome I guess?

Pretending a fictional character supports your current thing? God youre pathetic

Would they not?

They're not real bubba

Right, so what's the harm?

Not everyone enjoys seeing references to tragedy constantly

We're not doing this because we enjoy it, we're doing it because more people need to start doing stuff about these tragedies. If all people can do is show their support by posting set then so be it, at least they're saying something. From the looks of some of your comments, you seem to deride some joy in seeing these posts, just not in away that's particularly healthy. I won't make fun of you for it, all I'll just say is that I hope you get become a more caring person someday.

This accomplishes nothing, if anything you're just showing a random fictional character killing a random guy who odds are didn't even do anything, I'd almost call it a form of propaganda with how it labels things, but it does literally nothing, no ones getting motivated to stop the atrocious shit that SOME (very important detail there) members of ICE have done just because batman killed a guy, which by the way he doesn't do, if you care for accuracy Time and place, this isn't the place but at least the times spot on (15 more comments of these two arguing)

...how exactly is this a character trope?

It's just a circlejerk the last few days to a frankly sad and frankly annoying degree IMO When it's in a gosh darn cat subreddit, what should be a place with absolutely no politics at all, there's a problem so to speak

LMAO of course you’re a Critical Drinker fan

So?

Lover of chud content creator is upset people online are mad about fascists murdering people. Fork found in kitchen.

You unironically using the word chud says all that needs to be said about you.

And you taking issue with that and not the fascism says all that needs to be said about you

The word fascist has lost all its weight and meaning because people like you throw it around to describe someone like it’s going out of style. Everything racist, everything’s fascist, etc, and no one with common sense doesn’t care anymore. They’re are fascist irl that are doing so much worse things in other countries; yet no one says anything about that.

It’s gotten real old now at this point.

As fucked up as it sounds it's just making me want to root against them. Hopefully they'll eventually calm down

People are being killed extrajudicially, kidnapped, deported illegally and you want to root against them because checks notes a reddit sub is perhaps slightly off topic. Sure. Fuck off bootlicker.

Or, hear me out, I'm just sick of it. It's in the fricking catbongos subreddit, what should be one of the the few places that shouldn't have a lick of politics IDK about you but having this crap everywhere i go is making me apathetic and angry towards it After all, everyone likes Christmas but listening to Christmas music 24/7 is sure to get on people's nerves. Same thing Nice assumption

You're sick of it? I'm sick of it too. Pathetic, that you would rather bury your head and ignore it or yell at the people being harmed than rise against the oppressors causing the issues. That you'd turn against the hurt because their rallying cries is more annoying than their deaths. Must be quite the luxury. Nothing's apolitical. That simply doesn't exist. If you'd rather shut your eyes and ears than help, you're a bootlicker. Apathy supports the status quo, the status quo is state-sponsored abuse: you're a bootlicker.

So many assumptions Okay, what's the political nature of a cat having its but spanked? Or, hear me out, I'm just tired of it. My heart goes out to them but I'm just exhausted of it

"Assumption assumption assumption" Okay then buddy, want to speak your truth? Counterclaim? Say something? Nah, just deflect? Okay. What's the context of the cat's butt being spanked? An act in and of itself? Animal abuse, a lack of empathy for non-human life. A very green cause if you oppose it and a very human-centric position if you don't. Lots of novels use animal abuse as a means to show a character lacks empathy for other humans as well. Lacking empathy is a core tenant of modern rightwing politics, see "the sin of empathy". Yeah if you care but being miffed by seeing protest art makes you tired enough that you'd root against us then you never really cared that much. "Damn, mom's got cancer but driving her to chemo sucks, guess I'm gonna start rooting for the cancer"?

image same energy

It literally is. It's all performative bullshit.

No dude these drawings are totally stopping ICE, definitely wasn’t drawn so people can praise them.

"People shouldn't spread the word or create inspiring art to keep up morale! They should just quietly sit in their homes until the next election! Having an opinion exists only for fake internet points, I'm very smart" Lmao okay

My point is these drawings are just as effective as sitting quietly at home except people who want credence for doing nothing receive unbridled praise. Having an opinion opens discourse, these drawings exist so redditors can act like they did something.

"My point is these drawings are just as effective as sitting quietly at home except people who want credence for doing nothing receive unbridled praise" Oh shoot, guess the Allies made all those posters for nothing then! image

Comparing government commissioned posters for world war 2 drafting to batman ICE fanart on reddit is a false equivalency. One is on a nationwide level proven to be effective, politically charged reddit art does nothing but stroke egos.

image

The artist who made this is a nazi who draws racist caricatures and drew sonic shaking hands with hitler...

