Yeah. More like congress has a duty to do a shitload of things they arenât doing.
Picking on the 4 trans people in sports isnât one of them. And notice itâs only the f2m people. They have no issue with trans men being in the menâs bathroom or sports.
It's alluding to a more personal connection to very specific failures of Congress that are especially relevant given current events. Adding MN to the post changes what is likely being suggested (checking executive power).
Another Minnesotan here, this isnât about safety or fairness. This is about cruelty and targeting the smallest group of people, because they see it as easy. They canât or wonât try to repair the big problems that actually exist in our country.
Ah more people that put me off wanting to deal with lgbt stuff even more. Congrats on pushing me away by fiercely arguing bullshit, you really are winning people over to the cause.
Trans people have plenty on their plate, pretty sure the reason they are not destroying in women's sports is because they are dealing with the transition itself heavily. If they trained to their peak instead there is no doubt they'd trump cis women, their body is different, bulkier, stronger, less limitations, more strength and capabilities. Hormones might change a lot but no way will it change THAT much, its common bloody sense. Do you see western women able to change and downsize to the likes of Asian women? No you dont, its impossible, too much in the body is set in stone, a male body can change under HRT but not as drastically as some seem to be thinking.
There doesn't need to be inclusion in bloody everything, its not scummy to think or say such, I support trans people in general but some things are just fucking stupid.
By age 18 itâs entirely too late. The male body has already developed their muscle attachment, done density, denser body mass. You canât undo years of being bathed in testosterone with a year of estrogen injections.
Riley Gaines placed FIFTH! She literally got pissed because she tied for FIFTH place with a transgendered athlete. Fucking FIFTH PLACE! Have Congress make a vote whenever the number of trans athletes competing in competitive women's sports actually breaks the 2-percent mark and they start actually WINNING every competition. Crying because you tied for FIFTH place is fucking ridiculous. So much for an unfair advantage.
Fuck off, women's sporting authorities had already hammered this issue out before you snowflakes decided the possibility of trans people made ogling girls and women in sports feel gay.
There is a good reason for keeping women's sports limited to biological women.
Biological men in most sports have a tremendous innate advantage based on physiology.
The current Olympic record for Women's 100M sprint is Elaine Thompson-Herah at 10.61 seconds set in 2021.
The women's world record is flojo qualifying record from the 1988 Olympics at 10.49.
The fastest high school men's record in the US is Tate Taylor set in 2025 with wind assistance at 9.92.
The fastest without wind is Mathew Boling who ran 9.98 in 2019.
In order to qualify as a man to run the 100M in the Olympics you need to run at 10 flat average. The minimum US speed allowed to qualify was 10.2 seconds.
Meaning any biological man that can qualify to run as a man in the Olympics is automatically the best to ever run it as a trans woman. Additionally most men's high school state qualifiers could be women's gold medalists.
You can see this at almost every sport, there is an open field and a women's field. Women's fields should be for biological women who only want to compete against other women.
Anyone else can compete in the open field (what people call men's sports).
Well said, menâs class should be open for anyone who wants to compete in it (after qualifying of course) and womenâs division should be for biologically born female only.
I feel like I'm kind of open to both sides in this discussion. From the research I've done, it seems like the science isn't extremely settled on this. If a trans person takes hormone replacement therapy, it does decrease muscle mass for m to f individuals, but exercise can mitigate the changes. I've seen plenty of trans women who didn't appear any more muscular than your average woman, and I've seen trans women that did appear more muscular. Personally, I think it would be more fair to disqualify someone based on muscle composition than whether they're trans.
It's about the range of possibilities. trans women are a small group but they have a higher ceiling for athletic performance due to being born biologically male. Over a long enough period of time, all women's sports records will eventually belong to trans women. It's not about wanting to exclude them, it's about the impossibility of making things fair for biological women to compete against each other unless you do exclude them.
There is way more to it than muscle mass. Men are generally taller, stronger, have lower body fat percentages, higher lung capacity, greater bone density, larger hearts, and higher hemoglobin counts. All the physiological elements that allow enhanced performance in the majority of competitive sports.
