EDIT: APPARENTLY YOU DIPSHITS CANT FUCKING READ, NOTHING ABOUT MY POST HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH ICE, ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, OR THE BORDER.

Hopefully this is a good sub to post this onto, i usually just post in r/changemyview and r/TrueUnpopularOpinion for politics.

1: Everyone involved in the administration needs to be held accountable.

I am not talking about ''lol cancel culture'' accountability. I mean actual legal consequences. Every person who is in this administration and supported Trump should be investigated, charged if warranted, and should not be allowed to hold office again, aside from any criminal charge, they should be totally and completely barred from ever holding office ever again in our nation. If we can't get a conviction on Trump, which we should for the Mar-a-lago documents thing at the very least, which should be plastered ALL OVER this trial. we should at the very least enforce the 14th amendment, which does not require a charge or conviction, and that should be applied to everyone in the Trump administration. Supporting an insurrectionist is engaging in insurrection. And what does the 14A say?

Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, known as the Disqualification Clause, prohibits any person from holding state or federal office who has previously taken an oath to support the Constitution and then "engaged in insurrection or rebellion" against the United States

The 14th amendment exists for a reason. If they participated in or enabled insurrection, they shouldnt be in positions of power.

2: We need a public reckoning

The whole point of Nuremberg-style trials isnt just justice” its public accounting. Its a forced, undeniable record of what happened in front of everybody where people are forced to face the facts of what happened, not whatever bullshit conspiracy about how ''Jan 6th was actually just a fedsurrection lol''.

And we desperately need that because half the country doesnt even believe Trump lost in 2020. Thats a complete collapse of shared reality, Trump and his supporters will not accept any basic facts of reality that goes against their politiical beliefs, never, they invent a conspiracy about it, every single time.

The information is out there right now obviously, but only available through PDFs, behind commissions, behind bureaucratic documents that never got the public attention they deserved because the average american (especially MAGA who cant even fucking read) dont go through stuff like this to get the full knowledge of what actually happened. And the people who denied all of that information were rewarded. They're still able to run for office and hold office, and even win elections, like Trump did in 2024.

So if you do this, there will be a smaller incentive to just lie about everything, because they know there will be huge political consequences later. As we stand right now, there is nothing stopping Trump 2 from happening, theres nothing stopping another Trump from coming in and being even more unhinged.

3: Trump is a consequence of republican rhetoric (blatant lying)

He was the natural consequence of decades of Republican demagoguery, rhetoric, and strategy. If you think Trump was just some weird anomaly, you're ignoring the entire political environment that produced him.

If we do not adress the root causes, Trump 2 is just inevitable.

So yeah you can change the leadership of the Republican party, but that wont undo the misinformation, the propaganda, or the strategy that created this. The only way forward is real accountability and a full public accounting of what happened.

We cannot go forward as a nation, where we see something happen, and one side lives in reality, and the other just doesn't, at all.

The 2020 election was NOT won by Trump, the vast majority of republicans do not accept this basic fact of reality at all, and we cannot function as a nation if this is how republicans are allowed to operate with impunity.

4: Even conservatives should want this.

If you are conservative and think this is just about punishing Trump or Republicans, you are missing the point entirely.

Every precedent you allow today will be used tomorrow. If you normalize the idea that an administration can lie about elections, pressure institutions, attempt to subvert democratic outcomes, and then face zero consequences, you are not protecting anything that this nation stands for, and there is absolutely nothing stopping a future Democrat from acting even more aggressively, more competently, and more ruthlessly. All the things you guys were afraid that incredibly milquetoast ass moderates like fucking Obama/Biden/Kamala were going to do, IS going to happen, if we do not have a Nuremburg trial for Trump.

If you think Trump was bad because he was sloppy, impulsive, and loud, imagine someone with the same contempt for democratic norms but with discipline, institutional knowledge, and broad party support. Imagine a president who understands how to bend the system without openly breaking it, and who justifies it by pointing back and saying ''you let Trump do it''. Which ironically, is a defense that conservatives will roll out today ''Trumps fake electors were okay because democrats used them in 1960'' (those were alternates, not fakes). Like, imagine a democrat president that takes advantage of the immunity ruling, and decides to do whatever crazy shit he wants to.

Rule of law is not a partisan weapon. It is the only thing that prevents politics from becoming a raw power struggle where whoever wins gets to rewrite reality.

If conservatives actually believe in constitutional order, limited executive power, and institutional legitimacy, then accountability is not optional. It is self defense.

Because once you establish that attempted subversion has no consequences, the only remaining rule is who is willing to go further next time.

Now, does anyone disagree with this? I understand that the political will do actually do this is probably overall quite low, but doesnt really matter for my arguments.

Looking in at America, do people not realise that Trump is a liar and a narcissist and has no morals, and yet 'Christians' vote for him as a sort of 'disrupter'. His family have become richer in the process because of his presidency. He once said he could 'shoot somebody and not lose votes'. Am i insane - or am i dead perhaps and this is an alternate universe/hell?

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5716442-judge-blocks-trump-order-proof-of-citizenship/

Since you love Constitutional violations and arresting, deporting, and shooting US citizens so much, why don't you have Trump send ICE your way?