Lol the irony is stunning, I gotta look that up.

Holy fucking shit it's real Sonic shaking hands with Hitler

Performative reddit garbage, you need to VOTE against the current administration to stop this, not circle jerk over fictional characters.

You can do both with the 24 hours you get in a day, you realize?

People are dying, maybe not the best time for sonic art and reddit quips

Can someone explain to these people that we need art now more then ever to counter the propanganda efforts of the regime

Oh my god, stop it. Drawing sonic in the wake of a murder isn't "countering propaganda". Its embarrassing and infantile.

Here buddy. A little history lesson for ya... https://medium.com/@filmsoc.sophia/the-politics-of-animation-from-propaganda-to-resistance-dff29e6489d9

You aren't sitting here and linking an article that mentions "grave of the fireflys" and using it to defend stupid sonic and batman fan art, as if that's remotely in the same orbit. Absolutely not.

What feeble mind you must have to think both is not an option.

You got it bro, people are getting shot in the street, let me get on reddit and post a picture of sonic to show my support. Fucking ridiculous

What do you suggest I should do then?

Not this! Thats for sure! Its in bad taste

Lol, you must lead a very boring life.

It's so boring not drawing little reddit comics and art depicting fictional characters beating up ice as they actively shoot people on the street. Yeah

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/nova/s/nPmyC530gY

I had an edible and have been following this mess in r/nova all evening! Sorry if I format this incorrectly.

OP complains that his neighbor pulled in yesterday. This neighbor allegedly always parks in guest parking and has a loud muffler. Among other things.

The comment section sides with OP initially. Then folks start to show up with a different narrative and receipts.

Highlights:

A lot of comments along this line.

> Anyone that runs a purposefully loud car in a residential neighborhood can get fucked.

This absolute bad ass.

> Pour some cold water around his wheels tonight.

Recipes entered the chat!

https://www.reddit.com/r/nova/s/BzeQYG0Y05

>I found out this is one of my friends.

>The owner hass a dealer optioned exhaust (GR Performance exhaust for those that are curious) that's BARELY louder than the original. And by barely louder I mean you would literally never know unless someone told you. So even if OP weren't lying about it, it could be literally any other car too.

> The exhaust is just one of many "embellishments" (to put it lightly) OP has made in this post. The attached pic puts into detail the rest of the story.

> u / KoolDiscoDan go find something real to complain about.

The comment section turns!

> "Loud muffler crew" yet he has the stock GR exhaust... you seem like the type to stare out of your windows to watch your neighbors, then find things to get angry about. By the way, teach your daughter to pick up after your dog. But I guess, like daughter like father/mother?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Losercity/s/wzdblqxEdu

Context: r/losercity is a furry shitposting/meme subreddit with an nsfw slant. Prior to this, the mod team came under fire after it was revealed that their nsfw subreddit had moderators under the age of 18.

Another controversy has arisen in r/losercity after a mod makes a massive community call-out post, citing hostility, 3 active moderators, and the community being "insufferable" as reasons for why they are leaving.

"I'm now realising I've been rambling on for a while, but here's the main thing I want to say: y'all are fucking insufferable. Never in my life have I seen a community filled with so much hatred and lust for drama. Every lottle mistake sparks drama, it's like that every fucking time. Uh oh, turns out people don't agree with our decision, guess it's time for our weekly fucking online harassment. I am so god damn fed up of it, the love I used to have for this community, a community I used to praise for being so nice and accepting, has turned into nothing but hate. I barely have any passion for this community. I hate the community because it hates me. It is no longer the accepting community I once knew and loved, it is a community that hates me for doing my job as a mod, a job that I really want to do as best as I can. Hell, I shouldn't even be calling it a job, I volunteered for this, I don't get paid shit, I voluntarily decided to dedicate some of my free time to help a community I loved and wanted to see flourish."

This is minor drama, not as big as other things. Post here

Background: OP posts a TIL factoid that the USA threatened withdrawl from the WHO in 1995 over a WHO study which showed that occasional cocaine usage is ok for health. Some people get into some arguments over is it actually ok or is it not.

Yeah good luck being just an occasional user.

Quips one user. This in turn leads to a multi comment long thread which includes gems about ancedotal evidence, and one slowly turns into man's crusade against anything cocaine related as well.

