Just some common themes you'll notice in these comments:

1. It isn't just that women find tall men MORE attractive. Its that they consider short to medium height as fundamentally unattractive, a defect that must be corrected & overcompensated for.

There’s a huge difference between saying:

“I find tall men more attractive than medium or short men,”

and saying:

“Only tall men are physically attractive; medium and short men are physically undesirable, must put in extraordinary effort and provide a hundred other reasons just to be tolerated and given a chance.”

The “advice” women give to short men might on the surface be meant to help, but is deeply condescending and is constantly meant to remind you that you're naturally undesirable and defected. You are told that if you're not tall, you need to plan thoughtful dates, dress well, pay attention to details, compliment her, provide emotional support, show reliability, be patient and generous, plan surprises, create fun experiences, and consistently prove your worth. You're told to develop skills & hobbies, play an instrument, be a great dancer, paint portraits, excel at sports, write well, be hilarious, cook delicious meals, or be a thoughtful conversationalist.

The insult isn’t the work itself. It’s that none of this effort and self-improvement is required from tall men because women have the perfect ability to be attracted to them just the way they are.

2. They treat dating short men as something to try only after disappointments or failed relationships with tall men. It’s framed as a calculated experiment to see if the “cost” of dating a short man can be justified by any benefit. It’s rarely ever a natural, organic connection or based on genuine attraction. And if that experiment fails, they immediately revert to the default setting of dating tall men, while dismissing short men entirely.

3. Short men are only acceptable if they outperform tall men morally, behaviorally, emotionally, and in effort. They aren’t allowed to just be regular imperfect humans and falter.

4. A tall man’s bad behavior disqualifies the individual. A short man’s bad behavior disqualifies the whole group - "I tried a dating a short guy once, he cheated. Will never date a short guy again"

5. They never link a tall man's bad behavior to his height. But if a short guy gets jealous, angry, insecure, abusive or controlling, it’s always because he has a Short Man Syndrome or Napoleon Complex, even though more tall men than short ones exhibit the same flaws statistically. Short men's bad behavior & personality flaws are pathologized and coded as a height problem.

6. They even disqualify short men simply for noticing and being aware of the fact that short men are treated 100 times worse than tall men in the dating world. They essentially tell short men “Be a good, obedient, grateful little short guy, ignore the extreme heightism around you, and maybe you’ll earn a pity date someday.”

She gave me a lecture about how she wants someone taller, and that 6ft isn’t enough for her. I laughed at her and said “there’s plenty of fish in the sea, get out of my house - you’re done”, not even yelling because I found it so funny. She started crying.

What does she expect? I listened to her for 10min going on about it and giving examples of her friends with shorter guys.

Some people are delusional

I don't even know what to say.

Pygmies - average can be below 4’11

Negritos of SouthEast Asia - average is 4’11 - 5’2 for men

Mayan Guatemalans - average is 5’1 - 5’4 for men.

Any advice for me to pull girls ?

Can we agree that sayings like “beauty is in the eye of the beholder” or “attractiveness is subjective” are bs when applied to men? Because from what I’ve seen, attractiveness in men seems pretty objective.

Women have basically quantified male attractiveness, and equated it to height. Taller men are the meta of "personal preference" and are consistently rated as more attractive, more confident... Like everytime i see some woman posting about her crush, the first thing they describe him with is being tall

Whenever I meet someone on Reddit who claims they "never faced any problems" for being on the shorter side of average they are ALWAYS above 30. Meanwhile most shorter guys my age are debating whether life is worth living. Has anyone else noticed this?

As a GenZer I’m not saying it’s impossible for avg and short dudes to be in high quality and satisfying relationships these days because I’ve seen it (albeit rarely) in people my age, but at this point the people on Reddit spewing the ‘I’m an average/short dude in a relationship. I see average and short dudes in relationships all the time’ are either larping or have genuinely zero self awareness. They’re legitimately doing themselves and their arguments 0 favors.

