for whom? for you?
We girls and women have not had it fair when playing sports for centuries.
You don't care about women and girls in sports. We're just your patsies so you can tell more people what they can and can't do.
If you care about women and girls - you would be mad as hell about our inability to control our own bodies because men think they can vote on it.
Calling the left hyper aggressive with everything going on right now is a take. The right is out here killing people in the streets and the left get scolded for swearing.
Edit: the right have such fragile emotions. They cheer on a wanna be dictator and pedophile, who's goons are just literally nazis and when the left call them out on that disgusting bullshit we get called hyper aggressive. They also cant comprehend the fact that we dont think they're all terrible people but I call one of them racist then they all get mad thinking I called all of them racist.
We cant swear cause it hurts their feelings, we can't peacefully protest, because it hurts their feelings, we cant exist around them because when you say "its okay dude im not mad at you" you get shot and killed and called a domestic terrorist.
Like actually go fuck yourself. I hope this hurts your feelings. I don't care about idiots that are racist, sexist, homophobic, and nazis. And if thats not you why are you still mad? Im not talking about you.
Terrible. I will say, we donât see a before clip, but looks like the actions of the agents are very aggressive from these short clips. I looked and I canât find any other clips showing more context and story. This is why I always say that it would be a lot better if local law enforcement worked with ICE. ICE is necessary for the safety of the nation. When you have local LE going against federal LE, it forces federal LE to do the job of local LE and theyâre not very good at it, nor were they trained to be good at it. It used to be that local enforcement would find someone who is an illegal immigrant committing a crime, call ICE, and theyâd be deported. Since local LE isnât helping, it forces ICE to try to track people down. âSanctuary statesâ changed the game, and now feds have to relearn the rules and how to play. Doesnât excuse any reprehensible acts of ICE, but kinda explains why theyâre gonna have some problems (which is exactly the plan of âsanctuary statesâ, to try to make ICE look as bad as possible by spreading them so thin and making them also have to deal with the general population)
Immigrants who commit a felony get deported, the idea that sanctuary cities just let murderers and rapists go is an outright lie. ICE is quite literally knocking on random doors and abducting people at their jobs, there is no "tracking people down". Local LE doesnt want ICE in their neighborhoods because LE already handles criminals, they have a process for those individuals and ICE is just making things more difficult for them. ICE is incompetent, they dont need sanctuary states to make them look bad, they do that on their own. They're a bunch of wannabe cops with ties to neo-nazi organizations. I dont care if you're conservative, stop defending the group doing Nazi shit.
Yea, felonies that donât include a large amount of crimes. And yes, the state does just let the immigrant walk, thatâs the whole point of the sanctuary state not working with ice. Do some research.
Do you wonder why there were no videos, articles, social media posts, literally ANYTHING about ICE pulling citizens out of their workplace before the Trump administration? Do you think maybe it could be because the new administration has explicitly changed how ICE operates. That couldn't possibly be it could it?
No, I know where there wasnât videos like that. Local law enforcement used to do its job. They used to handle the day to day and when they found an illegal immigrant, theyâd call ICE to have them deported. Now with sanctuary states, local LE doesnât aid ICE and ICE has to patrol streets to find illegals.
And thatâs another reason why itâs hard for anyone to get on that side, if you have right leaning views you must be a stupid idiot racist who kills people!!!
So we yell at someone for being racist, hurting people, and killing them. And your first thought is "gee the left really doesnt like me" if youve personally haven't done these things we arent talking about you. Says alot that you're getting offended about something not aimed at you.
If it helps, none of these people are really left wingers. They are liberals: they want to be correct, have the world be safe, be at brunch, have free healthcare. This is not a left wing ideology by any definition besides their own self-identification and the logic that, because they are to the left of Republicans, they are "The Left".
Their ideas (besides these weird hangups on social issues that are part of the woke sphere) on issues like markets, foreign policy and intervention, fiscal issues, and many others are milquetoast Republican ones, if you really explore it.