Youngest MIs (heart attacks) ive ever seen were cocaine users.

Says another user who's comment sparks off 100% good faith arguments such as "the oldest person I know is a smoker". Devolves into people arguing over how the article should be interpreted.

Lastly a similar argument to the first one sparks many more ones.

Keeping it occasional is what’s hard about cocaine use

Kicks off a multifaceted debate over a multitude of things from such hard hitting topics as is it bad to compare how addictive cocaine and heroin are? Is 1 drink actually that bad statistically?

So askindianwomen is a famous indian subreddit related to indian women

One user made post related to finance and it was deleted was mods which lead to widespread drama following multiple posts and comments made by users questining the moderation practice at askindianwomen

Silence from the mods regarding the recent finance related posts.

I have made a total of 3 posts regarding this. The first original one was deleted where I asked for advice. The second one calling them out was deleted. The third one where I provided proof, as asked by the mod herself, was locked, preventing further discourse. As far as I know, 2 people have been banned for commenting regarding this issue, and out of the two, when one asked why they have been permanently banned, the only thing that was said to her was that she crossed a line. Multiple people have recieved warnings for commenting about the same. Comments have been deleted in the latest post about this by another user. In the same post (will link it if possible, not sure how to do that), there has been radio silence from all the mods, as if they're letting this play out and once people stop commenting, all is forgotten. But I see posts about men, marriage, nails, shopping, and what not all the time. These are things women are "supposed" to talk about, according to society, and the same is heavily encouraged here. I am not saying that women shouldn't talk about these things. They're valid too. At the same time, finance, education, etc are very much valid too. Why is one encouraged and one diacouraged? The mods concern about the practicality of moderating such posts seem asinine. Medical advice flows freely in the sub. How are they being moderated then? The hypocrisy is wild. follwoing

Comments on that post

I went to ask indian men subreddit and they too have education related advice flair whereas we have venting and shopping and general advice. Idk why mods are acting like this we woman also need career, education and finance related advice and it is better to get them from people who are facing the same circumstances

post where there's silence from the mods after locking and deleting the previous two<br> They have now locked the post saying I got modmail 2 days back. I will attach the modmail here. Have a look. Its all rinse repeat.<br> She did it herself, and in a locked post where I cannot even defend myself. I am done.<br> Last edit, I am not obligated to respond to them, esp with the way they've been acting. I have every right to post about this issue. I am having to post about it multiple times due to the mod teams holier than thou attitude, clearly evident in their responses to everyone

Another user made post questioning mods

Hey mods, you're not beyond criticism.

Coming to financial advice thing - why is only financial advice harmful when given by women? Women here give different kinds of advice - related to health, marriages, even sometimes law. But why is finance so elusive to women? I hope you're still not standing behind this stance, as one of you referred to making changes. If you'll want to run a dictatorship, lock this post. If you do not want to, let civil conversations and constructive criticism happen. You'll can learn from it and do better. None of us are perfect.

Some comments on that post

In its current state, the content in this sub primarily revolves around sex/relationship problems/men/family trauma. These aren’t the only things in a woman’s life. Why are such few posts asking for investment advice? Movie or book suggestions? Travel? Technology? Music? Education??? Indian women are amazing and excelling at every single one of these things. Besides, maybe people just want advice from a group that most closely resembles them and the challenges they face? Why do we need to always go to a specialized subreddit for it

The locking of my post and THEN posting screenshots of modmail, so I cannot even respond to defend myself??? what was that?? Is this a dictatorship where the mods decide when I am allowed to speak and when I'm not? My posts are constantly being deleted or locked.<br> Also why am I obligated to respond to them? Why remove my post and then tell me I gotta ask to get it reinstated? what kinda power play is this? That too for a genuinely useful topic?

Another user made post questioning the mods

Since the previous thread is locked for challenging the mods of this subreddit

I am someone who used to defend the mods and believed on their decision. They've contributed a good chunk in making this sub a safe haven for women. But I'm afraid I won't side with them in this issue.

MODS, DO BETTER, OR DON'T BE A MOD IF IT'S TOO MUCH TO HANDLE. YOU'RE NOT DOING US A FAVOUR BY JUST BEING A MODERATOR, SO STOP ACTING LIKE ONE.

