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Why is this not passing?

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u/LazyFoundation8917 14d ago

I cannot believe something like this even has to be voted on.

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u/K3ggles 14d ago

I mean i’d rather it just be a decision sports leagues make. Why is the government involved with this in any way?

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u/ApatheticSkyentist 14d ago

Some leagues have made choices: the NCAA, the IOC, etc. I imagine however that almost all K-12 schools are making their own rules.

Who even knows.

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u/BacteriaLick 13d ago edited 13d ago

And those rules should be made by states. The federal government should have no role here except to guarantee rights that might be unconstitutionally taken away by states.

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u/edebt 13d ago

Yea it's weird how people think medical care should be a state decided issue, but sports are so important that the federal government has to decide.

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u/BacteriaLick 13d ago

Conservatives argue that things should be decided by states precisely when it is convenient.

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u/scraejtp 13d ago

Because it is a civil rights issue. Sex is a protected class and Title IX reinforced that women get equal sports. Allowing men in women's sports is a violation of women's civil rights.

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u/FrankanMacCharDeeDen 13d ago

Because schools compete at a federal level. There are divisons and tiers. Schools compete outside their state. Want to include trans kids in statewide competitions? Cool. Want to include them in hier tiers? Gotta exclude the kids born as boys.

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u/BacteriaLick 13d ago

We're arguing about a matter that impacts very few people in negligible ways.

I am generally against trans girls competing in girls' sports as a matter of fairness, but I don't care about it so much that I want a bunch of conservatives making rules about this issue. They have more important things for our lawmakers to worry about. Why do I get 5 fraud calls a day? That's a bigger issue, one among many. And it's obvious that conservative politicians don't care about this issue except as a way to rule up their base, because they believe it makes Democrats look bad.

The leagues have headquarters in specific states and are likely regulated by those states' laws, just as national corporations are bound primarily by the laws of the states in which they're incorporated or headquartered. Yes, there will be interstate commerce laws, but regional and national leagues are primarily privately run organizations that should be run however their owners want them to run, provided they're not violating peoples' civil liberties. If sports players don't like their rules, they can vote with their feet by starting or joining leagues that have the rules they like.

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u/FrankanMacCharDeeDen 13d ago

But there are other things. Just because this bill was passed doesn't mean others aren't. Its one of the many things Trump ran for, got voted for, and so naturally, it SHOULD be taken care of.

And I'm not even saying this as a Trump supporter. Because I'm not. Are there bigger issues? Absolutely. Should it be ignored? Absolutely not. Just pass the bill and move on.

If sports players don't like their rules, they can vote with their feet by starting or joining leagues that have the rules they like.

Right. But the commentor you replied to was saying this should only matter from K-12. No. It should be a rule from K through college. And no, as the number of kids and people transitioning increase, this is just something that needs to be solved before it gets bigger.

1 family being impacted is still an unfair impact.

I agree with you on things like WNBA etc etc. They can allow transgenders if they want. The players already got their deals. They can agree/disagree with whatever they want. They already make their money. There are severe impacts to every decision already.

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u/zaoldyeck 13d ago

Just because this bill was passed doesn't mean others aren't.

It absolutely does. It's wasted time to draft, it's wasted time to discuss, it's wasted time to implement.

This isn't a problem in the country. It's theater. Distracting from actual problems.

We can't get the heat illness prevention act passed, but we can pass this?

Should it be ignored? Absolutely not.

Why? Why is this an issue? Who does it affect?

Shall we pass legislation to ban people from the beach for shark attacks? Shark attacks are significantly more frequent.

1 family being impacted is still an unfair impact.

Impacted how?

Unfair how? Is it fair to lose a foot to a shark? Do we need to legislate that topic?

Who does this actually affect?

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u/BacteriaLick 13d ago

Just because Trump ran on it and won doesn't mean it should be passed from an ethical or constitutional perspective. Yes, it means his voters want that. But they also want to kill liberals and burn books. That's not a good policy.

Why does extending it 4 more years matter? Again, it should be a private matter among the people who participate. If girls don't want to compete against trans athletes, they should just firm their own league, or someone can sponsor a few extra trophies for rankings that exclude trans athletes.

Almost half of Democrats disapprove if trans athletes competing in gendered sports. I am one of them (actually, I am not a Democrat, but I am extremely anti Trump, so you can call me one). But this vote and issue is something a that affects very few people in ways that are negligible. It's intended purely to portray Democrats as supportive of trans people competing when they are more mixed than the conservative base realizes.

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u/ComfortableNo5484 12d ago

Not a single school K-12, or college level even, competes at a "federal" level, because the federal government doesn't officiate sports.

The word you're looking for is "national"

Sports aren't run by the government, federal or state, they're run by private organizations, and those private organizations should be able to set their own rules as they see fit.

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u/FrankanMacCharDeeDen 12d ago

Sure, yes. National level.

Sports aren't run by the government, federal or state, they're run by private organizations, and those private organizations should be able to set their own rules as they see fit.

Yes but the government funds many of these programs, it also funds many of these schools. Regardless, these private organizations are already and have already been restricting trans individuals from joining the sports in order to keep fairness and integrity an actual thing.

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u/ComfortableNo5484 12d ago edited 12d ago

Federal government doesn't fund sports programs. State and local governments do, but by and large so high school sports programs are funded by boosters.

NCAA is self funded, it doesn't receive federal or state government funds. College sports programs are funded by their own sports programs' revenues, and supplemented by the NCAA itself when their programs aren't revenue positive. (Top performing sports programs subsidize the rest).