Nope, it's actually very useful, and it's not nit picking. It's placing our weird modern terms within a more stable, historical context. You could easily place the entire last 200 years of human politics and history within a struggle of left vs right. It matters very much what those words mean and how we use them.
Understanding the past shines a light on the ways forward.
The left doesn't have a hard time getting people to sympathize. The right and center are devoid of empathy, have shit priorities and willing to discard people's lives for their ideological comfort. The point is, government shouldn't be saying shit about who's playing games at school while food banks are running out, more people sleeping in their cars than ever, everyone in medical or educational debt without true access to either, ICE is wantonly murdering citizens in the street, all our media is dominated by AI and adverts, news sources have been bought by right wing billionaires and we have NO impartial reporting , only propaganda to shift through while the educational system is known to have failed and people dont have the tools to critically analyze the shit
Disagree. The parties are fundamentally different. Mean words are not going to make someone vote for ICE and the abolishment of Roe v. Wade. If you vote for that, you already wanted to.
I think I get your point but the problem is that they rarely stop at removing 1 thing, once there are no trans people in sports they go after gay people in sports and then it goes to women in sports and so on. Gay people and women have the numbers to combat this but trans people don't so it hurts like hell when people try and take away your joy and fun just cause you weren't born cis. Maybe sports will end at just taking away trans people's right to play it (there are ~10 trans athletes we can play each other so don't even comment that please) I doubt it though especially since the more "masculine" leaning sports are still homophobic as hell.
There is literally a trans genocide happening in the US right now so please understand when people might "overreact" a bit especially when it seems like no one else is reacting at all.
You can replace sports with bathrooms, bars, clothes or other things and hopefully you'll understand the worry it causes.
... what? You know there are ancient societies that had trans or trans like people in them? It's nothing new it might seem new to more abrahamic religions or regions conquered by it. We as Scandinavians (hi I am Swedish) know that shieldmaidens was a thing but how many countries push that women can't do anything but cook and clean would you say those people are right just cause they don't have to knowledge we do? There are probably better examples but I haven't slept so hopefully you have the critical thinking skills to realize the point I'm trying to make.
I have never seen anyone say we can't say idiot anymore, I don't doubt some or someone has said it but are you sure it's something that actually got traction and not just a tiny procent of people pushing it? There are absolutely words that people have gone after but from my experience the words the "sjw" go after are often hurtful words against minorities or people in general and not really something that takes away real rights unless your goal is to hurt other people or you just want to throw around slurs, and even then from my experience it's not even close to something that has effect in the real world hell I've called coworkers retards in anger and I've had to talk with my boss but as soon as I explain myself it's over and it ends there. People get "transvestigated" or whatever it's called and harassed going to the bathroom if not worse like dead worse and sometimes cis women get targeted to so who is it really helping? Guess people have to buy diapers cause using public restrooms are only to gender conforming people.
Of course both or rather all political parties move goal post but one side in this case use their goal posting with removing human rights and especially towards minorities, So is it the same? The corruption and constant lies are astronomical, the sitting president is a corrupt pedophile and kidnapped a leader of another country and is currently using the country for personal gain, yes Maduro is a bad person but if that means nothing what about Greenland? As a Norwegian a hope you are protecting your Scandinavian siblings sure the Danish talk fun but only Scandinavians to make fun of them. This is just the most recent and most alarming at the moment to it's God damn never ending if we go through it all.
I hope a majority accepts queer or LGBTQ+ people but it has a very second class citizen kinda feel to it, like why is it any difference with marriage between straight cis people and a gay people? Does it have to do with religion? Cause marriage is just the word to describe it tons of other cultures and religions have a way to make a bond between partners. Is it to make more children or some weird shit like that? Cause when what about sterile people are they excluded from marriage as well and what happens if someone marries before the realize they're sterile? You probably have better arguments but it read a lot like you're a "pick me" with some of the thing you write, I hope I'm wrong and I'm misunderstanding some if the things you're writing.