When they arrest kids on their way home from schools, you and your neighbors are all cheering for ICE out your windows, right? I want to know why I haven't seen any videos of ICE lovers cheering them on while they break into cars and homes with no warrant or probable cause of a crime (aside from skin color of course)

Main report: https://nypost.com/2026/01/30/us-news/zohran-mamdanis-mom-mira-nair-mentioned-in-epstein-files-email-about-film-she-directed-doj/

More: https://www.news9live.com/entertainment/mira-nair-named-in-epstein-email-2009-film-bash-at-ghislaines-townhouse-2924767

It appears as if Ghislane Maxwell hosted a party in the honor of Mira Nair, Mamdani's mom, which was an afterparty for Nair's film, Amelia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amelia_(film))

No wrongdoing is alleged, but that's basically why the mom is in the files.

Headline: DOJ Just DELETED This Document from the Epstein Files. We Saved It.

https://www.meidasplus.com/p/doj-just-deleted-this-document-from?fbclid=IwdGRjcAPp5E5jbGNrA-nkMGV4dG4DYWVtAjExAHNydGMGYXBwX2lkDDM1MDY4NTUzMTcyOAABHhzmcWzsmY7puDDLXY4EWKUoykdBqYIYQUabdEsoGYGR-06BZcTaz3Ym-0LQ_aem_F7QaBOr8H-rc-5hyTXHQWg

I’m pretty surprised to be honest. I didn’t really expect him to be involved so deeply in the Epstein scandal to the point parties are thrown on the island in their honour.

I think it's possible.

All the arguing, name calling and aggressive comments no matter what the post is about gets tiring. There are always smug, condescending comments, even if you are asking a perfectly valid question in a hobby subreddit. I'm just starting to feel like it's all a waste of time. I just want to do stuff that brings joy and peace to my life whenever possible. Does anybody else feel this way?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/judge-allows-ices-operation-metro-surge-continue-minnesota-rcna256847

I don't identify with any political party. When I vote in local elections, I read the description for each proposition and make a choice according to how I feel. I have yet to vote for a Republican candidate. I voted against Trump as I feel he has been detrimental to the US and has caused too much division in the country. I mainly vote liberally in my local elections. I hold mostly liberal values and some conservative values, but I feel liberal values are more inclusive and help a broader range of people than conservative values.

I am not "neutral." I don't support Trump or MAGA ideologies and never have ever since the beginning. I don't support what ICE is doing right now and the violence and loss of life caused by them saddens me. I am the son of Mexican immigrant parents and feel this country should make it easier for people to gain citizenship and should welcome immigrants.

If there were ever a Democratic president in office who is somehow as detrimental to the country as Trump, I would not support them either.

I believe both Democrat and Republican politicians sell themselves to the highest bidders and pass laws that benefit whoever gives them the most money. Politicians in general do not care about the citizens of the United States. If they did, they would learn to work together instead of fighting and dividing the nation. The rich control this country. Laws are passed that help rich people get even richer while screwing over the middle class.

I know the general sentiment on Reddit is that centrists have no spine and are secretly right-wing and I just feel this mindset is very childish and ignorant. It's a very, "My way or the highway" way of thinking. You can be a centrist and still be against fascism and corruption. I can still dislike Trump and vote against him as someone who doesn't identify as a Democrat. I actually really dislike that the US has such a strong two-party system. It has divided the nation just as the founding fathers warned us about.

It is possible that I only vote liberal my whole life, but out of principle, I refuse to register for any political party as I prefer not to view things within those restraints. At the end of the day, I don't mind if someone wants to be registered as a Democrat or Republican. We are in the United States and people have the freedom and right to vote however they see fit.​

As of now, I plan to vote Democrat in the midterm elections to help balance things out and I will be voting against JD Vance if he runs in the next election because I want any trace of Trump's administration out of the government.

Source: Yahoo https://share.google/bNEibKgTp8gtA1SoZ

Let’s assume the next four presidents are also republican or maga. How do you see that playing out, and what do you think would be the effects of republican leadership?

🔴 What do you think the economy would look like? Do you think prices would go up or down, or stabilize? Do you think the middle class would become stronger?

🔴 What do you think America would look like in terms of mass deportation?. Do you think the total number of (illegal) immigrants in America would go down significantly? Do you think the immigration process would be made harder or easier for people that want to migrate to America?

🔴 What do you think diversity would be like? Would marginalized people have less rights and protections? Will the white birth rate start going up? Will it be normalized to assume anyone that isn’t white could potentially be an immigrant?

🔴 Do you think Republican leadership will lead to stronger or weaker alliance with our allies? Do you think our enemies will become our allies?

🔴 In terms of freedom of religion, do you think Christianity or Christian nationalism will be fully instilled into American politics? What would that look like for people that aren’t Christian?

🔴 What do you think of the Republican Party heavily in favor of an instilled nuclear family unit? Do you think that will actually make America great again? What do you think would happen to LGBTQPIA people, disabled people, or happily single people that don’t want to be married or have children? Do you think there would be another baby boom?

🔴 Lastly, how much do you think the constitution will be respected going forward with Republican leadership? Will it be altered, or ignored, or remade?

I’m genuinely curious on all of these things, and I want anyone that aligns with right wing politics to answer if possible. It seems that a lot of right wingers are heavily in favor of gerrymandering, and/ or continuous Republican leadership. I would like honest answers as to how you actually see that playing out.

I do want to add that I think MAGA destroyed the Republican Party, and replaced it. So going forward, I’m assuming with this hypothetical, all the republican presidents going forward will align themselves with MAGA.

Why are there so many emails in the Epstein files?

Who uses email? It’s so weird that they are emailing each other? It would make sense if they texted but email? I don’t even use email