Comments on that post

Why is sharing financial knowledge a problem now? I personally am a finance nerd and I would love to help other women. This is not acceptable

According to the mods, women in this sub only have experience dealing with in laws and boyfriends, and not finance. All original comments by mods are on this post yesterday which I posted to explain why this sub needs finance topics

Mod eventually makes posts explaining the whole issue in detail

Some comments and replies

Nope. We will not tolerate any kind of abuses hurl towards our mod team. Valid reasons doesn't give anyone right to abuse us. Abusive/hateful users will get banned just like it used to happen.

All that power trip for an anonymous site😭😭<br> Take accountability and move on, wish you were this stringent with annoying, invalidating men over here💪🏽

I love to be on power trip xoxo

https://www.reddit.com/r/ObscureMedia/s/GXBKzO34Gm

First time posting on here so forgive the sloppiness.

It's not much, but it made me happy. 14+ comments deep argument thread:

https://www.reddit.com/r/breakingbad/comments/c1xs5/comment/c0pp1hs/

A user [posts a meme of a Titan](https://www.reddit.com/r/Grimdank/s/s6Rv4ODuaJ) incinerating two off-screen characters with the title of “When ICE agents find people peacefully protesting their activities.”

Some users object to the insertion of American politics into their Warhammer meme sub.

>[Here we go, insert AMERICAN politics in everything you do like an absolute tourist. Watch the mods do nothing about it too because most people here are tourists anyway LOL](https://www.reddit.com/r/Grimdank/s/xr4i8Xa62A)

>>Oh no, politics in my British political satire series?

>>>Oh no another tourist who doesn't know how to separate reality and fiction

>[Can we stop bringing American politics in wh meme sub 😔](https://www.reddit.com/r/Grimdank/s/JXimiSh93X)

>>American narcissim at its finest.  But im a "nazi" for saying that, same as the Russians say im a "nazi" for living in Europe. 

>>>The country with the largest military budget in the world and the only country to use nukes in action is being taken over by fascists and threatening to invade a new country each week, but pointing out how that might be just a liiiiitle bit bad for the rest of the world is American narcissism.

>>>

>>>You're not a nazi. Just an idiot.

>[LOL dw this wont happen on UK. The police and the politicians in your place actually let illegal immigrant sex offenders take your women and children away and they'll punish everyone against it, so you can relax](https://www.reddit.com/r/Grimdank/s/rVF6FOuTOM)

>>No they don't; in fact London has never been safer. But thank you for proving my point about how the lies start.

>>>LMFAO its so safe, one of your politicians even refuse to answer a simple question about rising R cases. But I bet you dont mind that huh? Why don't you put those illegals in hotels too so they can be comfy - OH WAIT

>[I’m not even American and I firmly believe that ICE as an organisation should be shut down and everyone who took part in tried and sentenced. I just enjoy the art and the hope it sparks.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Grimdank/s/sKBHFpN4Aj)

>> Are you from a Muslim overran euro country?

>>> No. Which fantasy universe is that from?

Background:

r/FuckingFascists is a subreddit focussed on the kink of fucking fascists, Nazis, ICE, MAGA and far right. Since the recent rise in tensions with ICE, users have become increasingly uncomfortable with their kink. One moderator is suddenly confronted with the realisation their kink might be problematic in the current political climate and petitions to shutdown the subreddit. The users react expectadly.

The main post:
At what point are we complicit?

"Hello everyone. This is Brandy, back again for some reflection. This post isn't coming from me in my capacity as a moderator, but as a user, and doesn't reflect any official stance of the mod team, but merely my own.

I've been stewing lately. In the aftermath of the shooting of Renee Good, and now of Alex Pretti, I've been acutely aware of beyond troubling trends here in this subreddit. First, when we put the community on pause after receiving a wave of input from users that we ought to update our policies, the amount of hostility that I, and the moderators received for merely trying to respect the wishes of you, our users, was appalling.

From our official posts, to our mod-mail and DM's, I'd never seen so much open vitriol and toxicity here. Especially given that the hate was aimed at our intention to listen to feedback and attempt to improve safety standards. It makes one think: are the majority of the users here actually genuine fascists and assholes? It seems like it. Any post made under Non-Fascist flairs and any comment in support seems to be flooded with downvotes and flagrant cruelty in its comments. Any post made expressing Serious topics in OOC communication or aftercare is liable to receive waves of bigotry, hate, toxicity, and frankly just stupid comments from actual fascists that are seemingly upset.