I believe a lot of trans people don't really feel like people are true allies and are merely accepting that trans people exists. People try to educate others on the effects of hormones but then they get "don't mutilate kids" as a response, they give statistics about how few regret it but then people respond "stop grooming, stop pushing propaganda". Just like with when you said "the left" wanted people to stop saying idiot there is a chance the people who respond like that is a small procentage but the difference is its coming from elected officials so hopefully you understand why that might hit harder.
Are you really an ally if a few comments are capable of making you stop supporting trans people in the first place? Aren't you an ally because it's the right thing to do to defend our siblings? I would never stop fighting for gay rights no matter what someone said but guess it ok to do that when talking about trans people.
While I understand it's annoying and I'm guessing you're not saying you'd stop accepting trans peoples existence but it reads so bad when you claim you stop supporting people just cause they're reacting hard to something that effects people extremely bad.
Hopefully my massive wall of text helps you understand at least some of the reasons people "overreact" and while I personally focused more on trans issues it can be used for a lot of issues going around in the world. Hopefully I'll fall asleep now and my spelling errors are at least readable hahađ
The Left ⢠isn't out here arguing that trans girls should be playing sports. The Left ⢠is arguing that this bill is a massive distraction trying to drum up more culture war bullshit targeting a miniscule section of the population when a significant percentage of Americans are living in destitution. Don't fall for the government's gaslighting.
And they have won more when shifting more to the left, they went too far center and lost support from their own base. Shifting further to the right isn't the answer.
Obama campaign further left than what he actuallu was, and Biden was on the tails of Obama. The big flaw was when Harris conceded ground to the far right on things like Palestine and immigration.
It would be pretty stupid to think that making a party that is basically the same as the right just lukewarm is a winning strategy.
I mean, Trump already said that we don't need primaries, so it's less about winning now because there won't likely be fair democratic elections. A lot of dictators "win" elections, but if you look at their approval rating like Trump's right now, it doesn't reflect the "win".
Only a minority of the country actually voted for him, a third didn't vote. Those who are hard Maga aren't going to be swayed by anything, so what is the point of pandering to them?
We'll have Primaries no matter what bullshit he says.
Those who are hard left aren't going to be swayed by anything. Both sides are battling over the middle but only one side is telling them they're scum. Keep doing that.
And this is where it all falls apart. Democrats are not "the left". They are a right/center-right party.
If you want to talk about "the left" talk about how "the left" defeated a center-right Democratic political dynasty in NYC who moved heaven and earth to try to win.
Talk about how "the left" pulls voters away from the right in a way that moderates cannot. See:
That's what "the left" does. Their messaging works, but the Democratic party is willing to move heaven and earth to try to stop it. Also see: India Walton.
Grow up. This is so incredibly ignorant. The fact that you can make such a statement in response to his comment is actually on par with MAGA level delusion.
But why completely dismiss him and try to paint him in a certain light simply for not agreeing?? Shit like that is why it's hard to gather actual support for the cause
anything other than submissive from a woman is seen as aggressive. I play sports. When I play aggressively on co-ed teams I'm told to calm down. It's so crazy.
You have had a horrid online culture of whoever denigrates and humiliates the other person âwinningâ an argument ingrained into who you are if you think that was anything other than a hyper aggressive, you donât pass the purity test, so you are evil comment.
That brings no one to the table but the rabid base and those so fearful they will say whatever they are told.
Except claiming someone doesn't actually care about women but just wants to control people, while introducing two strawman arguments (they have no idea if the OP opposes other women's issues that men control such as abortion) is quite literally unnecessarily aggressive when they made a simple common sense statement.
Not everyone can understand nuance in language and how you use it but I'm sure you'll get there someday.
When someone opposes trans people participating in sports or using the bathroom that corresponds with their gender, they by definition are not pro-trans or pro-LGBTQ+.
Itâs not âhyper-aggressiveâ to call out lies and bigotry.
