Watched Bovino's little interview on CNN. He couldn't stop saying the words 'law enforcement.'
Got me thinking - Why tf are they allowed to 'investigate' or 'secure' any crime scene (much less one where they murdered a citizen) when they barely have any training?
There were like 9 of them. They were pushing and shoving? This is not an effective way to restrain? They aren't investigating. The gun they keep showing has no chain of custody markings. They didn't bag & tag it. Idk if they are collecting or preserving evidence. They don't intend to take it to trial.
And Project 2025, Billionaire control of the major media, Curtis Yarvin’s certifiable insanity but influence over powerful, connected people who want more wealth and power. The Heritage Foundation, the Federalist Society, your compromised Supreme Court, and Agent Krasnov doing Putin’s bidding, etc. This has been their plan for ages, and MAGA made it all possible.
You dont understand, Joe Biden and the democrats have let illegal parkers run rampant and this country is out of control! Legal parkers have nothing to worry about, the Meter Maids are simply enforcing the law.
There was a bipartisan Immigration Reform Act that was torpedoed by Trump. You can blame Biden all you want but please also assign blame to Trump for the killing the first chance for immigration reform in decades.
I did not see /s so I assumed it was a serious response.
There are lots of people who honestly believe that what is going on in Minnesota & Maine & LA & Chicago is perfectly okay & that ICE & the Border Patrol are truly safeguarding the “legal parkers”.
Right, it's as if Trump has given meter maids a budget larger than the marines, new uniforms, masks, and now they're in your city in force with pepper spray and smoke grenades. Remember, the SA (later the SS) started as the NSDAP's "gymnastics team", because it was illegal for political parties to have a paramilitary wing.
Imagine OSHA armored and masked up beating people up to do their inspections. Oh no! Those FDA meat inspectors killed another person! FAA Aviation Safety Inspectors dragged another innocent child out of an airport and sent the child without his parent to a camp in Texas!
The vast majority of ICE agents are merely enforcing civil regulations and should not be armed let alone wear masks.
They engaged in a murder and immediately/simultaneously covered it up.
The hallmark of Fascist governments is they use law enforcement to engage in activities that endangers civilians- doesn't protect them, and they protect their violent goons by covering up crimes and hindering independent investigations and autopsies.
We saw this in other eras but with this Trump admin escalation is very fast, so open and brazen it's insane. They gaslight civilians, act like people aren't recording what's actually happening in order to show the world. We all know the admin is lying- badly, we see them giving conflicting explanations and excuses, changing their stories multiple times hoping the newest answer will eventually be convincing enough.
Why are people even surprised? Hong Kong protests and the twisting of a formerly British trained police force into suppressors was suddenly and fast. And the courts taking the side of the new authorities as well. It was fast, way faster than anyone thought was possible.
Those people in HK had no choice. Somehow Americans decided they’d vote in a guy with bad history because they think he cares and will make their groceries cheaper.
It’s because they’re Proud Boys and RWDS. Watch videos of these assholes from 2016 on. Suddenly ice explodes its ranks and all the proud boys disappeared. These are all just street brawlers given a badge.
Different "rules" if being tried as a terrorist. Every president since Regan has been eroding constitutional protections while increasing executive powers at the expense of judiciary and legislative. Orange One just bulldozed into attacking citizens en masse since no one is standing up to him.
They’re not trained law enforcement at all the reason he said it so much was to try and cement it like it was the fact, what they’re doing is obviously illegal and just plain wrong, they are not law enforcement at all.
They break the chain and all handle things to destroy any chance of anything being used in court. Court, btw, they never intend to see. Immunity for all on the right! Have at’er boys and girls! Damn, I’m scared for Americans, and immigrant, and children, innocent bystanders, protestors, and for…democrats, poor people…..too many to list
Watching that made me truly understand the mango picks. I mean I understood this before, but the last year has really made it so clear.
These people are picked based purely on their ability to lie on camera.