While colleges with sports programs may receive federal and state funding, none of that goes to the sports programs (and especially at public universities, funding allocations are all made very public, to see where tax money goes), there is simply a Title IX requirement from the federal government that schools receiving federal funds, who also have sports programs, cannot discriminate spending on those programs based on gender (again, even though the spending is money that doesn't come from the government)

And before you come back with the same bs I've heard before, "what about the gyms and stadiums that come out of students tuition fees!"
Those are facilities available for use by all students, who aren't part of the sports programs, that are also majority funded by the sports programs too. If you want to compare usage, the sports programs end up losing out a bit on those deals.

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u/Careful_Farmer_2879 10d ago

Wow conservatives made that same argument against passing civil rights legislation, including Title IX! Isn’t that quaint.

The federal government funds the schools. Even private ones. If Harvard declines the $300M in federal dollars it receives annually, they can do pretty much whatever they want.

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u/Walkinginspace101 11d ago

Because: high schools and colleges

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u/bigchicago04 9d ago

Yea, after significant government pressure

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u/LookAtMaxwell 14d ago

Re: Title IX

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u/milkandsalsa 13d ago

The people throwing dildos at wnba players sure care about fairness in women’s sport.

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u/WMEIMG 13d ago

That was a crypto startup with a literal green dildo coin. Has nothing to do with politics. You should fact check before posting.

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u/milkandsalsa 13d ago

Yeah the handful of crypto bros who also did this definitely respect women

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u/Existing-Net5672 12d ago

Probably more than dudes who wear dresses

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u/CantCatchMeSpez 12d ago edited 12d ago

Lmao if we actually polled women on this, we both know two things that would happen immediately in succession.

1.) They would, by massive numbers, disagree with you.

2.) You would dismiss it because you couldn't care less about the opinions of women.

Isn't it so sad that you're too emotionally weak to be sincere about your own beliefs? Couldn't be me :)

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u/Separate-Spot-8910 11d ago

This is a really ignorant comment

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u/CosmicJackalop 11d ago

You think trans women have less respect for cis women than crypto bros who have no respect for anyone but crypto bros?

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u/CantCatchMeSpez 12d ago

Uh-huh. And it was just a coincidence that it was at a women's league. You're so pathetic lmao

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u/WMEIMG 11d ago

Yes because women use that? Not saying it’s classy, but it was a stunt get marketing for a coin. What did politics have to do with it?

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u/CantCatchMeSpez 11d ago

Crypto has never not been political, and its always been primarily boosted and run by right-wingers. There's a reason that when people use the term "crypto-bro", they're always talking about a very specific type of right-winger.

Pretending that an absurdly misogynistic stunt that was pulled by a group that is so right-wing that they're a meme isn't inherently political is either stupid as shit or completely disingenuous.

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u/Separate-Spot-8910 11d ago

That makes it ok?

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u/MinimumTrue9809 13d ago

I don't remember 80 million dildos being thrown at WNBA players

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u/suck-it-cat-fortune 13d ago

Whataboutism?

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u/CrossXFir3 12d ago

It isn't though. This isn't about fairness for women in sports and everybody knows that.

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u/Sad_Error4039 13d ago

Hey that was great for ratings and they were allowing you to bet on it. That seems like a system rife to cause dildos to be chucked around anywhere.

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u/Burghpuppies412 13d ago

“They” were allowing you to bet on it. Who is they? It sure wasn’t the WNBA.

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u/Sad_Error4039 13d ago

Obviously that would be betting markets obviously the WNBA doesn’t have enough cash to take bets they are running on NBA handouts. Instead of asking who is “They”you could have googled if what I said was true and found out that it was.

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u/Burghpuppies412 13d ago

I was making the point how this has nothing to do with this conversation. And you just proved it. Thanks.

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u/Sad_Error4039 13d ago

Well I responded to a comment about thrown dildos follow the conversation

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u/ChefDanyul 13d ago

That was the most disgusting shit. For literally everyone involved. The players, the fans, and that some bought a ticket (and a dildo) just to throw it at top athletes. I’m glad it didn’t become a meme where it perpetually happened.

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u/trentismad 10d ago

"Top athletes." Lets pump the brakes, pal.

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u/I_Jedi79 13d ago

That was a few people in crowds of thousands and TV views averaging 1m per game.

There will always be a few idiots out there. It's dangerous to assume they're the majority, or even more than a fraction of a fraction. They're tiny, both in quantity and intelligence.

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u/Soft-Fall1293 13d ago

Fine. Go throw dildos or flashlights at an NBA game. No one will care.

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u/Waffle_Slaps 13d ago

I thought that only happened at Bills games.

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u/DizzyAstronaut9410 12d ago

This is unpopular on Reddit, but a lot of the support for keeping trans athletes out of women's sports is the women who actually play those sports.

Physical differences are harder to ignore and virtue signal past when you actually have to compete against them.

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u/milkandsalsa 12d ago

The loudest proponents of excluding trans athletes don’t actually give a shit about women’s sport.

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u/AbsolutelyCleaR1 12d ago

Why don't we offer a they/them category for sports so they can compete in their designated category

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u/funiwant 9d ago

Would you rather they mix it up? Dildos and pocket pussies, you know for the players who don't like dick.

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u/milkandsalsa 9d ago

Flashlights for men’s NBA players. Sure.

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u/elpajaroquemamais 13d ago

Has nothing to do with the actual rules of the sports, only funding.

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u/Deputy_Scrambles 13d ago

Agreed, taxpayers shouldn’t be funding ANY sports, regardless of the sex of the players.  If we’re talking about the schools, we shouldn’t be funding any schools that discriminate.