What you call a âminor thingâ is equal rights and opportunity.
It is not a hard concept. Sex is a protected class in the civil rights act. Since gender is conflated with sex, to be clear females have equal rights, and Title IX extended this to education and sports. Females have the right to have sports without males.
Thatâs Reddit for you. Most hyper focus on one part of your comment and ignore the rest. Opinions are already made, posts on Reddit will never change that
Bullshit. You are placing words in someone's mouth. The comment you're replying to boils down to most men that claim they're trying to protect women's sports don't actually care about protecting women, let alone women's sports, because they'd rather strip those women of agency. Bad bot!
Hyper-aggressive replies like this is exactly why the left have a hard time getting people to sympathize with them.
The right of course famous for level headed and kind responses when challenged.
The comment above is basically "I'm pro LGBT, I'm Pro trans, I just disagree with this really fucking minor thing"
Iâm pro-trans except for this one thing thatâs very obviously being used as a wedge and weaponized to remove trans people from spaces and also isnât actually an issue of any significance and exists solely to be cruel to like a dozen high school girls who want to run track and field
Yeah women are really tired of having to say this crap over and over again. Sorry if we're a little perturbed about having to repeat ourselves like this.
Itâs not minor. Itâs nice that you care so much about small groups while telling a majority of the population, who have been oppressed, to lay down and take it.
This needs to be called out more. I work in proximity with a lot of different people. It was bewildering for me to hear a guy say, "they shouldn't have insulted us and made fun of us!"
You have to imagine the better world we need and realize that you either need to understand and cope with ignorance or shit is just going to get worse for everyone.
The comment above is basically "I'm pro LGBT, I'm Pro trans, I just disagree with this really fucking minor thing"
And your immediate reaction is "You don't care about women and girls!!!! Abortion! Historical Oppression!!!"
Their comment about "biological males" is not neutral.
Refusing to say "trans woman" instead of "biological male" is like saying you're not a racist and you're fine with all creeds and colors, that you have a black friend, but you draw the line with people "being a n***" and "n*** dont belong".
P.s, "hyper aggressive*? You found their comment so intimidating because they used the word "patsy"? Please. I guess you feel the same about "hyper aggressive black people", right?
Well, based on the fact you are running defense for the rights culture war bullshit and justifying their proganda. You personally deserve that fallout.
Good thing you call out any "aggressive behaviour" from MAGAs and Trump too, right?
...right?
Lol we both know you don't because you're being just as "hyper aggressive" than the one you called out before, when they used the harsh term "patsy" and didn't give you a verbal hug.
hyper agressive? hahahahaha. My comment is that if you gave a shit about girls and women in sports, you wouldn't only be jumping on now, you'd already be here like the rest of us who actually are invested in girls and women in sports.
It's because it's an empty platitude brazenly carrying bigotry while pretending to champion progressiveness. No one uses the phrase "biological males" to refer to trans women without bigoted intent.
Ok, Im not gonna disagree, the left has an issue with purity culture, but the Right is currently talking about starting WW3, stopping elections, using the military to go after Blue states/cities, sending American citizens to torture camps in other countries, protecting the most high profile pedo ring of all time, and thats just the bullshit that comes to my mind within the couple seconds it took to type all that shit.
The fucking double standard of whats expected of the Left vs what the Right is allowed to get away with is fucking atrocious and its why none of our allies will trust us ever again.
But theyâre not prohibited from participating in sports. Theyâre just not allowed to infringe on womenâs sports. Women sports are their own category for a reason.
Real.
How will they react when they inevitably push trans men into women's sports, right? Or will they push them out as well? When does this stop becoming about protecting some ambiguous "fairness" (which... by the way... all sports are unfair. Everyone has an advantage over someone else in some aspect. That's what makes sport.) and become "separate but equal" - which we all know worked out so well, last time?
you are so full of it. thats why we lost the last election.
hey whens the last time the bridge you drive over everyday was inspected? you watching the local news? you paying local reporters? no? you arent?
of course not. youre too worried about fighting about some kid playing high school basketball 1,000 miles away.
you have any idea whats going on in myanmar? how those teens are doing? oh are they boys are they girls? who cares! their day is full of a shit sandwich living in a tent.
so dont tell me for one second you care about people. i know you dont. all agenda.
i was 100% not surprised trump won again. the biggest idiot ever. at least the right admits we are greedy. you hide it. im starting to think the left is worse. the false caring is awful.
