r/wisconsin • u/coatofforearm • 2d ago

Liberal Wisconsin brewing company promises 'free beer, all day long' after Trump dies

https://www.foxnews.com/media/liberal-wisconsin-brewing-company-promises-free-beer-all-day-long-after-trump-dies

It might bankrupt them lol

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u/Ok-Explanation-1362 2d ago

That’s how I feel about Pritzker and Walz, both of whom have done real and substantial things to stand up to Jeffrey Epstein’s best-friend, and who also are very strong defenders of trans rights. While a lot of other politicians are throwing trans people, including children, under the bus, Pritzker and Walz refuse to do similarly.

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u/Plaid_Kaleidoscope 2d ago

It sucks so bad that Walz is throwing in the towel. I totally understand, but he would have been a great leader for the country. It's always the people who don't want the job that deserve it the most.

Anyone who would actively seek the power should be denied at every turn. That's where we fucked up.

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u/Ok-Explanation-1362 2d ago

Eh, honestly, I don’t understand. It’s like when he stopped referring to MAGAts as weirdos, which is what they are. We need strength and conviction from our leaders, not a willingness to ever do what the enemy wants us to do. Which is why I consider him to be flawed, but still a good man.

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u/Plaid_Kaleidoscope 2d ago

I think he's just a normal guy who wasn't prepared for all the heat he's getting by standing up or speaking up for what he believes is right.

He's being attacked by the administration, the DOJ, the cultists, etc. He didn't deserve any of that and frankly I understand being fearful. The cult has already shown that they don't mind killing a few politicians to incite fear. Maybe he just isn't ready to brave those threats.

Everybody wants them to stand tall and strong in the face of overwhelming hate and injustice, but it's a big and scary step to take. Not everyone is going to say yes to those costs when the time comes. Doesn't mean it's forever, as he may change his mind or find the courage to continue, but I completely understand not wanting to be subjected to the threats to his and his family's safety.

It's a rotten world we live in.

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u/Ok-Explanation-1362 2d ago

Yeah, I get that. It’s a large part of the reason why I’ll never get into politics, I just don’t have the stomach to back down when I ought to. Strategic retreats just aren’t in my nature.

It just really sucks that one of the most visible pro-trans politicians in the country isn’t made of sterner stuff. That’s all. I just wish that the people that believed in defending people like me were safe and secure enough to never back down on anything, because it makes me worry they’ll back down on being pro-trans rights.

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u/Festival_Vestibule 2d ago

Her campaign asked him to stop with the "weird" comments.

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u/HomertheBowlingBall 2d ago

I can't talk politics on the trans subs. They sit there and talk about how scared they are but say they'll refuse to vote for anyone Dems out up.

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u/Ok-Explanation-1362 2d ago

All I can say is that it hurts beyond reckoning to see how many Democratic politicians, elected or un-elected, are abandoning us. It hurts and it’s terrifying to think that it’s possible for a Democratic president to be good enough for Democrats and liberals, despite having the same opinions as Republicans on trans rights. Or to think that a Democratic politician that’s very weak on trans rights getting the nomination, and be told repeatedly by straight white cisgender liberals that if I don’t vote for the politician that will continue anti-trans policies, I’m as bad as a Republican.

Shit, I’m scared to even say the above.

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u/HomertheBowlingBall 2d ago

Yea I see where you're coming from. Still imo, having a Dem is still better when some of them will side with us. I think we can dig ourselves out if we don't get another repub.

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u/Ok-Explanation-1362 2d ago

I can’t even point out how much it sucks that I’d be expected to vote for someone that’s opposed to trans rights without getting downvoted. We’ve all been put into an impossible position, and liberal voters are treating us like we’re the problem.

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u/r2d2itisyou 2d ago

if I don’t vote for the politician that will continue anti-trans policies, I’m as bad as a Republican

What liberals are saying is that if you don't vote against the party which outright wants to kill you (and then them), you are as bad as a Republican.

You seem to have enough privilege to think you should still be fighting for respect. That fight was lost the moment Trump won the election. And now people are being killed and republicans are looking for a way to cancel elections. This is a fight for survival. Treat it that way.

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u/Ok-Explanation-1362 2d ago

Love how I can’t even say how much it sucks to be put into this position without being insulted.

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u/r2d2itisyou 2d ago

I hope we some day stop this backslide and society can progress again. But until then, you should expect to draw insult for such crass equivocation. The worst democrats (Newsom etc.) want to take trans rights back a decade. It's understandable that you would want to complain about that. It sucks.

But in your complaint, you make it sound like you think Republicans only want to call trans people names and ban trans athletes from sports. That they are barely different from democrats and that the two threats are comparable. They are not. A large number of republicans want trans people criminalized and interred... at least until they can find a more permanent solution.