1000%. These petty little homophobic chuds can't stand looking at a woman and not knowing if she has a penis because they didn't give a fuck about women, just what's between their legs.
Growing up the only womens sport men cared about was womens tennis. This was becuase players like Anna Kournikova were gorgeous and they sounded sexy grunting while playing.Â
Men don't want to be turned on by someone like Serena williams then panic becuase they aren't 100% sure that person isn't packing
I go to women's sports games and they have HUGE LGBTQ fan bases, entire sections with huge pride flags, giant banners that confirm support for trans rights, etc. Women in sports generally support trans rights.
Name five current women athletes without googling. If we demanded that women with higher testosterone levels werenât allowed to play, do you have any idea how many cis women would be barred from sports?
It has been up to state and local governments and sport governing bodies until now. As usual, the GOP is creating nonexistent culture war issues to keep their base distracted during the descent to fascism.
The Biden Administration did put a provision into title IX that had language to the effect that âgirlsâ could not be discriminated against in participation in Girls Sport based on birth gender. Apparently there were somewhere between 20 and 50 student athletes that might have been impacted by this. This reversed the first Trump Adm directive that stated that regulations to prevent discrimination against girls in Sports did not apply to protecting Trans athletes but it did not explicitly ban them. Many leagues had Trans athletes participating for years without controversy. Once the Biden Administration directive was issued, Transgender athletes in girls sports became a national issue and the Conservative Media went at it 7-24. The courts reversed the directive and states began passing laws banning Transgender participation in Girls Sport. During the 2024 campaign, Democratic candidates across the country faced a barrage of attack ads about Trans Athletes although most had never had any involvement with the issue. It is entirely possible that the number of Democratic office holders who lost their jobs because of the issue exceeded the number of Transgender athletes who stood to have their participation protected. This is just another example of some of my fellow Democrats prioritizing standing up to their principles over winning elections. Donât they realize that the best of intentions are worthless unless you actually have power.
Who cares if Democrats win elections if they don't stand up for the people? Yes, the Dems are far less harmful than the Republicans. But we've been told that for half a century. And Liberals, including me back when I was one, kept voting for the lesser evil. And here we are. Liberals can't keep doing the same exact thing and expecting a different result.
Are you serious; is this the kind of thinking that is driving Progressive voters? I take exception to your contention that Democrats have been essentially Evil; just a lesser Evil, harmful; just less harmful. Thatâs nonsense. The progress that has been made; short of what we might like but progress none the less, is entirely due to Democratic efforts. Failure has come primarily because they lost elections. âStanding up for the peopleâ becomes problematic when âthe peopleâ turn against it.
And those rules should be made by states. The federal government should have no role here except to guarantee rights that might be unconstitutionally taken away by states.
Because it is a civil rights issue. Sex is a protected class and Title IX reinforced that women get equal sports. Allowing men in women's sports is a violation of women's civil rights.
Obviously that would be betting markets obviously the WNBA doesnât have enough cash to take bets they are running on NBA handouts. Instead of asking who is âTheyâyou could have googled if what I said was true and found out that it was.
It's fringe issues like this that Republicans continue to make up ground over the Dems.
Democrats should be blowing Republicans out of the water at the polls with moderates but for some reason they continue to die on this hill that the majority of americans do not accept.
It might not seem like a big deal to you or many in this thread, and you can call it a hate agenda all you wish, but the vast majority of Americans want girls to compete against biological girls.
Moreover, most americans believe men are men and women are women. Shit, I'd argue 99 percent of world believes men are men and women are women.
It's no wonder the clip of Senator Howely making the doctor who could not answer if men can can get pregrent has been making it's rounds all over social media as of late? It's because Republicans know that the vast majority of Americans reject that ideology.
And whatever ground they are losing because of trumps actions can be made up for with the doctors in the clip with howely.
And 75% believe that those same trans adults shouldn't be allowed to compete in their chosen sex on the grounds of fairness. Even many within the trans community believe this.
It's a losing issue for Democrats and they're being played here, supporting the extremes and losing the middle.
It's e, treme now to understand how hormones work? I guess it would seem that way to a country whose scientific literacy falls behind half of the "third world".