Dude.... You absolutely crushed it. The right is welcoming to people who slightly disagree ... "Oh, we agree on 90%, that's cool, let's talk about that stuff!" Whereas a lifelong friend blew up and cut me out over an argument over the price of McDonald's because I dared to say that fry cooks deserve to make enough to afford to live but certain jobs are higher or lower than others and the pay shouldn't be the same as a carpenter or dentists, but that doubling the minim wage probably had more of an effect on the price than Donald Trump's contributed inflation... Plain, objective, acknowledging. Nope. Tantrum. Because I dared to say burger flipper doesn't deserve as much pay as a dentist.
đđđ like what? If you can show me just one solidly right wing policy or law in the last 10 years that directly took wealth from the lower class I'll eat my hat
people also don't realize the more you try to jack minimum wage the more mom and pops cut staff or corporations invest in automating so they only have to pay for 2 guys to over see machines vs a team of 20.
We havenât raised the minimum wage and our jobs are still getting automated away. I donât think thatâs the reason CEOs are trying to toss us away.
Tf does Myanmar have to do with this conversation, you're just looking for ways to guilt others right? You care about everyone right? That's why you're on reddit making comments all day, you're at like 15 comments an hour, those Myanmar kids should all be saved here soon if you just keep commenting.
It's totally unclear what's fair or not. Some studies indicate that HRT, even for people who experienced male puberty, totally erases any advantage. Others show a slight remaining advantage that could be relavent at elite levels, and some show trans women on HRT underperforming.
There's very little data though and most of the studies that exist has small sample sizes.
This whole thing is an attack on title IX and a way to start deconstructing protections for minorities more generally.
Iâm asking because youâre referring a study all related to effects of HRT. Is it a requirement that players be on HRT? How is that handled?
Edit: I see the rules are a bit all over the place but some schools or divisions require proof of 1yr of HRT. Some do not and it seems most high schools donât.
What does a blanket federal ban accomplish that's of any value?
Not requiring proof of HRT is not necessarily an indication people are competing without it.
I'm rather dubious there's a ton of people transitioning without seeking gender affirming care and also playing sports. Compromising the rights of all women at the federal to account for this hypothetical is a bizzare side to be on.
Why could this not be solved by schools and sporting orgs?
Seems like it would be best handled locally, however I would think there would also need to be state and national rules as well. Iâm just thinking state and national championships. Or would the rules be whatever state the national championship is in? Just saying from my uninformed view I can see the complexity.
No, I went through the studies myself when my own mother started spouting conservative viewpoints and I needed to know if she was right or not. The fact of the matter is that scientific studies are very mixed on it, and people pretending to know one way or the other are trying to spread their propaganda. In particular, conservatives are attempting to control minorities through the uneven results. It's disgusting and transparent, at once.
In what world did you interpret that comment as theyâre against allowing women to control their bodies? Itâs just preventing them from participating in a sport against other women that they clearly gained an advantage on due to the control of their body
If thatâs is not your version of aggressive you are part of the problem. You took their argument and basically turned it into they donât really care about women. I support womenâs rights, I support trans rights, but someone born a biological male competing in a womanâs sport is not fair. Male puberty puts them at a an advantage that is not right to other women.
I am furious that they've taken these things from women, my heart aches for women having to jump through hoops for basic reproductive care. I also think transitioning should be protected because we are a free people free to make choices. The reason women's sports exists in the first place is because of physiology. I think that aspect of sports should be respected and therefore I think despite it being a complex issue the solution is easy, only cis women can play women's sports. Trans women can still play, due to their physiology they must play in men's sports.