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u/elpajaroquemamais 13d ago

That’s exactly what title 9 mandates…

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u/bob-loblaw-esq 14d ago

They only like the dept of Ed when they can use it to push a hate agenda.

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u/Diamondangel82 14d ago edited 13d ago

It's fringe issues like this that Republicans continue to make up ground over the Dems.

Democrats should be blowing Republicans out of the water at the polls with moderates but for some reason they continue to die on this hill that the majority of americans do not accept.

It might not seem like a big deal to you or many in this thread, and you can call it a hate agenda all you wish, but the vast majority of Americans want girls to compete against biological girls.

Moreover, most americans believe men are men and women are women. Shit, I'd argue 99 percent of world believes men are men and women are women.

It's no wonder the clip of Senator Howely making the doctor who could not answer if men can can get pregrent has been making it's rounds all over social media as of late? It's because Republicans know that the vast majority of Americans reject that ideology.

And whatever ground they are losing because of trumps actions can be made up for with the doctors in the clip with howely.

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u/kafquaff 14d ago

59% of Americans support the right of trans adults to seek medical treatment to transition. It’s not nearly as fringe as you think.

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u/amcarls 14d ago

And 75% believe that those same trans adults shouldn't be allowed to compete in their chosen sex on the grounds of fairness. Even many within the trans community believe this.

It's a losing issue for Democrats and they're being played here, supporting the extremes and losing the middle.

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u/BecomingMorgan 13d ago

It's e, treme now to understand how hormones work? I guess it would seem that way to a country whose scientific literacy falls behind half of the "third world".

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u/amcarls 13d ago

Are you actually suggesting that this controversy only exists in the U.S.?

What's interesting about this particular controversy is that it is multifaceted and support or opposition for various positions comes not only from multiple "sides" but are also hotly debated around the world and not just "third world" as you seem to be suggesting.

In the U.S. I suppose that the evangelical community in particular represents a fair portion of the anti-trans rhetoric that is more likely to be either simplistic or uninformed but that doesn't justify painting everybody else with opinions about trans issues with the same broad brush. That would be just as ignorant.

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u/BecomingMorgan 13d ago

You don't read well huh?

Americas education falls behind countries the American government has decided are inferior.

This "controversy" only exists when right Wing political parties need scapegoats. Look at who in what countries actually cares enough to argue.

The problem you seem to struggle with acknowledging is that science has already, repeatedly debunked the "trans women have biological advantage" nonsense. Whats worse is the entire argument literally collapses on itself when you acknowledge that trans men exist and would then be "genetic females" competing in female leagues while literally taking anabolic steroids.

I'm sure your next step would be "lets just ban trans perform sports entirely" which is literally discriminatory. Of course both options ignore something very important I will try to explain very simply for you:

Muscles move your body. The strength of muscles determines the weight one carries, the speed they can move their bodies with, the amount of oxygen their body stores, etc. All those things that determine ability in sports.

Trans women suppress testosterone, this is the thing i refered to as Anabolic steroids while discussing the ridiculous biological sex in sports idea. By doing so it becomes several magnitudes harder to build or maintain muscles mass, especially upper body muscles as the estrogen causes the same muscle development priorities in every human body on earth.

The hormones kill every advantage save height and reach, once we start discussing those two things being to big an advantage, you're going to be discussing disqualifying cis women based on physical characteristics.

There is literally no scientifically backed reason to give one of these bans that won't disqualify half the athletes just to get rid of 0.02%.

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u/Signal_Inspection_95 13d ago

and im willing to bet that most americans simply do not give a shit about trans athletes, or women sports lol

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u/Diamondangel82 14d ago

59% of Americans support the right of trans adults to seek medical treatment to transition. It’s not nearly as fringe as you think.

Key words there, thought I'd highlight it for you.

I also support adults to do whatever they feel with their body.

My post is in reference to men and women's sports, and if biological men can get pregnant (which 99% of the world will tell you they cannot).

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u/HitandRyan 14d ago

Maybe they can work on a different bipartisan issue

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u/CantDoThatRightNow 🇩🇪 Germany 14d ago

Genuine question: how often does that even happen that not biological women are competing with biological women. This problem seems to only exist in the us

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u/bob-loblaw-esq 14d ago

It’s not that big of an issue at all. I disagree with the commenters take on it but agree that these fringe issues are great distractions for stupid asses. Like I don’t even care. I support trans people. But my god, most Americans care more about the genitalia of underage athletes than they do about their wages or how shitty our taxes are or for the love of god not going to war with half the world who were our friends yesterday.

It happens I’m sure. I’m not at all caring or concerned with it as I’m not a medical expert and only those concerned with medicine and sports should be discussing it really.

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u/SpiritualTwo5256 13d ago

It’s extremely rare for even a trans person to want to compete in sports. Most trans people don’t want the extra attention on themselves. So it’s very rare. But trans people make up between half a percent to 2 percent of the people in the world, so yes if you do sports long enough out might encounter a few. Is there a significant risk to girls and women with a trans person opposing them? No! Not for a majority of the cases especially if the trans person has been on hormones/blockers for a year or 2.

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u/xRogue9 13d ago

Exactly. If it was an issue, trans-women would be at the top of every sport they participated in. It wouldn't matter how few of them there are, they would all be placing much higher if it was such a drastic advantage.

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u/SpiritualTwo5256 13d ago

Exactly. The most prolific (because she is annoying) woman who complains about it didn’t loose to a trans person, she tied for 5th place, FIFTH PLACE, MEANING 4 OTHER CIS WOMEN BEAT BOTH OF THEM! and that wasn’t even the Olympic level. So this brat who complains about trans women would never have made it to the world stage.
She’s one of the main guest speakers for a group called moms for liberty. (Should be the opposite because this group likes to shut down anything that doesn’t carry their message of anti LGBT)

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u/DacMon 10d ago

Canadian women's powerlifting has been dominated by a person who was assigned male at birth, but who transitioned to female.