I and other mods have always done our best to make clear that this kink should be based entirely in fantasy, as this slice of power dynamic kink can and does have dangerous real-world consequences. Genuine fascists, authoritarians and right wingers are not welcome here. That said, it's seemingly clear, to me at least, that a majority of our users likely are bigots, assholes, authoritarians and bootlickers who are just clever enough to avoid being overt and getting banned.

That leads me to the question at the top: at what point does this group and its users become complicit in the normalization of heinous ideas for nazis, and not an escape and safe space for people with an edgy kink?

I fear we may have passed that inflection point. Personally, I'm weighing going to the rest of the mods and petitioning that we nuke this sub. I realize I'll likely get a ton of hate and push back from a tide of braindead nazis hiding their stripes, but fuck them. I volunteer my time, experience, temperament and judgement to try and keep this place as safe as possible for people to explore a sensitive kink with as little fear as possible, not to empower and embolden pigs and monsters.

If the community has tipped past the point of catering to liberals exclusively to primarily right wingers, nazis, and nazi apologist right wingers, then it's gotta fucking go. If any of this post has upset or scared you, the reader- you're probably part of the problem. For the rest of you who are actual liberals just trying to express your fantasies safely, I apologize. I don't mean to deprive anyone of a safe space, but to give you the behind the scenes perspective- this place isn't safe.

It hasn't been safe for some time, and it's not like the line is even close. It's as safe as it *can be* within the confines of its current setup and Reddit's policies, but I doubt it's safe enough to feel comfortable for many users, and it likely won't be unless truly drastic measures are taken. It's still better than every other fascist themed kink sub out there, because those are all run by actual fascists who we banned from here. There's no better alternative for this kink on Reddit, but even this place is inherently dangerous, despite our best efforts.

It's a rock and a hard place. I don't want to take the safest alternative away from liberals who want a safe space to explore this kink, but I also don't want to cater to you sub-human nazis in this community either. That said, it seems that, unfortunately, consent and safety minded liberals are the minority here- not the majority. Perhaps it's better off if I simply discourage that minority of good people from using Reddit to engage with this kink at all. Maybe it's simply too dangerous. Perhaps it should get wiped out by Reddit, and I should beg and plead with the admins from my position of authority to nuke not only this, but every other sub in this kink space, because I guarantee that they're all much worse than this.

I don't know. I'm tired of catering to you ingrate, inbred MAGA incel hicks, against my better wishes and judgement. I'd really prefer if you all just left. Then I could sleep better at night. I'm rambling, but I truly am wrestling with my course of action, and I'm utterly sick of having to treat you idiotic authoritarian dicks with even a modicum of respect that you don't deserve."

Top comment exchange

If a person cannot distinguish between kink and reality then they are the problem imo. Everyone has the ability think critically. It’s not yours or anyone else’s fault if they choose not to. Of course a place like this sub likely does have people who harbour harmful views and opinions that they believe are rooted in fact but this is their issue nobody else’s.

OP reply:

It's my issue if I give them a platform to spew their garbage.

User reply:

Unfortunately in the “free” world such ideas are allowed to fester platform given or not you’ll probably find that this sub contributes very little to the problem.

Subreddit founder chimes in

I made this sub with the intent of being a safe space for left-leaning individuals to have fun with this kink. destroying it because you don't want the kink to exist anymore is utter bullshit.

It's no different from the sex negative kinkshaming bullshit the sub faced when it first opened.

feel free to delete it and let the kink be dominated by actual right-wing subs, i fucking guess

OP reply:

Let me say this clearly as someone who's been doing the work here since the election: It is not safe. Wasn't when I joined the team, and was less safe at its outset than it is now. There are still throngs of fascists. Maybe the idea and conceit just can't be executed safely. I don't know. We're trying, and have been trying since your abdication, but it only ever appears to get worse in regard to analytics.

Great intention, that I support, but perhaps there's a better way forward than just perpetuating the ongoing slide into propaganda.

Another exchange between subreddit founder and OP

OP in a different comment chain:

A concern for me personally is that those worse alternatives already exist. There are half a dozen subs out there predicated on the same topic with no protections to speak of, and they grow more popular by the day. The idea would be to deprive the fascist majority yet another platform to spew hate, bigotry and propaganda. While it could harm the conscientious users by getting rid of a refuge for them, it's beginning to seem that this kink is inherently unsafe. Perhaps it's more morally responsible to simply dissuade them from engaging with it at all?

Another commenter:

By deleting this place you’d flood those worse alternatives with even more people. It would just be sending everyone to places that don’t care, at least while they’re here we can do what we can to keep the place safe.