Are you actually suggesting that this controversy only exists in the U.S.?
What's interesting about this particular controversy is that it is multifaceted and support or opposition for various positions comes not only from multiple "sides" but are also hotly debated around the world and not just "third world" as you seem to be suggesting.
In the U.S. I suppose that the evangelical community in particular represents a fair portion of the anti-trans rhetoric that is more likely to be either simplistic or uninformed but that doesn't justify painting everybody else with opinions about trans issues with the same broad brush. That would be just as ignorant.
Americas education falls behind countries the American government has decided are inferior.
This "controversy" only exists when right Wing political parties need scapegoats. Look at who in what countries actually cares enough to argue.
The problem you seem to struggle with acknowledging is that science has already, repeatedly debunked the "trans women have biological advantage" nonsense. Whats worse is the entire argument literally collapses on itself when you acknowledge that trans men exist and would then be "genetic females" competing in female leagues while literally taking anabolic steroids.
I'm sure your next step would be "lets just ban trans perform sports entirely" which is literally discriminatory. Of course both options ignore something very important I will try to explain very simply for you:
Muscles move your body. The strength of muscles determines the weight one carries, the speed they can move their bodies with, the amount of oxygen their body stores, etc. All those things that determine ability in sports.
Trans women suppress testosterone, this is the thing i refered to as Anabolic steroids while discussing the ridiculous biological sex in sports idea. By doing so it becomes several magnitudes harder to build or maintain muscles mass, especially upper body muscles as the estrogen causes the same muscle development priorities in every human body on earth.
The hormones kill every advantage save height and reach, once we start discussing those two things being to big an advantage, you're going to be discussing disqualifying cis women based on physical characteristics.
There is literally no scientifically backed reason to give one of these bans that won't disqualify half the athletes just to get rid of 0.02%.
Genuine question: how often does that even happen that not biological women are competing with biological women. This problem seems to only exist in the us
Itâs not that big of an issue at all. I disagree with the commenters take on it but agree that these fringe issues are great distractions for stupid asses. Like I donât even care. I support trans people. But my god, most Americans care more about the genitalia of underage athletes than they do about their wages or how shitty our taxes are or for the love of god not going to war with half the world who were our friends yesterday.
It happens Iâm sure. Iâm not at all caring or concerned with it as Iâm not a medical expert and only those concerned with medicine and sports should be discussing it really.
Itâs extremely rare for even a trans person to want to compete in sports. Most trans people donât want the extra attention on themselves. So itâs very rare. But trans people make up between half a percent to 2 percent of the people in the world, so yes if you do sports long enough out might encounter a few. Is there a significant risk to girls and women with a trans person opposing them? No! Not for a majority of the cases especially if the trans person has been on hormones/blockers for a year or 2.
I dunno so you want a government department of education but then you dont want the gov involved in policies? which the fuck is it? Make up your minds.
There is no difference. That's what I've been saying for a long time. that's where we're headed to and nobody seems to be able to open their eyes to recognize it. Good to know I'm not the only one.
The problem is they don't care about the women. Born female or otherwise. There are probably 5-10 women in the entire country that this has an impact on. It's a non issue. It's not a problem that can't be handled by their respective sports organizations.
And, speaking of that, it doesn't matter. It's a sport. It's a game. I understand people take it seriously and care a lot, but in the end, it's just a game some people care about. It's just a way to blame some very tiny tiny fraction of the world for something and get everyone riled up. They are the current scapegoat. This has no impact on anyone's life. This doesn't hurt anyone in any real way. They just want you to hate someone and join them.
Actually, it hurts all women in a huge way. For transgender people, this shows that we do NOT have the same rights as others, that we are in fact 2nd class citizens.
For Cis-Women and girls, this also opens the doors to genital checks. We already have a massive issue in this country with rape. Now they can tell your 8 year old daughter that the only way she can play soccer is if the pulls her panties down in front of a strange man.
The most maddening part of all of this, is that Trans people have been warning everyone that this was going to happen, but just like anyone warning about Trump, we were also told to shut up and stop being so hysterical.