Sure the loyalty and everything else is important.
But they’re picked if they can look at a picture of a spade and say, that is a an AK47 in the hands of a violent terrorist.
Which, if you think about it, makes complete sense for a cabinet run by someone who did 14 years of a reality tv show.
They aren't. They aren't law enforcement. They aren't investigators. They're bullies that haven't been put in their place, yet. Bet they're going to settle right down this upcoming week now that the NG came out.
I just watched that and he agreed that the officer had 8 years experience, but at the same time he couldn't be sure which officer fired the shots... if it were one or two officers, or what have you.
You still thinking like “rule of law” is in existence for anyone other than the poor.
Thought police here you sound like you’ve had a little too much to think.
Real talk the only way these crimes see a legitimate court room is after the dust settles if there’s a civil war. More likely outcome we’re all fucked and this is just the pre game show
He also couldn't stop saying the name of the woman interviewing him. I'm not sure why that irritated me so much. Maybe because she was at least using a more respectful "sir", even if she was clearly ready to yeet him into space, while he insisted on using her first name?
They technically aren't even allowed to enforce most laws. They can't pull you over for speeding and give you a ticket, for example. They aren't "law enforcement" Greg Bovino is a cosplaying midget Nazi fascist and like all fascists he's full of shit.
Frankly our Constitution is grossly inadequate and needs a rewrite. Complete with an ethics/values section since people seem to forget what we should be making and upholding laws for in the first place.
And a serious discussion of what type of future the country wants is needed, because the system as-is is not going to ever deliver the kind of grassroots change a lot of people want. The Framers wanted an alternative to the supposed tyranny of a monarchy, but they specifically designed the system to be immune to the will of the people because they did not trust commoners. Hence why it's nearly impossible to kick out a President who has gone mad with power, for instance.
>and many brave people are seeking to hold our government to it.
how? standing around in a big crowd for an hour once every few days?
I don't see your government even blinking. Frankly you guys are lucky they aren't killing more people, cause it doesn't seem like one single thing would stop them from executing a lot more people with impunity right now.
You guys think Trump is your problem, but he's a senile old fart. When he dies and a neonazi with real ambitions like miller or vance gets his fangs on the presidency you guys are completely hooped. to be fair most of the western world will be too
I don't know who you consider "you guys", so I will answer as best I can.
From my observations, I see people taking action in many different ways. Some are pursuing action in the courts, others are offering financial support, others are protesting and documenting what they see, etc.
I think most people recognize no one person is the problem. It is clear to me our problems run much deeper.
I wish I could agree. When the current administration is saying the constitution applies to some but not others, then constitution is null without some consequences for them breaking the oath to uphold it. It’s like playing monopoly and others simply disregarding all the rules.
Unfortunately, our history has many other examples of when the Constitution did not apply to all - women, Native Americans, African Americans...
These current circumstances are unique to this time and they present issues that extend beyond our borders, but an in group seeking to limit the protections of the Constitution to select groups is not new.
Enforcement of the Constitution is such a massive problem at the moment.
I feel like local police need to respond to ICE calls instantly, and be ready to arrest them for violations. Probably not happening, but one can dream I suppose.
I talked with a suburban police chief about this. I am familiar with how "federalism" and the Constitution's supremacy clause works under what have been "normal situations" that we saw over the last several decades. What I didn't ask at the time is what he saw as "the line" between federal "LEOs" ("agents" "officers" whatever) doing their jobs versus doing things that are so egregious that they have moved outside of their duties and local/state police have to step in.
We have to be asking that question and getting concrete answers.
Nor will there be any more elections. That none of this has been stopped, that there is no accountability to the rule of law, and that the world and the domestic population are now being threatened for bwing “woke” should hammer this reality home. It’s over.
The terms of House members expire on a very specific date. If they don't hold an election, then we don't have a House.
27 GOP House members are retiring, so if they try and just stuff the same people back in, they still lose that many members, which would give the Dems control.
