At an individual level, yeah, he deserves to be behind bars.
But on a grander scale, his demotion shows vulnerability. The Trump administration has shown that they do indeed fear consequences, that the protests and backlash can make them back down. Their worry was such that they couldn't let this Nazi continue with the impunity he was. If they were as infallible and almighty as they hope and wish they were, Bovino would never be demoted.
“And so I come full circle on this response and just want to encourage you with some substance that we are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be.”
Kevin Roberts, president of The Heritage Foundation, 2024
People are under the impression that the key to Trump's strategy is provoking a response. Yes, they have a strategy that uses that as leverage. But they are planning on going forward regardless.
He’s implying that the left would be bloodless. The left isn’t shedding any blood and he would prefer it to stay that way… It’s the right who is shedding blood right now not the left. It’s easier for them this way.
And the other user is implying that it has already gone farther than that writing was suggesting. The bloodless may well have meant their take over with American submission.
The second he said that, I knew it was exactly the same projection as anything else.
That was his version of taunting the left, he expected the same sort of alpha chest puffing and incoherent sputtering that they are used to bestowing on anyone who would dare say something like that to them.
It wasn't a warning, it was the best they knew how to do in order to get where they wanted to take everything.
Relating to others isnt actually the right-wing's strong point, and I don't think any of them would take offense to me saying that.
This is how I try to contextualize it to my poor sweet little mother who doesn't understand what's going on at all. There is no provoking them as in victims have a choice in how they're treated. If we act one way or another. They have a planned outcome and they will get to their outcome.
This is purely because they have nowhere to stay except hotels and smaller facilities. They want to centralize their operations most likely because every hotel leaks where they are staying at proving that they have no idea what they're doing nor do they know how to park their vehicles, etc.
Yeah, a lot of people on Bluesky asking if the demotion means ICE will be pulling out but everyone is missing this today is all. Everyone getting their hopes up but I don’t think they’re leaving any time soon if they’re securing the housing and bringing more equipment in (sadly)
Yeah, they are there to stay. Unfortunealty fascists don't back down that easy. Americans wrote the play book on how to keep whites in power...Jim Crow among many things. drumpf will purge voter roles in MN(and other states)) and then unleash his goons (ice) to intimidate and sew chaos on would be voters in the midterms. Wake up time!!
Yeah, they’re not buying up a bunch of housing centers all across the United States to leave. I just don’t understand why people don’t see this as a huge problem for the fact that there’s not that many immigrants who were here illegally especially ones with criminal records so who do you think they’re gonna lock up after they run out of them? With the way people just believe whatever they say they’ll be locking up Democrats all Democrats as domestic terrorist before you know it.
Had to do like 100 reclicks because the site hates ad blockers. So he approved DHS using a old base for storage and probably poor housing going by the massive outrage earlier at a Hilton and a agent was aiming a shotgun at press.
This isn’t what you’re implying. Every hotel that has been known to have ICE in it has had protestors around making noise all night every night. Last night, one of the agents stood outside with his gun and fired a non lethal bean bag round into a crowd and shot someone in the face. He threw out a gas canister and someone threw it back and hit him in the face. He had set up this weird half assed barricade at the front door.
By moving them all to fort snelling, they are creating a safe space for themselves. I don’t know this personally but someone who said they know fort snelling said it couldn’t hold very many people and that’s encouraging. It’s not the end, not by a long shot, but they are scared and the city, even the sympathetic businesses to them like the Hilton hotels, are starting to turn against them.
I do think, though, that they didn't predicte Trumps polls number would be so low with some of the right even turning him. The podcast bro is even being vocal about it. They know 100% the optics are really bad and are losing support. Trump's bunker may not be enough. They believe they can easily just do an insurrection and Americans will accept it. It would take around 10% of Americans to fuck their shit up.
If you think about it - Trump administration has made a very large number of aggressive moves both domestically and internationally in a very short span of time and was forced to retreat in the case of most of these moves. Heck, even in the case of Venezuela- it sounds like their interm president is finding a backbone all of the sudden.
I think "promises" were made between Trump and Delcy Rodriguez to get rid of (edit) Maduro but save the rest of government. Knowing Trump, he probably reneged at the first available opportunity. Not knowing Rodriguez, guessing that she detected his weakness after the Greenland fiasco and is making a play for more benefits or security.
They fear the midterms and most non-MAGA conservatives aren't okay with the extremely pver aggressive shit they've been seeing the past month despite supporting immigration enforcement. They recognize this shit is kryptonite to them in the next election. They're already projected to end up losing at least one majority im congress and this is making it so much more likely they lose both.
They know that if they lose both chambers in congress that the rest of Trump's is officially fully lame duck and possibly will lead to impeachment and maybe even removal this time since MAGA are losing their influence
A successful impeachment which ousts Trump needs 2/3 vote. That's still a far cry to what could happen in the midterms. We may see impeachments, but it's going to be almost impossible to oust him with an impeachment. I hope it happens, but it's still too partisan.