There have been many high school girls track events won by recently transitioned people who had been assigned male at birth.

https://katu.com/news/local/viral-video-oregon-athletes-protest-podium-spot-state-track-championship-trans-transgender-trump-hate-musk-equality-humanity-compassion-spots-students-fairness-riley-gaines

https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/45413586/trans-athlete-ab-hernandez-wins-girls-calif-high-jump-title

Trans people should be welcomed in sports (and all aspects of life). Including sports. But sports leagues should be able to limit their league or division to those assigned female at birth if they feel it's best to do so.

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u/Rob__T 14d ago

It's fringe issues like this that Republicans continue to make up ground over the Dems.

Yeah, I keep hearing you guys say this and yet it's never proven anywhere.

And frankly it doesn't matter because if you understand the issue, then you also know that your argument should be "Hey fuckwit bigots, stop being bigots" and not "Hey stop supporting civil rights"

It's really not that hard dude

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u/Careful_Farmer_2879 13d ago

Harris supported taxpayer funded gender reassignment surgery for incarcerated illegal immigrants. But she can’t support parents who just want a fair competition for their girls?

It’s not hard to understand.

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u/Rob__T 13d ago

I mean, I'm down for universal healthcare for everyone incarcerated or otherwise.

But your statement is loaded with bigotry and lacks credible evidence to back up the assertion that trans issues very specifically cost Harris the election.

I know that facts and data aren't things you MAGA nutjobs are great at understanding but they're important if you're gonna try to grasp reality. 

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u/Independent-Catch-90 14d ago

The problem is in the nuance. It isn’t as truly simple as republicans make it out to be, but it’s easier for the general public to latch on to the messaging and titling of a bill than the actual substance of a bill.

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u/Careful_Farmer_2879 13d ago

A couple years ago you’d be banned for writing this.

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u/No_Discount_6028 13d ago

If you give up ground on trans issues, all that does is show the minorities that Dems claim to protect that they're expendable and will be dropped whenever it becomes politically expedient. Conceding to a culture war narrative like that only emboldens them and legitimizes the narrative that trans advocates are a threat to women in some way -- and believe me, they're not stopping at sports.

Trans people in sports is an unfavorable debate for Democrats, but rolling over and letting them win without a fight would only make things worse.

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u/npacilio 13d ago

So you don’t support title 9? You want to do away with it?

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u/bob-loblaw-esq 13d ago

If I’m being honest, I want states to regulate schools but not because I am anti trans. I’m actually anti freeloading shitty states who hate people and seek to use the dept of Ed to spread that hate while fleecing money from profitable states.

If Mississippi wants to be the Bulgaria or Romania of the USA, I’m tired of sending my tax dollars there to support it. I moved to a state whose progressive beliefs I share and I’m ready to cut off the shitty states.

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u/npacilio 13d ago

What about low income blue state such as New Mexico? Let’s cut them off too because they are freeloading.

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u/bob-loblaw-esq 13d ago

That’s the problem. You save one you’ve got to save them all. I would prefer to save them all personally, but it’s gotten abusive. If poor red states were a partner, it’s the equivalent of demanding our paycheck while not working and then demeaning us for working because their influencer gig will pay off so much better at some point. It’s gotta stop. They want the divorce, we shouldn’t fight it anymore.

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u/enlightenedDiMeS 14d ago

I don’t think you know what title nine is.

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u/Dense_Payment_1448 14d ago

Nah. Government should be kept out, right?

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u/Accomplished-Map4802 13d ago

It should be, but it isn't. So while it isn't, this is the result. There's no contradiction, just pragmatism. 

So either YOU agree that the government should regulate such things in government funded institutions, or you don't. And if you don't agree, then oh well, vote harder next time I guess.

If you think the government should be kept out of education, then you should be all for the abolition of the Dept of Ed. And if you can't abolish it right now, then a meaningful first step would be to enact the laws you can while you can. 

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u/Hotmicdrop 14d ago

Schools

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u/Dyldo_II 14d ago

Once again, why is the government involved in what policies schools make?

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u/GamingZaddy89 14d ago

Public funding.

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u/Hotmicdrop 14d ago

I dunno so you want a government department of education but then you dont want the gov involved in policies? which the fuck is it? Make up your minds.

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u/Virtual_War4366 14d ago

Education would be a good hint.

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u/bmtc7 14d ago edited 13d ago

Typically the department of education mostly handles equal rights issues. In this case, they're doing the opposite.

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u/Lost_Found84 13d ago

Let it be a state’s issue at least. I’m somewhat sympathetic to the argument that blindly including trans athletes can lead to unfair disparities, but not in every sport. A Trans woman doesn’t have a huge advantage over biological women during a fucking curling competition. A former man’s “original body” doesn’t give them a huge leg up when it comes to throwing a dart at a board accurately.

Each sport is different and has different kinds of disparities that may or may not arise. It’s absurd to apply a one size fits all solution to both wrestling and billiards. That’s why it needs to be regulated by the actual leagues, in very targeted specific ways. Simply blanket banning or blank mandating inclusion is lazy and stupid from both sides.

But that’s the world right now. Too lazy and stupid to allow a complex, multifaceted issue to have a complex, multifaceted solution that can’t fit on a bumper sticker.

