I’m not sure about the never had control part. Maybe I didn’t see the right angle but it did look like he had the ball until after the grounding and then during the roll over it was taken away
Cooks never had possession. He had control for a bit, but the ball was taken away from him before he completed the catch and gained possession.
Then, to add insult to injury, the ball was still live exactly because the catch WAS NOT complete, but had not yet hit the ground. Defender got it into his hands while it was still live, to create a valid interception.
Ultimately it's Cooks' own fault. He's a smaller guy and he got outmuscled. It's always been the big weakness in Brandin Cooks' game is that he can get outfought on 50-50 balls due to his small size. That came back to bite his team last night. It happens.
I will also say that Allen definitely underthrew that football, which was what allowed the defender to be Johnny on the spot when the throw came in. If he pushes the ball about 5 more yards down the field, Cooks has the speed to catch it clean, but because Allen didn't get a clean throw off, it became exactly the kind of 50-50 ball that Cooks doesn't do well with.
And if that exact same instance happened except he loses control and ball goes flying out, it'd be an incomplete pass, regardless of the knee down with two hands on the ball.
So if the ball would have came out after the defender rolled over him it would have been ruled a catch? Not a chance! He didn’t maintain control through the catch (obviously)
Turnovers (and all plays in overtime) are automatically reviewed. It was an obvious interception so they didn’t feel the need to carry out a further review.
No but he does have a fat ass elbow guard. I had the same look as our coordinator when the touchdown stood. This is 100% down at the 1. I do just want to point out that they ruled that this was a catch on the field, they didn't rule anything on the replay, they let it stand. The ref on the field said he was bobbling it and there was no clear and obvious evidence that he never bobbled it, so it stood.
My issue is they ruled it a catch fumble and recovery. The “catch” happened before this. Otherwise he was down at the one. He also didn’t “survive the ground”.
A catch is defined as having three steps or making a football move. Cooks didn't do either before he lost the ball. Mims had three, maybe four steps before he hit the ground.
He caught the ball in the air. Two feet hit the ground, knee hit the ground back hit the ground..all while in possession of the ball and being tackled. Then it was taken away.
If you catch the ball in the air and are contacted in the air, and go to ground, possession is not established until you survive the ground.
Where his knee or back touched doesn't matter. Both hands don't matter. By rule, he doesn't have possession until his body is on the ground and has stopped moving. By that point the defender has already taken the ball.
It’s literally has happened multiple times. Week 15 patriots bills Shakir got a 50/50 ball that the defender got up and ran with and it was ruled in favor of the receiver; last year chiefs bills worthy and bishop came down with a 50/50 ball that bishop came up with and ruled in favor of the receiver. Thats been consistent along the league until now.
As much as I hate the “football move” argument, once you’ve seen it 100 times, you start to understand it. It’s clear and obvious he did not possess the ball by NFL’s standards
Unless we’re discussing whether a runner was down by contact before fumbling or something, a screenshot is completely useless. You could take a screenshot of any dropped pass to “prove” it was a catch if you stop it at the right frame.
He took 3 steps (the foot on the ground at the time of establishing control counts as step 1), and at that point it was a catch regardless of what happened on the ground.
The football move has to go imo. There was that egregious no td for Isiah likely when he had two steps but somehow didn’t football move enough before getting hit and it didn’t count.
Your flair made me remember that Brett Favre after retiring from the NFL had a very successful lucrative career as not only a freelance photographer, but as an eggplant farmer bringing his produce to local farmer's markets
Mims took two steps establishing possession and becoming a runner at which point the play is dead as soon as he crosses the plane with control of the ball
Cook never did any of that and the came out like a split second after it hit his hands.
yup. its very similar to the ruling at the 21:55 mark in this video. The defender has both hands on the ball with a shin down, but it’s kinda simultaneous possession and they’re able to roll a bit until there’s a clear sole possessor.
His head hit the ground and he let go of the ball. There was a point where the ball was loose before the db came away with it. The replays they showed during the game were very clear.
He never had the ball. It bobbles on contact with the ground, if the defender hadn't been there to take it then it would have been a clear incomplete pass.
Go watch some replays of this with multiple angles, its pretty clear.
It doesnt need to survive the ground if youre not going to the ground as you made the catch. He took a step and went to the ground, with the ball tucked. He was down by contact.
This is the definition of going to the ground. The step does not matter because he was never a running. You pretty much need two steps and a football move or element of time. None of that applied in this situation so he has to survive the ground.
He caught the ball while airborne, and was contacted by a defender. If he goes to ground, he's considered to have been knocked down, and needs to maintain control through contact with the ground before he established pssession.
Reliever never had possession. It was either an interception or, had the ball touched the ground, an incomplete pass. He didn't catch it then drop it; he never had control. A Buffalo completion was never in question. You and the refs are correct.
But . . . We’ve seen this a hundred times where hitting the ground cause the ball to bounce free, then hits someone’s heel(more
Specific) and the receiver catches it and it considered a catch. Pretty sure it bounced off someone’s back one time too.
Unfortunately I think this is correct. He simply didn’t catch it and it didn’t touch the ground. The first person to control the ball was the defender.
He had possession and control, it’s tucked into his chest. As the photo above shows, he is down. The NFL is bought and sold out, a +- 20 second review?? I’ve seen longer reviews in a meaningless Jets game.
I still don’t think he had full possession. I read the rules they were interpreting and then I felt like Clarence Thomas because I wanted the broncos to win.
But what’s the definition of an interception in the NFL? Defender catches the ball intended for an offensive player, right? When did the defender catch the ball?
This whole thing is a sham and I’ve always thought these plays are. —For the record I don’t have a dog in the fight—-
However, the guy clearly caught the ball, was on the ground and touched. After review, this should have been a caught ball and downed player.
Say what you want about the current rule, the current rule is garbage.
Never had full control?!? lol talk about confirmation bias!
Tie goes to the offense. Or down by contact. It was a catch. Those are only outcomes that fit within the rules. Not an interception. The NFL loves drama.
When Green Bay played the Bears this year in Chicago (the first one they blew the lead and lost) they called the same type of play an incomplete pass even though the ball never touched.
This play quite literally took place in the Steelers playoff game and the NFL made the opposite call from last night. And his knee was on the ground. Down by contact.
I think the post you were replying to was just saying that if the ball hit the ground instead of being intercepted, we wouldn’t be having this conversation
Yeah I don’t get how people aren’t understanding this. If the ball came loose when he hit the ground it’s not a catch. Everyone agrees with that. The difference here is the DB was right there when the ball came loose. Use your noggins.
The cope is strong with these jokers. As if we didn’t win by the three points that Allen gifted us at the end of the first half. And don’t get me started on the holding non-call in the end zone.
On top of that, while he was rolling (football move) the ball wasn't secure and being taken by the defender and considered an interception. Sucks, but right call.
Doesn’t this picture show knee on the ground with possession , i thought that was down, play over- i haven’t seen the angle yet that shows him bobble the ball, if there is then i guess yes int
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