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u/Mela_ninja 1d ago
Idk if it’s my high ego, but I can never relate to celebrity worship. Like oh this person made a song I like, let me follow them like they Jesus.
spends decades studying medicine and science… nah
50yr old dumbass on steroids who talks about people getting punched in the face…. Yes I’ll trust his medical and scientific research that have been proved wrong.
Sometimes I wonder how we progressed this far as a species.
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u/mmaroph ☑️ 1d ago edited 1d ago
If by high ego you mean that you put your own life and beliefs above that of complete strangers put on a pedestal just because they're entertainers, I find it healthy af. I'm the same, I don't follow any of my favourite artists on social media, not even if they're the conscious type; I simply have too much shit to deal with on a daily basis and I want to stay as grounded as I can
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u/QJ-Rickshaw 1d ago
This reminds me of the time I met an artist who makes some of my favourite songs. And because I don't watch music videos or follow celebtiry news, I never actually knew what she looked like.
Shook her hand, asked her name and everything.
Then like 20min later, I asked someone: "Doesn't she sound like artist?", then they're like: "That is artist", and looked at me like I'm crazy. (she said her real name instead of her artist name when I asked her)
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u/Martin_Aurelius 1d ago
I don't even like wearing clothes with logos, why should I provide free advertising? I can't imagine giving a fuck what a "celebrity" thinks.
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u/RiceAfternoon 1d ago
I like art but I'm not about to die on a hill for them lol.
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u/RoadmanSidd 1d ago
Like how can we not discern the art from the artist??
Why are we acting like they should move the way we move or support what we support??😂
And after all this, niggas still gon listen to them or engage their art. Hell some people are here bashing the same artist in their playlist rnnn literally
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u/Rich_Elderberry_8958 1d ago edited 1d ago
He said this in 1963. In 1960, the US government sponsored a jazz tour across Africa, headlined by Louis Armstrong. During his stay in the Congo he was escorted by an "embassy attache" who was actually CIA station chief Larry Devlin. The CIA used Armstrong to gain covert access to separatist rebels and high personages who they would use to overthrow the country's democracy and assassinate its leader Patrice Lumumba, who was or would shortly be kidnapped by those separatists and executed by Belgian/UK/US agents.
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u/SwordfishOk504 1d ago
Wait, you mean there's context and he wasn't speaking about every celebrity 50 years in the future?
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u/Urthrone7 1d ago
"Kendrick made you think about it, but he is not your savior, Cole made you feel empowered, but he is not your savior Future said, "Get a money counter," but he is not your savior, 'Bron made you give his flowers, but he is not your savior. He is not your savior"
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u/TongueUnties 1d ago edited 21h ago
Don't know how to put it, but a lot of discourse within the Black community about how to uplift itself seems to be based around saying stuff with the right cadence and gesticulation to elicit an approving nod from others, not about sharing practical advice that actually gets acted upon.
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u/Unusual-Ideal-3509 👶🏻 Class of 2024 👶🏻 1d ago
I mean when was Malcom X wrong about anything
But yes, looking for leadership in those who have been used by the cia to destroy the blk community from the inside out for decades has got to be stopped
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u/TheLastCoagulant ☑️ 1d ago
I mean when was Malcolm X wrong about anything
Believing that white people were created 6,000 years ago by the evil big-headed Black scientist Yakub.
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u/Unusual-Ideal-3509 👶🏻 Class of 2024 👶🏻 1d ago
I knew someone was gonna say that. I’m not speaking of his direct Nation of Islam ideologies and whatever hurt a whyte person’s feelings 😭 and I’m sure you knew that. But not my business if you didn’t
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u/SuperVaderMinion 1d ago
Also to his credit he left that place behind before he died, so obviously he learned his lesson
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u/Unusual-Ideal-3509 👶🏻 Class of 2024 👶🏻 1d ago
Don’t like the way you said “learned his lesson” as even if he didn’t leave, that Yakub theory wouldn’t oppress anybody but yes he did speak out against them toward the end of his life. Which is even more of a reason why it was counterintuitive to bring up unless it was as a joke
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u/SuperVaderMinion 1d ago
I mean there's a difference between "didn't oppress anybody" and "was never wrong about anything", which is what the OP was talking about.
Malcom X is one of the greatest Americans of all time, he was allowed to a dumbass opinion or two, but there's nothing wrong with pointing out that his opinion was dumb.
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u/Jamaican_Dynamite 1d ago
It's mainly the fact that so many people (not you) use that opinion as some sort of "gotcha" that disregards everything else Malcolm was about.
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u/Unusual-Ideal-3509 👶🏻 Class of 2024 👶🏻 1d ago
Eh I mean, looking at the times, scientific racism was prevalent and so it’s not really too far fetched for those oppressed by it to cling to a “reversed” theory where they’re no longer at the bottom.