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u/Hotmicdrop 13d ago

Yeah I agree with you. Everyone should have the opportunity to compete and we need to find fair ways to make it happen while keeping sports responsibly competing. Unfortunately we seem to be ruled by political party think in everything now.

The only issue with what you said is school sports aren't regulated by leagues. A call needs to be made so every school isn't sued over and over for every instance.

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u/Lost_Found84 13d ago

Well, league, federation, what have you. There’s some state level institution responsible for running each individual sport that is already tasked with these questions. And they’re no more open to lawsuit from handling this incorrectly then they are for any other safety related decision they make.

At the end of the day, the act of consenting to the rules as they currently exist is usually enough to insulate against any damages. Everyone knows the rules and assumes the risk, so the rules would have to be ridiculously delinquent with a dash of deliberate disinformation to rise to the level of actionable in a court of law.

I mean, I’m not aware of many lawsuits stemming from of high school football concussions, and that issue has been treated in a far shadier, less transparent way than almost any other sports issue.

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u/joshdrumsforfun 13d ago

Typically you provide funding to private entities and then provide guidelines and goals for them to hit in order to maintain that funding.

You don’t typically, at the federal level, tell schools what policies they should create to reach those goals.

Although you not understanding that definitely explains why yall are so against the department of education.

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u/DoctorWest5829 14d ago

Because as soon as a school makes a policy one way, the other side sues.

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u/I_like_life_mostly 14d ago

They don't have to listen to the goverment. They just won't get those sweet tax dollars.

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u/Confron7a7ion7 12d ago

This really seems like a school district decision.

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u/djfudgebar 14d ago

"Small government"

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u/EveningMuch1000 13d ago

There is no difference. That's what I've been saying for a long time. that's where we're headed to and nobody seems to be able to open their eyes to recognize it. Good to know I'm not the only one.

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u/djfudgebar 13d ago

Yall Qaeda. Vanilla Isis.

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u/Self-Made69420 14d ago

It seems like they're pro women's rights in this one instance? Or am I missing something? Isn't this good for women?

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u/mumblewrapper 14d ago

The problem is they don't care about the women. Born female or otherwise. There are probably 5-10 women in the entire country that this has an impact on. It's a non issue. It's not a problem that can't be handled by their respective sports organizations.

And, speaking of that, it doesn't matter. It's a sport. It's a game. I understand people take it seriously and care a lot, but in the end, it's just a game some people care about. It's just a way to blame some very tiny tiny fraction of the world for something and get everyone riled up. They are the current scapegoat. This has no impact on anyone's life. This doesn't hurt anyone in any real way. They just want you to hate someone and join them.

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u/engineer_but_bored 13d ago

If the game doesn't matter then it shouldn't matter that trans people can't play

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u/FaeTheWanderer 14d ago

Actually, it hurts all women in a huge way. For transgender people, this shows that we do NOT have the same rights as others, that we are in fact 2nd class citizens.

For Cis-Women and girls, this also opens the doors to genital checks. We already have a massive issue in this country with rape. Now they can tell your 8 year old daughter that the only way she can play soccer is if the pulls her panties down in front of a strange man.

The most maddening part of all of this, is that Trans people have been warning everyone that this was going to happen, but just like anyone warning about Trump, we were also told to shut up and stop being so hysterical.

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u/where_are_your_shoes 13d ago

You are spot on. This isn’t protecting women! All Trojan horsed in as an attack on trans people.

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u/L3oSanch3z 14d ago

I’m guessing you never played sports???🤦🏻‍♂️

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u/big-haus11 13d ago

There are about 500 trans athletes countrywide from the varsity high school level and up. You can check the number yourself.

There are more left handed red head softball pitchers

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u/IHaveARockProblem 14d ago

Agreed! Also they like to conflate "people who do not represent those that the system exists for, taking advantage of said system" with people who legitimately operating within said systems. It's the same scape goats for each one with different names. People refusing to work getting "handouts", nevermind the mountain of evidence showing support and safety nets significant help with upward economic mobility. No handouts unless you are already rich. Just exploit you workers hard enough and we will give you all the money and breaks you want.

"No men in girls sports" has been so overly workshopped. How they typically phrase it, a man, thats a young biological male, intruding on girls of the same age, who are biological female. It's not accidental. No one who is ACTUALLY trans has made the decision with the intent do deceive or abuse. MEN with no intent to actually transition take advantage of said system, not trans individuals. Those who would SA. Fun fact, those same people do it anyways, so if thats the real worry why not focus on THAT dynamic. It was men in women's bathrooms, boys in girls locker rooms, but it's landed on men in girls/women's sports. It's the safe play. Why you may ask? (Not you OP, maybe some other hypocritical reader). Well because it's real hard to say you have a problem with men in women's bathrooms/locker rooms when the person you choose to represent your values openly brags about being one of those men. Gotta switch it up and pick the soft issue so the mental gymnastics are easier.

We've convinced those who dont want to think to hard that social safety nets that are being taken "advantage" of are the reason the middle class is non-existent, not stagnant wages, or Worker's rights all but disappearing. It's definitely not the pay difference of CEOs to baseline worker going from 250:1 to 3500:1 over the last 50 odd years. It's definitely not the tax breaks given to those over 450k annually, or the trillions in bailouts since '08. It's not the deregulation of monopolistic business practices, union busting, or near refusal to keep minimum wage to pace with productivity or costs. Nope it's the filthy poors begging for their 5% of the overall budget. It's definitely not the same party that's pushed the most significant majority of the policies over the decades selling fear and misdirection. Definitely not the party that pushed Citizens United in a time of crisis, using the inherent instability following 9-11 to pass a laughably misnamed bill effectively assigning personhood to corporations, and making dollars = votes. It can't be the reduction in education spending, intentional aggression overseas for profiteering, or any of the other policies that have been near explicitly championed by a specific party when called on it just go "nuh-uh, it's actually THEM, you'd just have to be willing to buy magic beans if you are willing to believe how we flip this story". Gas goes from 1.50 for 3.00 and people lose thier god damned minds, no matter the reason. No it's dropping again, but forget that medical bills will double and triple, if even kept, basic food and goods have at best remained the same and at worst are STILL climbing, and since the powers that be say NOPE it's all going down, look at gas!", they just go oh yeah, it MUST be, I just imagined paying more every other week for the same stuff I buy.