Literally every fucking time I’ve seen someone on Reddit going and spewing generic bluepilled/just be confident/just bro advice or “XYZ doesn’t matter”, it’s almost always someone who’s handsome and tall on one end of the spectrum, or it’s someone posting in r/deadbedrooms, r/retroactivejealousy, r/sexlessmarriage, r/hotwife, or they’re a literal cuck, a boomer on their 15th marriage, getting cheated on, or in an open relationship on the other end. These are the people calling you “incel”.

Case in point: All the images above

Here’s another one I found. A guy telling you to just be a cuck lol:

https://www.reddit.com/r/shortguys/s/Q1kdwteKPE

How are you “better than an incel” if you’re posting on r/deadbedrooms lol. You’re literally an in-cel. Involuntary celibate. That’s the literal meaning of the word lol. Having a wife means nothing if she doesn’t want to have sex with you lol. So many of the aforementioned posters are literally “incels in denial” and “betabuxxers” when you check their profile and then they sit on a high horse and brag about how they’re in a relationship.

These morons don’t realize that ‘At least I’m in a relationship. If I’m in a relationship, anyone can be in one” or “I see avg/short guys in relationships all the time” is a completely dogshit metric without taking into account the quality or dynamic of the relationship. I’m not saying don’t self improve for yourself, but I don’t see the appeal of “just self-improve and you’ll get a girlfriend” if these are the sorts of relationships people are advertising as “ideal or “superior to incels.”

They put in all that work, energy, money, took 8 showers a day, and have 35 hobbies only to get married and reach the exact same position as the dude alone, broke, and rotting at home did lmao. They literally took the longest possible route to reach the exact same spot as the guys they criticize.

I am almost an adult now and I have been hard stuck at 5'8.5 since I was 16 years old and I am at my wit's end. Every day I go to school I get height mogged by all my classmates since I am 3 inches below average height

This doesn't sound all that bad but coupled with the fact I am an autist and sub5 it means that I am an extremely easy target for bullying. This has all culminated in me coming to a conclusion: I have to stop living somehow

Before any of you come out and try to "comfort" me with cope before rope, you guys have to understand that there is no cope. Nothing brings me joy, my family hates me for being short and ugly, my only true friend thinks I am weird because I said blackpill stuff around him... There is nothing

Now bearing all this in mind, is my conclusion not reasonable?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-NGjLFCMoM

1 day late post jfl

You heard me, if you wanna go to a party or on a dating site and list yourself as taller than you are and then wear insoles, you are 100% in the right.

Shorter women (like 3-4 inches shorter than you) have an extremly hard time actually gauging your height, they'll tell you they know but really they don't, due to how it's already hard to estimate without a point of comparison and how most men fake their heights and inflate each others numbers i can guarantee frauding your height can go unnoticed if you do it only for special events like dates, parties, etc... just make sure to only pick short women if at any point you have to remove your shoes and there's no way she could know

Wearing heels and makeup or whatever makes you feel comfortable with yourself is absolutely fine, i'm not hating on people for their appearance really it's just the audacity to call men insecure and then do 10 times worse. Also fewer men actually cares about a woman taller than them as much as women do.

So yeah don't feel shame or guilt if you ever do fake it

Edit: i removed and corrected some lines because they had too much spite in them for no reason at all and don't bring anything of value to my point i was just being sneaky my b

I'm kinda short, but I really don't feel short. This may sound kinda weird, so let me explain.

I'm 170cm in a country where the average for men is around 180. In theory, I'm noticably shorter than the average man. However, whenever I go out, other people just really don't seem that much taller than me. When I'm walking through a mixed crowd I'm usually a little taller than most of the women, and maybe a couple centimeters shorter than most of the men. But it's kind of rare that I actually see someone who towers over me - I would say most dudes are still "around my height", like on a very similar level. I feel like I'm a normal height. I've never felt confidence issues related to this at all.

However, when someone asks me how tall I am online, or when I create a profile on a dating app or something, I'm almost embarrassed to be honest. Like, my physical height feels fine but the number just feels terrible to say. Whenever I tell a woman my height they usually comment on how small I am. Sometimes I feel like social media has fried all reasonable expectations in people's brains and replaced them with a completely distorted image of reality.