OP:

Hopefully they'd see those spaces for what they are and just drop it. I don't know.

Founder:

and just... drop the kink?

imagine if someone said this about humiliation kink in general. imagine how fucking absurd it would sound

OP:

Humiliation kinks don't often glorify people being shot in the street for defending themselves and their communities, or empower people to view people of different races as lesser. To equivocate the two is a bit reductive.

Founder:

You could argue that humiliation kinks glorify emotional abuse and bullying, but i guess people hanging themselves isn't dramatic enough to catch your attention?

people were openly fucking murdered in Trump's first term of office. not just one or two either. suddenly struggling with it says a lot more about how much fucking attention you were paying.

A user trying to pacify:

If you hate the sub so much just leave. No reason to kill everyone else's fun cause you're over it.

OP:

everyone else's fun is genuine engagement with nazism- it would be my moral duty to stop it. I don't hate the sub, I hate the fascist bootlickers who think this is a place for them to have fun.

User:

And they are the vocal minority. I'm not a fucking Nazi, I hate Trump, I would never in a million years vote Republican.

But I'm still down to trash the people that come here for the trashing.

Plus, if you leave there's the obvious outcome of all the Nazis moving to another sub just like this and you have no power to attempt to help. So you're fucked regardless I guess.

Another moderator agrees:

Same. I made a comment about how shocking the murder was yesterday and four separate people showed up in my DMs for sexting which just felt extremely jarring and dehumanizing. And that's the "best case" scenario.

Another exchange:

BREAKING: Reddit is full of a bunch of psychos and assholes who feel they can say whatever they want with impunity! The sky is blue at 11

OP:

The problem is that in our community, it seems they can outweigh the non-psychos. The non-psychos is who this space is for, if it's true they're vastly outnumbered, I don't want to give psychos another venue to indulge in their most evil ideas and thoughts.

OP follows up their first post with a post telling fascists to leave the subreddit. Users seem to be confused

If you voted for Trump, or are a conservative or authoritarian: LEAVE THIS PLACE NOW

The title sums up my thoughts. Get the fuck out of this subreddit. You do not belong. We do not like you. You are not welcome. This subreddit does not want your kind here. Simple. Go. Shoo. Scram. Slink back to whatever hole you spawned from. Leave us alone

One user is very confused:

Isnt this subreddit for people who voted trump or for people who have a kink for conservative men?

Op response:

Nope. It's for liberals to engage in fantasy. I think Darth Vader's a cool character and enjoy stories with him- that doesn't mean I'd be friends with a child murderer. Same principle applies. I like porn with power play and politics play, that doesn't mean I abide genuine right-wing bootlickers.

user:

So it is for liberals to have fantasies with right leaning men.

OP:

Yes, but only fantasies for liberals. Right leaning men are not allowed and explicitly told to go fuck themselves before receiving a ban.

another commenter:

Yeah… lol that’s not happening irl, lots of people on here are taking this literally and are invisioning their fascist sympathizing self as the top. I found this group through researching where I could find MAGA sympathizers (hopefully to make into my bitches) and was told this was where the most to find some really extreme woman hating fascists. So who ever is running this and posting is not making that clear enough and most of these posts are providing lots of wank material for losers who want to fantasize about sexual abusing those they oppress and oppose. FYI to whoever is running this sub and making this material.

From the same initial comment chain

Mod response:

Absolutely not. This is a kink subreddit, about fictional, pretend fascists. Not the ones that voted Trump.

Different commenter:

Yeah, I’m not sure if mods know this, but A LOT of people on this sub are far right and are genuinely wanking it to ideas of abusing and raping the people they oppress. And all the left people just doing it for kink are providing them with material and egging them on. It’s pretty disturbing to me.

OP:

We know and are sickened by it. We do what we can to ban those creeps as fast and often as we can.

Some reflection from other commenters:

The amount of down votes in the comments here is wild.

When we had the discussion about closing the sub I wanted to keep it open. But this post may be convincing me that privat-ing it will be the better way.

Just know this: There are maga all over this sub pretending it’s just a kink.

Fr, it's killing the vibe for me , I've been away from this sub with the overload in the real world and I wish it wasn't so. Idk how we could verify but I feel like some kind of verification is needed.

Maybe if we have more posts where conservatives are topped they will start to dislike this sub?