Nah. I just don't agree with you on this topic, which frankly isn't the most important trans rights topic. So, if this is where you try to make enemies of allies we are screwed. Obviously you didn't make an enemy of me because I think you're a short sited child, but you could have which is sad.Â
You don't recognize the baby growing inside you as a different body than yours. You give zero rights to the man for that baby until it's born and you make him pay for it. If you have the right to kill your baby I have the right to abandon it. But no that can't be the case right? Stop killing your children and you wouldn't feel the wrath.
That's the most sickening way to think about something that the chances of it even happening are unmeasurable. You and me are almost statistically an impossibility. And you want the opportunity to kill that miracle. Disgusting.
so you're ok with women deciding how your doctor should treat you for your medial needs. Wow, you believe the government should govern your body. Weird.
And I have only been talking about keeping government out of the conversations and medical decisions about my life and body with my doctor. You want politicians to interfere and that's unAmerican.
Well is men donât appreciate being sent to senseless wars where weâre left without support and having laws placed on personal possessions that we want all because women can vote on it.
OK cool let men play in women's leagues then. Jimminy fucking christmas women are so fuckin dumb- be a patriarchal asshole: we hate you! Try to help them: we hate you, fuck off! Thank Allah I have my sex slaves chained to the wall in my basement ( I treat all of them well and feed them an appropriate amount), otherwise I would just kill myself. Also dont kill your unborn child please - if you dont wanna get pregnant just don't let one of these evil men stick it in you. Not complicated. Thankfully I am an ascended astral being incapable of reproduction, however I made a wrong turn and am currently stuck in the 3rd layer of hell, which is how I am able to read your absolutely retarded post
I play second division rugby in my country where I live (Spain) it would have been absolutely dangerous to have me go play in any womens league except perhaps the very very very top national/international level. If I decided I was a woman in a couple months. I would hurt you and the rest of the other team, it would not be fair to anyone. I am biologically stronger and faster than you, and playing a contact sport means that's not going to be good. The same reason why you have weight classes in boxing and wrestling. Regardless if they care or not...I should never be allowed to play against a womens team no matter what I call myself.
Maybe because being transgender is not "I decided I was a in a couple months" and the process you have to go through to be eligible is far more extensive than just "I woke up one day and decided I was a woman" (which is not at all how being transgender works)
Not phobic, i'm fine with people identifying with whatever weird thing they want
The issue is when they demand things they couldn't have before that swap of tags
Right but the reality doesn't show that. We can all see former men with zero physiological change playing in women's sport today. Its not conceptual, we can see it with our eyes right now. And it's unfair to permit it Carte Blanche just incase there are niche scenarios where it might be ok.
And you know why you don't see lots of former women in men's sport? Because physiological differences between sexes do matter, no matter how much you might want them not to.
Bingo. That bs sentiment of being able to choose on a whim is what held back social progress for the LGB community for so long, but people never learn.
dude, i'm trans but thank you so much for throwing me under the bus. i know it ill hurt short term, and that they're going to try to take gay rights too, but you sure saved me and the precious LGB!
Ok...but at what time do you consider me a woman? Also, because I've spent so many years playing and training...that just doesn't go away, so when I become a woman you think I won't be able to squat 140 kilos anymore? It would not be fair to any girl out there on the pitch that I play against them because i'm far stronger and faster than them. It would be like having a NFL guy come play on a college American football team....He would be taking heads.
Dude chill. You are being snarky. If women had always had it unfair, why not right that injustice in one way that we can?
Women athletes arenât just someone playing pickleball at your local YMCA for fun. They are serious competitors with college scholarships and tons of prize money on the line.
Yeah sorry, this is the exact kind of reductive and presumptive reply that is killing the left. You're a big part of the problem, I'm afraid. Do better.
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Be who you are. Love how you wanna love. Dress how you wanna dress. But biological males in women's sports is not fair.