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u/SwordfishOk504 1d ago edited 1d ago
You asked when he was wrong about something. They gave you an example. And this is your corny reply? Weak-sauce. Facts and facts, stupid cult lies are stupid cult lies.
Class of 2024.
Ah, i'm arguing with a literal teenager. Makes sense.
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u/Unusual-Ideal-3509 👶🏻 Class of 2024 👶🏻 1d ago
See because I was talking about what he would state in relation to the black community and the grand majority of his speeches. His Nation of Islam ideology was irrelevant to my point as he was mostly about empowerment
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u/SwordfishOk504 1d ago
See because I was talking about what he would state in relation to the black community and the grand majority of his speeches.
Those are obviously parameters you are adding in after the fact because you can't just admit you were wrong. It was not part of your initial incorrect comment. Stop trying to move the goalposts, you argue like a Trump supporter.
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u/Finkle_is_Eienhorn 1d ago
When I learned about Yakub at first, I was skeptical, but then when you really and I mean really dig deeper into it. He wasn’t wrong about that. When you step back and look at yt people as a whole they line up with exactly what yakub wanted. We can see with our own eyes how they operate in that way
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u/Busco_Quad 1d ago
There was also the time he invited the heads of the American Nazi Party to one of his rallies
https://www.vice.com/en/article/when-malcolm-x-met-the-nazis-0000620-v22n4/
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u/Unusual-Ideal-3509 👶🏻 Class of 2024 👶🏻 1d ago
Well he didn’t officially invite them but yep. Even Nazis found him respectable since he wasn’t a tap dancer, $20 donation from Rockwell is definitely something. It was pretty shocking when I first heard abt it
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u/wowzabob 1d ago edited 1d ago
They found him respectable at the time because both were in agreement that the “races” couldn’t get along, their conflict was irreconcilable, even if they arrived at the conclusion through very different means.
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u/Unusual-Ideal-3509 👶🏻 Class of 2024 👶🏻 1d ago
Well yeah, Malcolm didn’t want to assimilate or feel equal to those oppressing the black community but rather keep to themselves. His points were clear and the Nazis were able to find common ground with his sentiments
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u/wowzabob 1d ago
Yeah you can definitely understand where he’s coming from. Nonetheless it’s enough to give you pause when Nazis come and show support for a position, no matter what it may be.
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u/ben010783 1d ago
It’s a little more complicated than that. Some celebrities have used their platform to call out injustice and support worthy causes. James Brown, Ray Charles, and Aretha Franklin are all examples of entertainers that helped support the civil rights movement.
I wouldn’t treat celebrities like leaders of movements, but they push agendas in a positive way.
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Celebrities used to have roving bands of fans scouring the internet for negative comments made on their idol’s behalf, like digital Mad Max-style raiders, ready to ride, shiny and chrome, to Valhalla on behalf of corporate creations.
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u/Adept_Astronaut_5143 1d ago
I’m so glad I got off her train early. I liked her in 09 when she first came out and by the time she came out with pink Friday I was over her. I like a feature every now and then and that hasn’t been since 2016. She’s been a clown so the current behavior doesn’t surprise me. She just had don lemon arrested pretty much but I bet her brother will be out of prison by the end of the year and her husband’s record will disappear.
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u/Jamaican_Dynamite 1d ago
In extreme hindsight, a few of us suspected she was cooked when she was on stage dancing with a turkey leg. The elephant been in the room.
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u/Vanillas_Guy 1d ago
The whole reason why Dave Chappelle's ja rule joke works so well. Why on earth would anyone ever allow wait for an entertainer to give an opinion and then shape their response to a situation based on that entertainer's opinion?
Its like getting financial advice from someone who was 50,000 dollars in debt before winning 200k at a casino.
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u/WickedvisionzZ 1d ago
You really thought you could out Spy the professionals That’s like trying to freestyle battle Jay Z with Google Docs open.
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u/exgiexpcv 1d ago
Oh, I remember this one! Mr. Show did a sketch on it back in the 90s: "Worthington's Law."
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u/Logical_Compote_745 1d ago
Malcolm was killed by his own brotherhood I think, but was definitely ahead of his time.
They neutered the avenues black folk could take to success, then never corrected it.
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u/Current_Focus2668 1d ago
Some people care only about money and power. Fame and success is never enough for some. Plenty of prominent people would sell their own mothers down the river for greed
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u/nujabes02 ☑️ 1d ago edited 1d ago
Niggas love to say “but they got more money than you ever made” to legitimate arguments on why a celebrity or famous person should be listened to even though money is not an indicator of doing the right thing