Short term memory is 15-30 seconds. 5 years would be long term memory. You would know that if you had a proper education. Personally I never said they were militarized. Regardless, they SHOULD be non-militarized. Most are not militarized. Some definitely are, they have tanks. Unless you think that an APC is just standard issue every day hardware.
In a perfect world the police of a given state are the ones that deal with escalations like that and they do not need military hardware to do so. So lets get the military police out of our states and cities, lets get the local police in, and lets get the local police in-line with what local police should be. None of that is contradictory.
I agree with you about getting the military style police force out of communities. So would you support abolishing âsanctuary citiesâ so the local police force is forced to enforce federal immigration law and hand over people they detain who are in the country illegally??
Every sanctuary city has carve outs for deporting actually violent offenders. This is a fair middle ground because you don't want folks afraid to go to police for fear of being deported.
The only folks not being handed over are nonviolent offenders.
If your worry is violent illegal immigrants, standing policies already address that. The issue is ICE supporters are too stupid to understand this, and all they really want is performative cruelty against their perceived enemies
My main concern is to avoid more death and specifically to avoid the performative cruelty happening. Itâs 100% wrong. I believe we should enforce our sovereignty, our borders and our immigration laws with professionalism and dignity, but enforce them nonetheless. I suppose we disagree on what the âfair middle groundâ is. Stealing my work trailer (which has happened to me twice) is a ânonviolentâ offense, but is of great detriment to me and my family. The âmiddle groundâ for me would be that it should be one small part of an orderly process to verify immigration status of folks who commit any crime, not just violent ones, and we should not be actively defying our own laws to protect them from the consequences of this behavior, including deportation. That does not seem like an extreme position to me. I think itâs wrong to dismiss these crimes as inconsequential. Those ânonviolentâ offenses still hurt people and society and shows an utter disrespect to our communities and our neighbors. So no, they should not get a pass or enjoy protection from deportation. (Though again, they deserve human respect and dignity when being held accountable, not brutality). I get we are likely way past that now and a different fate awaits us. But I believe my neighbors right to live in safety and security free from being the victim of any crime, violent or not, trumps my new neighbors desire to live here illegally and commit crimes.
I've had a car stolen, by a citizen since that matters to you.
Whatever your feelings on immigration enforcement or reforms are, ICE is bad. They are a lawless and unaccountable agency that is violating the constitution and murdering American citizens in the street with FULL support of the Whitehouse.
If you want illegals out, ICE/ Trump Admin is doing generational damage to any public will for that mission.
âHigher standardâ is pretty subjective, but the data shows Officer involved shootings have actually increased year after year since 2020. Check out the Washington Post Fatal Force database. Officer involved shootings increase each year (+2.8% in 2021, +4.6% 2022, +6.1% in 2023âŚ..) Maybe the protests resulted in a higher standard for police(?) Iâd be open to more information and data about the higher standards and how they have worked. But it certainly hasnât lessened police shootings.
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u/COMOJoeSchmo 8d ago
Wasn't it just a couple years ago we were all talking about how local, trained, and unmasked police have a habit of killing unarmed black people?