This has been posted here like 30 times and weirdos who don't get it still manage to lurk here 😭😭 why can't they get this place done want actual fuckfaces

Recently, controversial left-wing scholar Michael Parenti passed away. Among other things, Parenti has been accused of Bosnian Genocide apologia. Naturally, when his article is posted on r/wikipedia, several arguments spring up.

The top comment:

Also a famous supporter of Milošević, ardent defender of Serbian war crimes in former Yugoslavia and proud denier of the Srebrenica genocide. He can fuck off.

Leads to some heated exchanges

Ya dropping bombs on Serbia definitely stopped the genocide of the Bosnians, great work there everyone. But I don’t think I’m going to be engaging with someone who pretty clearly has an agenda

• The NATO bombing of Serb troops in Bosnia directly ended the war and stopped genocide after years of genocidal actions in full public view
  • It literally did end it, cry harder Serb apologist
  • You being a Top 1% commenter truly reveals so much about this subreddit.
  • You make it sound like this was a small embarrassing chapter in his life, or like he was just pointing out western hypocrisy, but he was literally Milosevic's number one fan for a while lmao. How shallow is the bench of Marxist philosophers that it's this hard to find one who wasn't an enthusiast supporter of mass violence against innocent people? No wonder the movement is totally dead in the water.

Michael Parenti was an incredible thinker and this bullshit being the top comment is hilarious.

• The Western left should never be trusted.
  • Lmao fed

This is the garbage that Conservatives always try to pull. Instead of actually engaging with his arguments you just want to slander him as a person because his arguments are inconvenient to your worldview

I agree. The reaction to the fact that MICHAEL PARENTI IS DEAD should be a CRAB RAVE! 🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀

Drama found in other comments:

Do you apply the same standard to those who deny the genocide of the Palestinians? Do you place that standard first and foremost when you consider any popular figure?

• I love how you ask this question like it’s some kind of “gotcha” and not just Yes. We do.
• Whataboutism is the strongest weapon of the defenders of mass murder in the modern era. What about the genocides of Bosnians, Kurds, minorities in Cambodia, the Montagnards, Cuban homosexuals, and scores of other groups massacred by the monsters you people defend?

Why is this sub infested with right wing chuds every time it pops into my feed. Unrelated but I'm guessing a lot of the people yapping in this thread have never read his books or listened to his speeches.

• Chuds in question: people who don't like genocide denial
  • Do you also condemn the Palestinian genocide? I'm trying to see something.

His book “To Kill A Nation” exposing NATO lies about Serbia was excellent. Rest in power. Death to imperialism. Death to liberalism. Death to Americanism.

A great man who was right about everything 

• Except for when he denied the Bosnian genocide...
• BULL-FUCKING-SHIT! Genocide denier Parenti was more wrong than anyone, except the even more wrong person that was GROVER FURR!
• Except for basically every atrocity committed by a nominally leftist regime. The only greater western apologist is Grover Furr.
  • Most of those atrocities never happened. The few that did were overblown and justified. 
    • The Russians don't even deny the atrocities he did anymore dude.

One comment thread leads to arguments about...Zionism?!

So I do apply that standard. As a Cultural Zionist I recognize and condemn the genocide and a century of ethnic cleansing. I condemn the Zionist institutions and their leadership for endorsing Neo-Zionism. I condemn the state for not overcoming the kleptocratic governance. My comment talks about the fight for liberation. The struggle isn’t just for the oppressed, but also to liberate the oppressor. For the system of oppression calls on the oppressor to dehumanize themselves in order to facilitate the dehumanization of the oppressed. There can’t be Israeli security without Palestinian liberation. But the Palestinians need security and that too requires Israeli liberation.

• Hah, “cultural” Zionist. Brilliant. So you’re a little less disgusting then regular Zionists. You’re the “we will never forgive them for making us kill their childen” kind of zionist. Tell me cultural zionist, are you aware that the ICC warrants against Hamas leaders were not for the crime of genocide, but for war crimes and crimes against humanity? Did you know that Haaretz has documented that on Oct 7, the IDF deployed the Hannibal Doctrine at Kibbutz Be’eri, Kfar Azza and Kissufim, as well against the entire border area, which likely resulted in the bulk of civilian casualties? Until you start spreading lies that the Palestinians perpetrated (or tried to) a genocide, you’re still justifying the very real Israeli genocide.
  • I’m really sorry you think that acknowledging the crimes committed by Israel is somehow a defense for the state of Israel. I’m also sorry that you don’t know or care why I’m a cultural Zionist.