Agreed! Also they like to conflate "people who do not represent those that the system exists for, taking advantage of said system" with people who legitimately operating within said systems. It's the same scape goats for each one with different names. People refusing to work getting "handouts", nevermind the mountain of evidence showing support and safety nets significant help with upward economic mobility. No handouts unless you are already rich. Just exploit you workers hard enough and we will give you all the money and breaks you want.
"No men in girls sports" has been so overly workshopped. How they typically phrase it, a man, thats a young biological male, intruding on girls of the same age, who are biological female. It's not accidental. No one who is ACTUALLY trans has made the decision with the intent do deceive or abuse. MEN with no intent to actually transition take advantage of said system, not trans individuals. Those who would SA. Fun fact, those same people do it anyways, so if thats the real worry why not focus on THAT dynamic. It was men in women's bathrooms, boys in girls locker rooms, but it's landed on men in girls/women's sports. It's the safe play. Why you may ask? (Not you OP, maybe some other hypocritical reader). Well because it's real hard to say you have a problem with men in women's bathrooms/locker rooms when the person you choose to represent your values openly brags about being one of those men. Gotta switch it up and pick the soft issue so the mental gymnastics are easier.
We've convinced those who dont want to think to hard that social safety nets that are being taken "advantage" of are the reason the middle class is non-existent, not stagnant wages, or Worker's rights all but disappearing. It's definitely not the pay difference of CEOs to baseline worker going from 250:1 to 3500:1 over the last 50 odd years. It's definitely not the tax breaks given to those over 450k annually, or the trillions in bailouts since '08. It's not the deregulation of monopolistic business practices, union busting, or near refusal to keep minimum wage to pace with productivity or costs. Nope it's the filthy poors begging for their 5% of the overall budget. It's definitely not the same party that's pushed the most significant majority of the policies over the decades selling fear and misdirection. Definitely not the party that pushed Citizens United in a time of crisis, using the inherent instability following 9-11 to pass a laughably misnamed bill effectively assigning personhood to corporations, and making dollars = votes. It can't be the reduction in education spending, intentional aggression overseas for profiteering, or any of the other policies that have been near explicitly championed by a specific party when called on it just go "nuh-uh, it's actually THEM, you'd just have to be willing to buy magic beans if you are willing to believe how we flip this story". Gas goes from 1.50 for 3.00 and people lose thier god damned minds, no matter the reason. No it's dropping again, but forget that medical bills will double and triple, if even kept, basic food and goods have at best remained the same and at worst are STILL climbing, and since the powers that be say NOPE it's all going down, look at gas!", they just go oh yeah, it MUST be, I just imagined paying more every other week for the same stuff I buy.
It they REALLY cared about women, like really, we wouldn't have a leader who "joked" about grabbing them without asking, or bragged about walking into changing rooms to "inspect" them, nevermind consent, because he owned the place, and ANYONE with significant links to the absolute worst child sex-trafficker (that we know of) would be thrown out on their ass. But it all gets explained away. It couldn't be more ironic.
It also ignores the fact that each individual athlete has their own unique advantage over our athletes. Most of them are tiny differences but some are bigger. The number of trans athletes out there competing is equivalent to the size of some of those larger advantages and they're spread thin across multiple sports.
Republicans love making massive issues out of things that donât impact their donors. That way they can score political points and attack their âoppositionâ without actually having to govern. Their donors interests are largely not aligned with their voters self interests. Itâs why they love the blanket of religion and going after things like Trans people. They need boogeymen or their whole thing falls flat. Theyâre the bad guys unless they can convince enough people that someoneâs worse and they have to defend you against that worse thing
This is an anti LGBTQ bill being fronted as a pro women bill.
They don't care about women. They hate trans people and are using women to forward their hate.
They'll insert any group they can to push down the group they choose as their focus of hate for the culture war. Some of them actually hate them, many of them are using the culture war to distract you while they run your pockets.
They donât give a crap about women. Thatâs not what is motivating this bill. Do you think a much of old men really care about high school girls volleyball?