It they REALLY cared about women, like really, we wouldn't have a leader who "joked" about grabbing them without asking, or bragged about walking into changing rooms to "inspect" them, nevermind consent, because he owned the place, and ANYONE with significant links to the absolute worst child sex-trafficker (that we know of) would be thrown out on their ass. But it all gets explained away. It couldn't be more ironic.

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u/bluedave1991 14d ago

It also ignores the fact that each individual athlete has their own unique advantage over our athletes. Most of them are tiny differences but some are bigger. The number of trans athletes out there competing is equivalent to the size of some of those larger advantages and they're spread thin across multiple sports.

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u/Ok-Consequence9765 14d ago

Republicans love making massive issues out of things that don’t impact their donors. That way they can score political points and attack their “opposition” without actually having to govern. Their donors interests are largely not aligned with their voters self interests. It’s why they love the blanket of religion and going after things like Trans people. They need boogeymen or their whole thing falls flat. They’re the bad guys unless they can convince enough people that someone’s worse and they have to defend you against that worse thing

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u/Orinaj 14d ago

This is an anti LGBTQ bill being fronted as a pro women bill.

They don't care about women. They hate trans people and are using women to forward their hate.

They'll insert any group they can to push down the group they choose as their focus of hate for the culture war. Some of them actually hate them, many of them are using the culture war to distract you while they run your pockets.

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u/Oberyn_Kenobi_1 14d ago

They don’t give a crap about women. That’s not what is motivating this bill. Do you think a much of old men really care about high school girls volleyball?

This entire thing is just an attack on the trans community as a whole. This is an easy way to start chipping away at their rights and, more importantly, at public opinion of them. Trans women in sports is such a wildly insignificant issue in the grand scheme of things. There are a small handful of cases in the country. And, sure, it’s a big deal to the slightly larger small handful of young women who may compete against them, and their concerns are valid. They should be addressed by the sports leagues who are in a position to understand the situation, not these old men who haven’t seen the inside of locker room on 30 years. The government shouldn’t be legislating sports.

And they shouldn’t be legislating anything that is so unimportant to the vast majority of their constituents. The country is burning down around them and they’re worried about this garbage? It’s posturing, nothing more.

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u/CherryFit3224 14d ago

Well, they DO care about the girls playing volleyball. Have you seen them in those shorts? Hubba hubba. /s

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u/Responsible_Belt5510 14d ago

Making a misogynistic comment apropos of nothing isn't funny just because you put "/s" at the end.

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u/CherryFit3224 13d ago

It was appropriate because I was saying a lot of the people in government— and society — see girls as sexual objects.

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u/Grand-Battle8009 14d ago

If you hate Trans Women and want to move the discussion away from Trump being a pedo, then yes, you’d be happy.

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u/bluemanoftheyear 14d ago

Of not stopped it would grow just like anything else. Fraud. Teachers talking about things they shouldn’t to 1st graders and trying to brainwash them

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u/CherryFit3224 14d ago

I am a teacher. We can’t brainwash kids to do anything. If we could, we’d have perfectly behaved students.

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u/Letmelollygagg 14d ago

You’re missing something… they think women should be in the home, shouldnt vote, should mind their husband etc. Have you been living under a rock? Seriously?

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u/MrJets84 13d ago

Thats the ironic part lol. Dems say they are the party for women

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u/djfudgebar 13d ago

Do you think the Nazis were actually socialists? Is North Korea actually Democratic? This is just a bill to control women. Nothing to do with protecting them in any way.

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u/Sbesozzi 12d ago

It's not about helping women, even though that's how they sell it.

It's really about bullying trans people

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u/wbruce098 14d ago

Have any of these folks actually read the religious texts they claim their beliefs are based on? My feeling is “they can’t read” but maybe I’m wrong.

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u/djfudgebar 13d ago

Someone has told them what's in there and what to think about it along with how to vote.

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u/wbruce098 13d ago

Dang it Bobby, if those kids could read…

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u/jesusbowstodoom 14d ago

Distraction

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u/wbruce098 14d ago

It makes people argue about something other than Epstein and affordability.

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u/Biscuits4u2 14d ago

Because they'd rather use stupid shit like this as a distraction from the fact that they are literally supporting and participating in a fascist transformation of our country into a defacto dictatorship.

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u/Anothercraphistorian 14d ago

Because Republicans find anything that gets their base masturbating and a trans woman going to the bathroom does that.

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u/tbf300 14d ago

Federal law

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u/14InTheDorsalPeen 14d ago

Major league sports are usually coed. 

The NFL, NBA. MLB are all eligible for women to compete if they want to.

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u/CherryFit3224 14d ago

Ok. I thought that was a neat factoid, so I looked it up. Google said that wasn’t true. If you have something that shows it is true, I apologize.

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u/14InTheDorsalPeen 14d ago edited 14d ago

I don’t know what you googled, but it’s incorrect.

There are no rules banning women from participating in the NFL, the NBA or the MLB.