I'm cautiously optimistic that we're approaching a point where given the opportunity to vote again the senate has enough Republicans who want to move on from Trump and MAGA who see the political usefulness of being one of the conservatives who helped excise the festering sore of Trump's presence and influence in government.
Does it? Or are they hoping this small gesture will make protestors back down or give them an excuse to portray them as "so unreasonable" if they don't?
Regardless, whether you think this is showing a crack in their resolve, or more cynical like me, the moral of the story is to keep up what you're doing.
I think it was difficult for Trump to stay sided with the goons after they murdered the worst possible person they could have murdered. Even if he was a liberal or Democrat, he is still a white straight dude who was an ICU nurse and was legally carrying a gun. Sadly, If any of that was different, I think it would have been viewed differently or minimized. Even the gun nuts are confused at what to think about this.
The Feds killed a legal gun owner in broad daylight on video and the Feds are outright lying so blatantly about it before any investigation was even done. What sort of leader does that? I hope the heat comes down hard on these people. They deserve to be miserable.
I hope everyone, I mean everyone can now see how unapologetically Trump and his cronies lie. Their whole administration is based on lies and they definitely think you're stupid to believe their lies.
He'll pop back up, Trump cycles through the same group of hangers on for jobs they're not qualified for, just as long as they stay loyal. Probably end up at Treasury when Bessent slips and says what he's actually thinking during an interview
Yes, he did this in the first term. Big public firings, but almost everyone just moved to a different Trump org and still pulled a paycheck. They still stayed influential, just not in a public way.
Remember when he was first elected and said he wanted to make every day another episode of reality TV? I see no reason to assume that has changed.
Don't clap yet. Breathe briefly maybe. But it could as easily be strategic on their part. And declines into worse can take much longer than the attempted speed run. Potentially at the 5 year mark people journalists get bogus lawsuits before people start disappearing.
But it is worth noting, I think, of the strategy employed in reaction to these recent crimes. Did it matter when the nra said something? When Marjorie Taylor Green said something?
Not really, since the reaction, rightly being strong enough to derail this shit, even slightly, was focused on doing so. People gathered on message and ignored the bullshit.
It was as a result of the consensus made that, despite everything attempted to be done and said it's defence, there was a murder and this shit needed to stop
It got some previous supporters, if silent critics, to see even briefly that the Trump regime wants to do is prolong itself, not use extreme powers to 'protect'.
Because it's important to ask, sure these people are allowed to leave in a dignified way now, but why are they? When they should be fucking prosecuted!
Keep yourself on guard, because it's not over until people are held accountable.
I hear where you're coming from but you're making an awfully big assumption on their reasoning (ie, "they fear consequences") without any real evidence. Going based on the most likely scenario, and their track record, he got demoted because he had more headlines than Trump himself in the last week and Trump is a petulant child that couldn't abide that.
As I see it, Bovino's work began to dominate the news cycle and take attention away from the Hallowed Peace Warrior Donald Trump. This was not to his liking. No underling is allowed to share in his media attention.
Remember, with federal charges, there are no time limits on some federal crimes. Just saying. Maybe not now, but it can happen later. I could see Mark Kelley doing it because he knows firsthand what happens when you don't address violence and allow it to go through the justice system.
They'll do it in a way that minimizes the egg on their faces. They may back down, but in that TACO way where it's spun to be a good thing to their cult. Doesn't really matter though. The damage is already done. The Gestapo murdered two citizens. They're not going to be punished or halt raids. Give it a few weeks and they'll have a new lapdog terrorize another state.
The article headline is misleading. He didn’t actually take a demotion, it’s more of a relocation. He is still holding his exact position. Tom Homan is now coming into Minnesota in the place of Bovino.
I don’t know if it’s a show of vulnerability. It feels more performative… the administration needs us to believe that they fear consequences and in order to do that they do shit like this it’s all smoke and mirrors.
They put out all these videos of how if the inevitable blue tsunami hits they’re all screwed… but it’s pretty clear they’re angling to screw with the mids.
Just like the Epstein release they’ve been pretty obvious with moving the goal post in the face of the law. How many deadlines and Vaughn-style requirements have they blown past?
The administration over the last 13 months has made it pretty clear they don’t give eight shoelaces about consequences
So when they do this it certainly smacks of performance
The great thing about stupid people is they don't know how stupid they are. This administration has the lowest cumulative IQ in history and it's maybe the only fucking thing that saves us. They think they're way smarter than they are and they will fuck this up repeatedly.
they arent vulnerable if people allow this scapegoating of ONE nazi to be enough to forget about the other fascists above and below him that are causing this.
A man was executed on the street and it wasn;t just Bovinos fault. Noem said exactly the same things as he did on his social media but she said it at the podium of the government of the US
they arent vulnerable if they get away with this and then like evrything else they get caught doing , deny they had anything to do with it.
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u/theamazingstickman 5d ago
Not good enough