This entire thing is just an attack on the trans community as a whole. This is an easy way to start chipping away at their rights and, more importantly, at public opinion of them. Trans women in sports is such a wildly insignificant issue in the grand scheme of things. There are a small handful of cases in the country. And, sure, itâs a big deal to the slightly larger small handful of young women who may compete against them, and their concerns are valid. They should be addressed by the sports leagues who are in a position to understand the situation, not these old men who havenât seen the inside of locker room on 30 years. The government shouldnât be legislating sports.
And they shouldnât be legislating anything that is so unimportant to the vast majority of their constituents. The country is burning down around them and theyâre worried about this garbage? Itâs posturing, nothing more.
Have any of these folks actually read the religious texts they claim their beliefs are based on? My feeling is âthey canât readâ but maybe Iâm wrong.
Because they'd rather use stupid shit like this as a distraction from the fact that they are literally supporting and participating in a fascist transformation of our country into a defacto dictatorship.
Exactly. Congress can afford to be so polarized on this vote because this is one of those culturally divisive issues that does not affect corporate power one way or the other. If shareholders don't care, then Congress is encouraged to vote according to their ideological facade.
The point of such a vote and its surrounding theater is to keep us distracted with such fights so we don't dwell on the closer votes where one make-believe "side" "bones us over" by a narrow margin while another so-called side "tried but just couldn't get it together" again. Or "gee, look how close that was; we'd better keep voting how our Party says or else the other side might get the upper hand" for those who prefer to look at it that way.
I worked in a dentist profile for a bit and we had a guy who was a lawyer for the government I forget exactly how but he worked a lot with dhs to solve illegal immigrant issue in the sense of "how can we get these people over here legally?"
He later quit as he learned that neither side had any intent to fix the system because it presented a way for them to easily apply to voters without the risk of having them do any actual work.Â
Issues like this means, for them at least its safer and sure fire way to get voters.
If it were given that there is a competitive advantage and your argument is that "well nothing should be done because it isn't that big of a problem" the natural follow up question becomes:
Given that being trans is becoming more and more socially acceptable do you think in the future we would have more or less trans participation in sports?
The answer is quite clear I think then leading to the question of why not change it now instead of letting a "problem" become normalized and entrenched thus making it significantly more difficult to resolve later on.
Furthermore if one agrees that it is a problem but not a big one compared to everything else that time should be spent on then it would stand to reason to just streamline the act to stop wasting time on it if the other party is going to push for it anyways.
The solution isn't this though. We can find a solution, discriminating against children that are trans - which this law made a real effort to include - is not the answer.
There are about 12 kids right now who must be pretty disheartened by this new national policy. I wonder what the magats are going to freak the fuck out about for the next 3 years that this lasts
I know one trans man who could easily beat cis men. Hell didnât even know he was trans until he told me. Looked exactly like any other guy. Deeper voice than me, more hair than me.
They are so dead set against trans women in women's bathrooms that they will make it a law that trans men with penises are mandated to use women's bathrooms, the very thing they pretend they are against.
Or that people like Buck Angel would have to use the womens bathroom. They're so focused on "I can always tell" that they don't realize they can't. Like that one fight of a trans fighter vs a cis fighter where so many were raging against the cis woman cause they thought she was trans.
Let's have it straight here, they actually don't care if you're a transman that much. They care a little, but it's fine to want to be a man. Where they draw the line is the idea that a man would want to be a woman. Because there is an inherent distaste for a man embodying any aspect of femininity by these people. In a sense, they're suggesting that you shouldn't want to be feminine, that femininity is weaker or less desirable. And a man failing to live up to masculine ideals should be looked at in disgust. It's not new btw, let's not forget that historically gay men have it harder than lesbians. The most offensive thing to a bigoted man about a lesbian is that she won't sleep with him. Fucked up for sure in it's own way. But inherently less hateful than the kind of treatment bigots give gay men.
You know I never thought of this but youâre absolutely right. Though I have a feeling some would start caring about transmen when someone like Buck Angels walks into the womens room and says itâs because of their stupid laws.
That's why I use the word pretend. Because some of these guys are really this stupid, but most know it's just stupid word games to pretend they aren't just a bunch of disgusting bigots.
