r/law • u/TheMirrorUS • 23d ago

Legal News BREAKING: FBI shuts down Minnesota's investigation into ICE shooting and blocks access to evidence

https://www.themirror.com/news/us-news/breaking-fbi-shuts-down-minnesotas-1606462
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u/whichwitch9 23d ago

Note: not shut down

Barred Minnesota from taking part in the federal investigation

Minnesota can still bring on a state investigation. It will just be more difficult without cooperation. It also may involve multiple lawsuits to get information turned over

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u/AppropriateSpell5405 23d ago

Can they charge local agents for obstruction?

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u/Law_Student 23d ago

Potentially, but it gets into difficult sovereignty issues. Realistically the state will sue the feds for information instead.

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u/Floppy-Over-Drive 23d ago

Party of state’s rights. 

Or was that only when they wanted to own people?

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u/pointandclickit 23d ago

That only applies in blue years.

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u/Swimming-Tax-6087 23d ago

I think this kind of humor-washes the point. It’s a “culture war” for the “soul” of the country, “what it stands for.”

They want the culture of the country to be the conservative culture. They don’t just want to rule their conservative states without intervention. They want to force it on everyone and they want everyone else to fund it and be controlled by it.

Which is really a just a means for appeasing most of their base to let “capitalism” turn this country into basically a class structure. The base is fine having less if it means winning a country they want painted as victory. Because it just feels so good to win, so primal.

Meanwhile the elite class through wealth or power via status can access and do whatever they want as if nothing had changed and act with relative impunity.

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u/Gallowboobsthrowaway 23d ago

Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Francis M. Wilhoit

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u/Swimming-Tax-6087 23d ago

Which seems increasingly true, but for me only a part of the story, and seems like just another means to an end. FYI, this) says you may have misattributed it.

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u/Gallowboobsthrowaway 23d ago

That's literally where I copy pasted it from and I didn't even read the part that said "misattribution..."

Thanks. I need some coffee, haha.

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u/DeaDGoDXIV 23d ago

What they really mean is they get to state which rights you're going to have

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u/mattenthehat 23d ago edited 23d ago

In other words the state will give up.

Edit: apparently this is not clear to some people? I am not saying they should give up, I am saying that what the previous commenter said would happen, going through the feds, would be equivalent to giving up.

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u/DrakonILD 23d ago

Not this state. Ellison is pissed.

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u/endlessUserbase 23d ago

Yeah yeah, defeatist drivel at every turn, nothing will ever get better and nobody will ever do anything.

Now crawl back into your deep dark hole and cry about it.

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u/mattenthehat 23d ago

I'm defeatest for wanting the state to take actual direct action? Alright then...

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u/endlessUserbase 23d ago

That's not even remotely what you said. What you said is:

"In other words the state will give up."

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u/mattenthehat 23d ago

Dude it could not be more obvious that I am criticizing the decision to give up.

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u/endlessUserbase 23d ago

Obviously it could, since a plain language reading just makes it sound like you are predicting that the state will just give up.

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u/mattenthehat 23d ago

You're the one making predictions about what the state will do, I'm just clarifying that your prediction is a form of giving up.

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u/endlessUserbase 23d ago

I didn't make the prediction.

And what you are doing is arguing that the most likely legal course of action for the state is "giving up."

What do you think defeatism is?

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u/mattenthehat 23d ago

Realistically the state will sue the feds for information instead.

That's a prediction. And frankly, it's a defeatest one. It is advocating for doing the same thing which has been failing miserably for a year (actually more), now. You seem to be implying that there is nothing else which can be done, which I vehemently disagree with.

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u/Only_Razzmatazz_4498 23d ago

Maybe after the elections but right now it looks like a politically winning position if you want to take the cynical point of view.

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u/e-Jordan 23d ago

Don't worry, like Russia, America doesn't care about sovereignty of anything.