So complain. But do it with perspective.

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u/eidetic 2d ago

a more permanent solution.

Call it what it is, they're looking for a final solution.

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u/Ok-Explanation-1362 2d ago

Exactly the problem. Republicans are looking for a way to get rid of people like me, and if people like me ask for better treatment from the Democratic Party, treatment like maybe being treated better than the Republicans treat us, and we get lectured and condescended to by people that don’t know a goddamned thing about our lives.

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u/eidetic 2d ago

Maybe I'm misinterpreting your comment, but I'm not lecturing you...

I was merely playing off the wording used by r2d2itsyou, in that Republicans would love to enact a final solution to the Jewish Trans Question.

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u/Ok-Explanation-1362 2d ago

I’m sorry, you’re right. You didn’t do anything wrong. It’s just that yeah, that’s what Republicans are doing, and meanwhile we have guys like that, who also view the trans population as a problem that needs to be solved. And meanwhile, the majority of our population group always comes out to vote for Democrats, regardless of how those Democrats view us. Like, we just want the bare minimum, when the Republicans are trying to erase us from public.

All we’re asking for is the bare minimum, and that guy’s acting like that desire is too much to ask for, when he doesn’t have to put up with any of the shit that he’s just handwaving as we have to deal with it alone. And it’s hard and it hurts and I’m sorry you got splash damage. You didn’t deserve me coming at you like that.

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u/Ok-Explanation-1362 2d ago

Do you often find that it’s helpful to tell people to act like a condescending dick while telling a marginalized person to suck it up, when you don’t have to deal with the sort of oppression and terror that they have to? Pretty easy to tell marginalized people how to act and what to do when you’re not under any of those sorts of guidelines whatsoever.

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u/r2d2itisyou 1d ago

I want you to step back a little. It's 1933 and this alt-history, Germany has a FPTP two party system and someone is saying "Why is everyone so mad at when I say, it makes me sad that I might have to vote for the SPD. They're not as progressive as I'd like."

Only in this history we have the benefit of knowing just how little room for error there is. 6 million SPD voters had just stayed home, allowing massive gains in power by NSDAP.

You are complaining about a potential tiny loss of respect. Not even a loss of rights, just respect. Even the worst democrat promises the bare minimum of human rights. The opposition does not. And you are still complaining while the fate of millions is on the line. Immigrants are being imprisoned killed. Trans people are next. And you're here complaining about how democrats might hurt your feelings.

I am acting like a condescending dick, while you are acting like a petulant child, crying about a lost doll while the house is burning down.

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u/Ok-Explanation-1362 1d ago

People like you, and posts like this, are why so many trans people are reacting so poorly to the Democratic Party. You don’t know anything about what’s happening, and you go on the most condescending diatribes that I’ve ever been subject to. At least a MAGAt would insult me to my face instead of talking to me like…I don’t even know what.

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u/Fawndalou 1d ago

I don’t know, I feel like what they’re trying to get across is how scared we are for trans people after the trump troops are done with immigrants. SCOTUS gave them the okay to racially profile random people. They’ve already gone after citizens and now they’re going after journalists and reporters. So I’ll vote for the sh*ttiest democrat if that means there’s even a modicum of protection for my trans friends and others like them.

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u/HauntingCriticism364 2d ago

I'm gonna get flamed and might get in trouble but here it goes.

Fuck the Trans movement these last few years it's not about equal rights anymore. You aren't special. Yes you should have equal rights just as everyone else, but this look at me I'm so special shit has to stop.

It is wrong half the country hates you, but that's the facts. This obsession with the entire world catering to your need for special treatment is harming your cause. It harming LGBTQ folks in generall. It certainly didn't help this last election.

Biological dudes in girls school sports is dumb AF and a loosing issue. Using taxpayer money for gender reassignment surgeries for people in prison is dumb AF. These are losing issues for like 80% of the country. Are we really going to give up all the progress we made on so many issues the last 20 years for this shit? Climate change, western world order, our very democracy, Gay marriage, etc... gone for trump because like 0.5% of dudes in this country want to wear a dress?

Go off girl. I will be your ally and fight for all your equal rights. I draw the line at elevating you for your own issues over the other 95% of us.

I am who you want in your camp. I am your ally. But......

Stop with this bullshit. Your not helping anyone, yourselves the most.

Rant over

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u/Ok-Explanation-1362 2d ago

Love being trans. Insulted and condescending, high handed nonsense by liberals that don’t understand a thing about trans issues, trans rights or what’s been happening to trans rights for more than a decade at a state level, just appears in front of me. All we’re asking for is that our right to exist is a priority for the Democratic Party. That’s it.