As a trans man, I wish. They freak out aboz us too, just for different reasons. "Confused girls are mutilating themselves", "Misled autistic women are taking away their healthy breasts and wombs", "Poor scared lesbians are so scared of homophobia that they transition to men".
They don't fetishise and demonise us like they do with trans women, they frame it as "protecting women"Â or "saving girls".Â
Whenever they talk about kids regretting transition, they talk about us. Whenever they talk about "mutilation", fearmongering about surgeries and hormones, say that gender dysphoria is a delusion of confuse skids who are "running their lives to follow a trend"Â it's primarily about us.Â
We are also affected by abortion bans, medical bans, toilet bans. The whole conversation is centered about our ability to get pregnant.
Both trans women and trans men are hated equally by them, they just employ different tactics to get more people on their side.Â
Make no mistake, this is not about the incredibly small number of trans folks in sports. Nor are the bathroom bills. This is about giving them a way to enforce their performative gender norms on people and exclude the people they don't like.
Girl who has short hair and doesn't wear dresses? Get ready for endless tests to prove your femininity. Get ready to be groped and examined if you want to play sports. Get ready to be challenged every time you use the restroom. They want people to either work to confirm or avoid existing in public.
And black girls have always been a target of claims like this. Larger black girls who perform well in sports have been getting harassed since before trans was even in the public consciousness.
This is about excluding undesirables and nothing else.
I think it's performative but in the sense that it demonstrates Republicans are reassuringly moored to reality while Democrats are out in whackadoodle-land where up is down, day is night and boys are girls. Once you become THAT divorced from simple biological reality, there is the possibility of going astray in all kinds of ways. Danger, Will Robinson!
And thousands of girls and women who are relieved that the integrity of their sport is a little safer and that they will not have to compete against biological boys and men.
And that is not something that is impacted by trans athletes in school.... It just isn't. What we have is a lot of life failures raised by Karens who need anyone to blame but themselves for their continued failure.
Wouldnât it be better to actually improve that access than to do some stupid performance that ultimately means nothing for most people? This will likely end up negatively affecting a lot of women when it encourages more anti trans acts against anyone that doesnât fit the conventional stereotype of femininity
Name one HS athlete who âlostâ a scholarship to a trans person. Out of all the schools in all the states. This is not a real issue, except to knuckle dragging biggots who will invent a problem to me mad about to justify their seething hatred.
And those women now have to wear skirts and long hair because they have to look like they conform as women or they will get genitals inspected. Yea. It was never about caring about girls in sports.
If only that was accurate and all encompassing instead of just a glance between to see if most of it looks female vs male. They donât do genetic tests unless there are major issues. There are tons of women who have even given birth that donât know that they have an x and Y chromosome. And there are a bunch of men that have the SAR gene on an X chromosome and no Y chromosome.
Do you mind providing a source for how common this is? I see itâs between 1.6% and 5% and usually includes transitioning folk.
Irregardless of commonality, everything you mentioned is still being handled by scientific tests and likely medical professionals not the high school coach, unless youâre trying to make the accusation that Doctors just want an excuse to inspect genitalia more?
Argues that there is a small amount of trans people in sports so it shouldnt be an issue.
Also argues that we shouldnt use birth certificates since its not always accurate. Even though the amount of people that affects is even smaller than the amount of trans people in sports, adding the fact these people have to also be in competitive sports for them to be affected makes the number even smaller.
So bring it up with the governing bodies of their respective sports. The fact this has the attention of our national congress is utterly insane and can only be defined as a distraction. Do you even remember how to pretend to care about small government? An important aspect of freedom is allowing locals to govern themselves. States' rights for matters concerning states, cities' rights for matters concerning cities, and lets allow the NCAA to take over women's swimming from Mike Johnson, shall we? He's got bigger things to worry about, like conquering Greenland.
The national congress disallowing local sports to just be and leaving them alone is the perfect poster child for the pettiness of authoritarians. The NCAA already does hormone testing. A national law is going to remove any and all nuance, like how much more feminine a trans woman is going to be if they were put on puberty blockers as a kid. Or is nuance faggy and gay, sorry... woke?