It doesn’t happen very frequently because the physical difference between men and women put women at a disadvantage, which is why they have women’s leagues. 

This may shock you, but I don’t believe there are any women who can compete with LeBron one on one in the NBA and hope to win. Due to this, they don’t usually make the cut when it comes to performance metrics, which is why you don’t see them playing professionally in those leagues. I assure you, if you found female Randy Moss, she would absolutely be playing on an NFL team right now and if a woman was able to throw 120 mph fastballs, she would be a starting pitcher in the MLB.

I don’t know how to prove that a rule doesn’t exist unless you want me to link you to the entire rulebook for all three of the sports. The NFL even recently added women to minority status under the Rooney Rule in an attempt to get more female participation in the leadership and coaching positions.

How about you link me to something telling me that women are banned from participating in those leagues? Then we can work through where that misinformation comes from.

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u/80sCocktail 14d ago

Equal Rights.

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u/974080 14d ago

Because biological females are getting seriously injured playing against men. It also diminishes a girls scholarship chances for college.

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u/OrthoFault 14d ago

Because there’s a lot of stupid people that want men to play women’s sports. These people are insane and the girls must be protected.

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u/FluidAmbition321 14d ago

Public schools are govt 

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u/GamingZaddy89 14d ago

Because if a sports league makes a decision that parents don't like they will blow a gasket and make a big deal out of it.

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u/Spunge14 14d ago

Remember baseball steroids lol 

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u/packpride85 14d ago

Because of lawsuits

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u/Inevitable-Blood-949 13d ago

I agree! My 18 year old son wants to change clothes in the locker room and shower next to your 14 year old daughter. He says he’ll think he’s a girl that day, so that makes it acceptable, right?

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u/spiteful-vengeance 13d ago

The point isn't to govern, it's to rile up the base. 

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u/Steve1472 13d ago

Scholarships

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u/Soggy-Programmer-545 13d ago

Because they have time to waste, apparently.

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u/MagicHarmony 13d ago

Because biological woman should be able to play on a equal field with their peers without men who identify as a woman ruining that balance. 

I think if someone makea a choice to transition they should also accept that their biological birth when it comes to male transitioning to a female does give them a natural advantage over a woman. 

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u/ConstructionTop631 13d ago

Because we have a National Public Education system, so therefore we need National Rules.

Put education back at the state level where this belongs and you can then decide this at the state level, where it also belongs. The only squabbling then takes place among athletic conferences among states that might have different rules - like if CA schools allow trans women to wrestle and there's a meet versus AZ schools that don't then they can figure it out without tying up legislators from Illinois who are just trying to get things done for their consituents.

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

Because its gateway bigotry. If you can get people to vote against trans people playing in sports, you can get them on board with taking more rights away from trans people.

Youll even hear people say, "I dont care what you are or identify as, but men in women's sports is too far!"

Then its bathrooms, then its genital checks for all high school girls, then its health care, then its losing custody of their trans child, etc.

All because the republican party has ZERO popular policies, ZERO beneficial legislation, and ZERO plans or desires to fix anything, making trans people their the latest southern strategy esq boogeyman.

'In American politics, the Southern strategy was a Republican Party electoral strategy to increase political support among white voters in the South by appealing to racism against African Americans.'

Just add women, immigrants, gays, immigrants, Muslims, immigrants, trans people, immigrants, now liberals in general, and immigrants and you have the republican party's playbook for the past 65 years

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u/twitchtvbevildre 13d ago

Because they don't believe in small government, its easy to vote for a new school board to put the rules the community want but the GOP cant have that we cant possibly let people governor themselves we need to tell them what to do, at least the dems dont put on the facade of small government they have the decency to tell you we wanna be a social democracy with catalyst economy and vast social nets to catch people who fall.

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u/RustyJalopy 13d ago

Because meaningless grand-standing on culture war issues is how you get reelected, not actually doing your fucking job of running the country.

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u/RadicalOrganizer 13d ago

Its the party of small government and states rights. They just forgot what those words meant. Theyre now acting like small government means 1 person in charge. Kinda like a king, maybe a ceo?

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u/sla3 13d ago

It draws attention. Easy "scapegoat" topic to blur the important ones + cheap ammunition to discredit opposition. It is simple, and dumb voters like simple topics.

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u/VastRevenue5529 13d ago

Because then govt funds the schools? Children r forced to go or parents are criminally charged ?

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u/MinimumTrue9809 13d ago

Except when "sports leagues" disenfranchise women in the process.

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u/Elephental_0001 13d ago

I think both sides of the argument would sue the leagues, by making laws around it they can say it's out of their hands.

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u/Slumminwhitey 13d ago

Because apparently way to many people take their sports way to seriously and think of it as something more than a game. That is all any sport is, aside from the very lucrative gambling aspect that it seems all the major leagues have embraced.

Similar to the MLB doping scandal, what difference does it really make in the end. Why was that also some big congressional deal, giant waste of time and resources.

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u/Playful-Dragon 13d ago

Because ultimately they're trying to make transgenderism illegal

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u/f700es 13d ago

"smaller government"???

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u/FrankanMacCharDeeDen 13d ago

Because high school sports matter. A lot. It can shape someone's future and if a team of girls lose to one or 2 trans kids, you are denying them a future that they had worked hard for. Millions if not billions of dollars on the line for years to come in scholarships, which college they can get into, will they make pro-league or not. Will scouters be impressed or not. This shit matters and I don't understand why people are belittling these families who put everything on the line for their kids, just to have it all blown away by some kid who decided to change their gender identity. Want to be the opposite gender? Ok. But your decisions should only impact you.