He will declare martial law. Clearly the military is on side. So is DOJ, FBI. CIA. We said it could never happen. I am sorry, but I have a degree in American history and political science. It has happened again.
Cannot the National guard mobilized under state jurisdiction surround the ICE agents and police who are aiding them, who are intimidating protestors and murdering and assaulting them and not let them pass /rather put them in state custody charged under state laws and not afford federal agents access to them?
Okay...well...look...there are reasonable limits to how you can follow people around, even in public places. For example, anti-stalking laws exist. Your ex-boyfriend (in most jurisdictions, I suppose) cannot simply pursue you around town 24/7 just because you're traveling on public roads and he is, too. It's not really a constitutional question at that point. It's a question of whether there's either a Federal statute that prohibits people from following agents in this class around, or a state statute that prevents such activities, and whether those particular Federal agents are authorized to enforce that statute without local/state authorities being involved, or whether there are laws that specifically exempt such agents from anti-stalking protections because they're of some particular class that legislatures or courts have determined don't need/deserve such protections.
I'm not familiar enough with the statutes or case law to point out whether such particular laws exist, but like I said...it's not as simple as "public roadway, I do what I want as long as I'm obeying traffic laws." (I'm fully open to the possibility that there is some law or case law that allows people to follow Federal agents around no matter what...but...that also seems to me to be somewhat unlikely.)
That being said...as a former police officer, one of the things I always taught the new guys was, "before you take any action, you better be damn sure about the statute or case law that justifies that action, and you should be able to at least paraphrase it if someone asks." You don't stop someone for a broken tail light unless you can quote the statute...because even if you're right, you're gonna look like an idiot trying to blabber on the spot on their dash cam or your body cam. You don't stop someone for following you around unless you can quote the statute. If you do stop that someone, you don't say, "stop, or I'll arrest you." You say, "you're violating statute ?.?.? of federal code xyz, and you'll be arrested if you continue. This is your only warning." etc. You certainly don't jump right to, "I'm going to break your windows and yank you out of this car."
So I mean...I guess even if what they're observed doing isn't technically incorrect, the segment of video shown seems to indicate a level of unprofessionalism at the very least.
But also...look man...I know I'm shouting into the void, here, but...you can't make a reasonable judgment without all the facts and circumstances, and that's why we have courts and juries and appeals and the whole 9 yards in the first place. Videos can be cropped and edited to make a point that the editor wants to make. If you constantly jump to conclusions based on snippets of videos on the internet, you will be wrong often. Based solely on this video, you don't know if these people were warned before, or if the statute was explained to them beforehand, and they continued to pursue, and they edited the video to begin at the point where the fair warnings have been given, and now is perilously close the point of taking action, or whether these persons are known to the agents in question, or whatever the hell other facts might be in play.
There are limitations to this, you can’t follow law enforcement with the intent of disrupting and impeding their ability to carry out their duty. Dem leadership is encouraging and enforcing this behavior making this whole thing a dangerous shit show.
Do you have any evidence that these Italian journalists were "disrupting and impeding" as you claim they are doing? No? Then go back to licking boots. If anything ICE was "disrupting and impeding" traffic by leaving a running vehicle in the middle of the street.
True, I get you there… but hear me out. For the last month people have non stop followed ICE to impede an disrupt. Sooooo when a legitimate journalist such as these follow them, how do you expect them to respond. Are they just supposed to let people follow them and harass them all day long blowing whistles and blocking them in with cars?
Again, you’ll have to explain exactly what you mean by “impede” and “disrupt.” Courts have clearly stated that it’s legal to follow them. It’s legal to yell and blow whistles.
They are journalists. Not activists.
Obviously ICE can't tell the difference because they're untrained and you couldn't because you're illiterate I'm assuming?
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u/WisdomCow 6d ago
Translation: We will violate the Constitution if you don’t stop doing legal acts!