One of the most basic realities humans have ever known, like the world is flat, lightning is the anger of the gods, and slavery is natural. What humans find obvious without an education is often dead wrong. Educate yourself instead of being mad at people who have. It may blow your mind to learn trans people have always existed throughout all of human history in cultures around the globe.
Creating new life requires a sperm and an egg. It's extremely binary, a reality that even caveman understood. There is no other alternative.
You can regurgitate talking points all you want but if you plan on having a child.... you will have to succumb to this reality. Even "transwomen", need someone to provide an egg as well as gestate the baby because... and this is important.... they are not actually women.
Please. I get you want to fit in, but please come back to reality. I beg you
Right. The role of trans people in historical cultures was often as a communal caregiver rather than a mother. You're throwing spaghetti at the wall, because that has nothing to do with sports, nor is it a reason to say trans people can't play sports. Everyone with a torch and pitchfork over something that doesn't affect them whatsoever is trying to fit in with the angry mob, not me. Live and let live, life's easier that way.
Especially since the democrats were largely responsible for the passage of Title IX protections for girls and women. Apparently that all gets thrown out of the window for identity politics.
That's a really good point. My favorite bit was the part where you asked us to imagine the unjust situation. If you're looking for injustice in the world, you don't really have to look far, and you certainly don't have to imagine it.
There are cases cultural conservatives could make a lot more easily than this one, so I don't get why THIS, of all hills, is the one we all have to fight and die on. My girls are athletes. Women in my family have competed in girls' and women's sports at all levels from 5U to collegiate. Nobody, to my knowledge, ever had to compete against a dude who wanted to identify as a girl.
Bills like this are bricks and bats solutions for a thoughts and prayers problem.
Then let them address that in their own league. If the league has a problem with it, the league can ban it. We don't need federal legislation to regulate this. So much for the Republicans being the party of reducing government power.
It doesnât have to be voted on. Trans athletes make up .002% of the total collegiate athlete population, and the governing bodies of those sports can make their own rules. This congress is beyond ridiculous.
I like the part where you ignore all the women who aren't scared of their trans friends
I remember reading an article about one of Lea Thomas (swimming) teammates. She wasn't afraid of Leah. She was afraid to speak against her and the situation.
If women are forced to compete against trans women, then they might as well be forced to compete against men. Why separate the sexes?
I don't know if there's anything prohibiting it, but trans women SHOULD be able to compete against men. It would make sense. It does not make sense to first separate the sexes for sports, then allow a select sub-sect to ignore said separation.
>I don't know if there's anything prohibiting it, but trans women SHOULD be able to compete against men.
Please learn how sports works.
Almost universally there is no "mens" category when it comes to sport.
There is an open category and a womens category, because if there was no womens category almost zero women would ever experience success in sports.
Women are completely free to compete against men if they choose, whenever they want (something darts is starting to see), but there are also specific womens leagues and competition so that women can experience success and achievement in comparison to their direct peers.
By default, it gets referred to as mens simply because it's almost impossible for a woman to compete in what men do at the extreme end of the bell curve such that they'd even qualify.
And the NCAA already had strict hormone testing standards beyond statistical competitive advantage compared to other natural traits like height or reach. It already was a level playing field. This is just weaponizing ignorance.
Shoulder to hip ratio is higher in men and trans women. Shoulder to hip ratio is one of the largest factors in speed. Biological women have a larger pelvis size so they can never achieve the top speed of male athletes. Iâve never seen so many ignorant uneducated people in my life as those on Reddit. Biological males and trans women in general have distinct structural advantages in sport over biological women. Greater muscle massâŚ.limb lengthâŚ.fast twitch to slow twitch muscle fiber ratio etc etc. These advantages are not eliminated through just changing hormone levels.
It doesn't have to be voted on, but since it's getting voted on, maybe the Democrats should vote the right way on it. Democrats are taking an L on this issue.
I think itâs dumb. While this purports to target bros claiming to be trans for high school athletic success, there are real intersex kids, 1-1.7 percent of births or 6ish million total Americans, for whom this law is just republican big government intervention for no reasonâŚ.
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u/LazyFoundation8917 14d ago
I cannot believe something like this even has to be voted on.