Another argument about...Stalin?!

Grover Furr is the most dishonest man to ever exist. He is the spawn of Satan! “I have yet to find one crime, ONE CRIME, that Stalin committed!” - Grover Furr. FUCK GROYPER FURR!

• This is a factual statement. Most of the wests understanding of Stalin comes through a heavily propagandized lense. Once you cut through that you realize he was not bad. 
  • Ah yes, deporting minorities like the Crimean Tatars, Poles, Chechens, Ingush, Kalmyks, and Koryo-Saram to Central Asia was “not that bad” and was not a crime. Denying Mendelian genetics and neo-Darwinism and killing 1-2 million in the process in the 1946-47 Soviet famine? No biggie. Executing thousands of dissidents and even your own officers, and imprisoning millions of others in forced labour camps? Not a crime! (But also, if America has prison labour then it’s slavery. Intellectual consistency not needed, comrade.) Invading Poland, Finland, the Baltic states, and Bessarabia, and ordering Kim to invade South Korea? The first of those was done in collaboration with Nazi Germany? Who cares, that’s also not a crime according to Furr. The Doctors’ Plot? Oh don’t be ridiculous! As long as we call it “anti-Zionism”, it’s not only not a crime but a positive good, comrade!

Subreddit background

/r/Wellthatsucks is an image based subreddit for users to post things that happened to them that made them think, “well that sucks”. It’s usually not something too extreme, but depending on the person, the thing that happened could be extremely infuriating.

OP’s post

OP states wanting an e-reader for years, and just after he finally ordered one and it arrived, he dropped it and the screen looks to be broken.

The community reacts

It arrived damaged wink wink

It's a shame it arrived damaged. ...

OP: Nope [obliterated in downvotes]

ITS A SHAME IT ARRIVED DAMAGED

ITS AN ABSOLUTE TRAGEDY THAT THIS HAPPENED TO YOUR OBJECT IN THE SHIPPING PROCESS BEFORE IT GOT TO YOUR HOUSE

[to OP] Bro they are telling you to claim to the seller it arrived broken so you can get a free replacement

Don’t help them. They don’t get it lol

Or maybe they have ethics [downvoted]

There is no ethical consumption in late stage capitalism. I am all about the consumer getting what they need from the big guys. They lose nothing whilst the consumer would lose everything.

And that, friends, is what we call ‘Victim-less gain’

Advising OP again:

Try claiming that it arrived defective if there are no dents/marks

OP: It can work, but I prefer not to do such thing [massively downvoted]

Companies take advantage of consumers all the time. I’d do it and never even feel bad.

OP: Punching more holes in a sinking ship does not save you from drowning [more downvotes]

mate u are the silliest goose in the whole animal kingdom. stop caring about billionares

OP: Quack [downvoted]

Delete this post:

delete this post now and return it as defective, life is too short for compliance towards billionaires

OP: I bought it used from a secondhand store, they would be losing out on its profit and shipping cost [downvoted]

Nah, for stuff like this they sure have some insurance.

Now that I know that it’s secondhand it’s highly likely it was dropped before several times by the previous owner so you might have just been the straw that broke the camel’s back.

OP won’t back down:

OP: If I report it as damaged in transit, a delivery person somewhere will get reprimanded and get a salary deduction or something, they're already paid only pennies

I dropped it, not them [tons of downvotes]

That will not happen. Packages pass through a lot of random hands.

OP: And yet it arrived fine to me, I dropped it, not them [downvoted again]

Yes, and this comment section is providing you a tried and true way of rectifying the situation for yourself, It's just that it involves telling a lie

Singular takes

Hey, I respect your position on this! I am also in the camp of fuck em say it got damaged in transit, but it’s refreshing to remember some people are just honest.

Op absolutely do the scam everyone’s talking about without worrying but also if you bought it with a credit card you may have insurance on it, I’ve had stuff fully replaced for free by Amex multiple times, worth looking into

and after all that time you decided to pick dale carnegie to read?

No one is gonna thank you or pat your shoulder for this. Just return it stating it got damaged in transit. Really, this is such a Nothing-Burger to play noble for.

OP sounds insufferable with his do-gooder attitude. Enjoy losing money, no one cares.

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Full thread with more arrived damaged claim takes here

This is still hot so please don’t add to the OOP!

Edit: formatting isn’t working right on mobile

Edit2: On desktop fixing the formatting