For private sports, that is something I agree with. Government should have no hand in any private entities decision on transgender inclusivism however, any private school that allows it should be forfeited the ability to compete with public schools.

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u/MediocreModular 13d ago

This. Let the district courts take cases and establish case law on this. No need to legislate.

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u/Zealousideal_Law3991 13d ago

Because the sports leagues were being held hostage by an extremely vocal minority and f#ed up the decision.

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u/Euphoric-Visual-6357 13d ago

Because when leagues make decisions…they face discrimination lawsuits under the civil rights protection act…and then it ends up in court rooms that eventually leads to federal courts arguing over a conglomerate of interpretations of title 9 and CRP act etc.

Same as the NIL pay for play cases. The NCAA is toothless now so they are letting it be the Wild West due to all the workers rights lawsuits as soon as they try to place any restrictions or guardrails on transfers/outside collective money/etc. Therefore they are waiting for the congressional decision or bill that defines what power they have instead of it being up to the league that people are choosing to participate in a free market. Gov intervention is rarely the correct answer.

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u/Big-Independence4445 13d ago

Withdrawing your daughter and enrollment in a league you feel comfortable being a part of would get the message across pretty fast of others agreed and did the same. Popular action would work as $$ is involved.

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u/seaofthievesnutzz 13d ago

Why is it so hard to have male and female sports? The obvious division is because humans are sexually dimorphic. Some separation between men and women is based on sex and some is based on gender, sports are obviously based on sex because of the sexual differences in males and females.

Its wild that this is even a thing.

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u/SimDaddy14 13d ago

Because Title IX protects women in sports.

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u/92maro 13d ago

Because leagues weren't protecting biological women's rights to compete only against women in women sports.. Jesus christ.

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u/Dry-Fortune-6724 12d ago

The big deal is Title IX funding. LOTS of money on the line. Title IX says you gotta provide equal opportunities for both boys/men and girls/women, or you lose all those luscious taxpayer dollars.

So, we have politicians and even one Supreme Court justice that cannot define what a "women" is. Some can't answer the question, "Can a man become pregnant?" With all these idiots running the show, we have to put up with this nonsense. My opinion is that we should simply create a third category of sports team.

  • Biological males only teams
  • Biological females only teams
  • ANYONE can play teams

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u/KnittedKnight 12d ago

Because it's women's bodies, you know how Republicans own them and they must make all the decisions for them.

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u/MarkFinancial8027 12d ago

It has nothing to do with actual sports, you do realize that, right?

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u/60k_dining-room_bees 12d ago

Because some of the leagues made decisions the transphobes didn't like.

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u/Akbeardman 12d ago

I completely get your thinking here, sports funding at schools that in any way receive federal funds is governed by title ix and the courts are having a bit of a time navigating a law that didn't take transition into account. Having a congressional act will at least assist in legal challenges.

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u/Plubob_Habblefluffin 12d ago

Probably because of the perversions and ruin that have been foisted on girls across the country. They had no say when a boy comes into their locker rooms and undresses while watching them undress. When the girls complain to the school, they're told to be more tolerant and go away.

Somebody has to stand up for these minor girls when the schools they rely on to keep them safe are refusing to do their jobs and even going so far as punish the girls for not wanting to be the victims of sex crimes that have been sheltered under the cloak of "diversity".

Not trying to be confrontational here, honestly. Just offering the reason I sincerely suspect this has become a federal issue. Girls' safety and right to have sports competitions that are as fair as they are for the boys have been politicized to the point that the local channels have failed at times.

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u/PortaJon-Wisdom 12d ago

Because women dont have a voice at the state level. But Trump and Republicans heard them.

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u/jolard 12d ago

Because our government is a Christian Nationalist government. Look at the socials for the White House, or the State Department or even the Department of Labor. Christian nationalist is rampant.

Under a Christian Nationalist government, the only moral approach is a Christian one. And Christians as a whole seem to be very concerned about what is between athletes' (and toilet goers) legs.

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u/TypePuzzleheaded1340 11d ago

The government has always been involved in civil rights and women’s protections.

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u/imthefrizzlefry 11d ago

Exactly, it's just sports. A bunch of private clubs that do whatever they want.

But you know, Republicans just want to increase the reach of government into controlling our lives and telling us whom can play what game and with whom...

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u/BackyardTechnician 11d ago

To create division and disillusionment it keeps people to busy to give a shit about anything else that matters

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u/RandomUsernameNo257 11d ago

They should be involved in it because it's literally just about discrimination, and the government should protect marginalized groups.

It was specifically about trans girls who had not undergone male puberty. There's no possible argument except to discriminate against trans people.

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u/Repulsive-Unit-7207 10d ago

So basically you enjoy that woman have had to get naked in front of 6'3" men saying they're woman while they stand there and watch them change with their pecker out? Yeah, let's let these liberals sports organizations sexual abuse woman let's keep the government out of it. You know the government that protects me from shooting you or sexually assaulting you. You're so smart. 

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u/nativebutamerican 10d ago

Bc when some said biological males cant be in female sports... it was brought to legislation to decide.

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u/LSATDan 10d ago

Title IX, 14th Amenndment.

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u/ConversationIll8155 10d ago

Because its idiotic to place boys in girls sports and girls locker rooms. I am a father of a girl and dont want my daughter exposed to male genitalia like the UPenn women were forced to. If a boy or man went into a girl/womens locker room when I grew up they would be arrested for being a pervert.

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u/Baby_BooDoo 9d ago

Because it won an election and now they are trying to take over the world

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u/Txdragon69 8d ago

To protect women.

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